Why in the name of all that is holy do people like Guided by Voices?

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it surprised me too -- i thought the 1929 album (which was good) was going to be the last release.

jack cole (jackcole), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 22:47 (twenty years ago) link

maybe he still needs to make house payments.

hstencil, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 22:51 (twenty years ago) link

"If We Wait" is one of the best GBV songs ever, I'm totally shocked that it's not on the greatest hits record.

I guess Matador considers Sunfish Holy Breakfast a mini-album. I guess they want to keep that record in print - the songs on the collected ep/b-sides disc are all from releases which were either compilations or have since been deleted.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 23:04 (twenty years ago) link

i will reiterate that i was very disappointed that the peripheral labels that released sprout-era GBV were not represented on the box set.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 23:40 (twenty years ago) link

and that i 100% agree with fact checking cuz "sprout foil" post above, are you my sister?

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 23:41 (twenty years ago) link

i must make my own CDR of those EPs one of these days. that period coincided with my getting into GbV so of course i have them all

the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 23:46 (twenty years ago) link

gygax - unless there are some things about me and my family that mom never told me, i'm reasonably sure i'm not your sister.

about "if we wait" - i'm not sure what the ownership situation is with that one, but it wasn't originally released on matador. long before "sunfish holy breakfast" it was released on an anyway records 7-inch. so that may be why it's not on the box. or maybe it's because pollard, as i've long suspected, considers it one of his "pussy" songs, kind of like "hold on hope."

and about pollard's drinking - oy! the man is not a pretty sight when drunk, on or off stage. it's cute for the first few beers, but then it just gets ugly.

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 6 November 2003 00:05 (twenty years ago) link

I think I read on pfork that Sprout's re-joining GBV on a few tour dates this year.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 6 November 2003 00:16 (twenty years ago) link

sprout is opening two gbv shows in chicago later this month. no one's said whether he'll be playing *with* them also.

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 6 November 2003 00:22 (twenty years ago) link

Cuz - I think you're right about Pollard not liking "If We Wait." It's a shame, because I think it is the closest he comes to channeling the pure essence of Beatles-era McCartney.

Gygax, how is the cd of unreleased material? You know, the one with "Back To Saturn X" on it.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 6 November 2003 00:24 (twenty years ago) link

funny, i've always heard "if we wait" as a direct homage to beatles-era lennon. i mean it's pretty much a straight rip of lennon's "this boy," innit?

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 6 November 2003 00:28 (twenty years ago) link

FCC: You're probably right about "If We Wait" i/r/t its non-appearance on the Greatest Hits set.

Also agreed about the drinking. I've walked out in the middle of two Bee Thousand/Alien Lanes-era GBV concerts because the beers just made Pollard frenetically non-involved with the audience; he just danced and high-kicked around, seemingly oblivious to the fact that, you know, there were other people in the room watching him. It was downright creepy and weird. (Maybe in spite of all appearances, he's got terrible stage-fright, and he uses the alcohol to anesthetize the fear?)

Plus, the motherfucker threw several FULL beer bottles far into a crowd full of not just rockarolla teens but families with strollers and old people when I saw them play for free at Central Park Summerstage circa Mag Earwig!

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 6 November 2003 00:30 (twenty years ago) link

MP-

i didn't bring it with me, i just brought the best of/EP-comp 2xCD pack to work today... but my CD player is jacked so it's gonna have to wait until tonight/tomorrow.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 6 November 2003 00:39 (twenty years ago) link

Sprout is just the opening act for the shows. They said he definitely WON'T be playing with the band.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 6 November 2003 00:39 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, FCC said as much. My bad.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 6 November 2003 00:39 (twenty years ago) link

Sunfish Holy Breakfast may not be in the box because of space concerns. The EPs/b-sides disc is already 35 songs long and probably near capacity.

Either way, Sunfish is easily available on CD. The EPs disc is largely devoted to the previously vinyl-only or Euro/Japanese-only.

Unum, Thursday, 6 November 2003 00:41 (twenty years ago) link

well let's see 6 songs in... waded through crap versions of "motor away", "game of pricks", "my valuable hunting knife", a couple tracks i regret listening to already (esp. #6 here)....

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 6 November 2003 03:53 (twenty years ago) link

some smartass should ask matador why they didn't include the NRSK cover (very nerdy indie rock joke ca. 1995)...

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 6 November 2003 03:54 (twenty years ago) link

less a joke than a mispress... things improve immensely on #s 7 & 8 here... "dodging invisible rays" is tobin's finest song... tommy keene with flying nun guitars.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 6 November 2003 03:56 (twenty years ago) link

i like the NRSK cover. i was rather pleased to find i had the mispress

the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 6 November 2003 04:02 (twenty years ago) link

it's raw albini action. at first i was like, why the fuck would this band rip off such a lesser contemporary and pass it off as their own?

man, there are so many gbv EPs from 1993-1994 that should have been on this boxset that i thought i was getting. i guess i have to wait for another box set.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 6 November 2003 04:07 (twenty years ago) link

i guess i have to wait for another box set

at their current pace, another box set is due in, oh, december.

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 6 November 2003 06:22 (twenty years ago) link

ALL O' Y'ALL KIN BIGHT ME!!

K. I just bought the Watch Me Jumpstart DVD. It made me do the twist, like HARDCORE (UFOs). Yes, I got teary-eyed, I laughed, I farted, the kit. Even the mosquito now stuck on my screen was fluttering with delight, in ecstasy before an early demise. It was righteous, it was glorious. Yes, I am a disgustingly earnest GBV fan. Yes, we need more "lo-fi Bizzeatles", unfulfilling orgies, doublespeak, or whatever the shit gets you going raw like a mutherfock. GUIDED BY VOICES buys you all lunch AND dinner, fokkerz!!!

G-B-V! G-B-V! G-B-V! G-B-V! G-B-V! G-B-V!
ad infinitum and such

PS- I've only watched the music vids so far.


Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Saturday, 8 November 2003 00:14 (twenty years ago) link

SUFFER BIG CHILDREN! How do you like them apples?!

"You can't lie to yourself that it's the chance of a lifetime
You can be anyone they told you to
You can belittle every little voice that told you so"

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Saturday, 8 November 2003 00:29 (twenty years ago) link

ok. I'll just join for a second with one of those old school medleys they used to put on albums

it's another busy day for the cut out witch MOST OF US ARE QUITE PLEASED WITH THE SAME OLD SONG didididididid KICKER OF ELVES! I've got BULLLLLDOOOOGG SKIIIIIN I am Tree yeaahhh *guitar riff* alright look out! *more guitar riff* which I search and choose to abuse so just UNLOCK MY MIND yeah just UNLOCK MY MIND Little whirl nahanahnnahhhnahnah SOMETIMES I GET THE FEELING THAT YOU DON'T WANT ME AROUUUUNNND it's like SOUUUULLLL MMAAANNN could this be a braaaand new loowww OH YEAH I'M GOING TO DRIVE MY CAR OH YEAH I'M GOING TO GO REAL FAR stand on the edge of the ledge! jump off cuz nobody cares! glaaaad girls! always wanna get you higgghh SOMEONE TELL ME WHY SOMEONE TELL ME WHY with surgical focus (yeah yeah) with surgical focus THE MAN CALLED AEEEERRROODYNAMICS! promise to leave you promise to lead you PROMISE TO LEAVE YOU ...with a simple hello...I will be eternally hateful HOT FREAKS! HOOOOOTTT FREEAKS! Jane of the waking universe! Until you injure me again WITH MYYYY VALUABLE HUNTING KNIFE! Pass the word the chicks are back the chick ARE back yeah the chicks are back! THE CHANDELIER IS SPIIIINNNING SHAKING! Blimps go 90 you can't find me....crying my life away CHASING HEATHER CRAZY!!!!

Whew. that was fun. If anybody needs a singer for a GBV cover band let me know.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 8 November 2003 00:37 (twenty years ago) link

Wow - Anthony wins.

Broheems (diamond), Saturday, 8 November 2003 00:52 (twenty years ago) link

miccio, you don't get to be robert pollard 'cause you didn't sing about the "giggling faggots."

Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 8 November 2003 03:24 (twenty years ago) link

All of the '93-'94 EPs are in print have seen reissue in recent years.

There's the aforementioned EP on Siltbreeze which was just reissued last summer (with some live bonus tracks). 'Fast Japanese Spin Cycle' was reissued earlier this year.

'Static Airplane Jive' and 'Clown Prince of the Menthol Trailer' were put on CD about 4 years ago on the Recordhead label (run by Luna Records, a big GbV-boosting record store owned by a longtime friend of the band).

Howard Hesseman, Saturday, 8 November 2003 04:44 (twenty years ago) link

I freaking love "Uncle Dave" from the Grifters split 7", which as far as I know has never been reissued...

Douglas (Douglas), Saturday, 8 November 2003 06:10 (twenty years ago) link

A few things...

Their cover of "The Opposing Engineer (Sleeps Alone)" is actually better than the original by New Radiant Storm King...and come to think of it, Small Factory's NRSK cover ("Happy for the First Time in Weeks") is loads better than the original, too. WTF?

Saw the boys in Asheville last night (11/7)...
* I think I was the only sober person in the audience.
* A lot of sports enthusiasts in the audience, it seems.
* Forgot about the "beer flinging" aspect of a GBV show.
* Wanted to punch about half a dozen audience members.
* Had to avoid walking through two puddles of vomit on the way to my car.

A bunch of the albums I have are spotty (except Bee Thousand, Alien Lanes)...BUT...the band seems to know which of their songs are the very best ones, since those are the ones they play live. Why not be that discriminating for their albums, then? For example, the last three songs they played were "Tractor Rape Chain," "Echos Myron," and "I Am a Scientist"...which were tremendous. I may be being unfair...actually, the new songs they played sounded pretty good (haven't heard the new album).

Ernest P. (ernestp), Sunday, 9 November 2003 05:56 (twenty years ago) link

wohoho gygax - what does "criticism of criticism should be tolerated here and if not i'm pulling a triple-Blount" mean???

cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 9 November 2003 18:47 (twenty years ago) link

anyhow matos you should listen to bee thousand again maybe and keep in mind jess' equation. let it sound mysterious to you maybe.

cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 9 November 2003 18:50 (twenty years ago) link

"pulling off a triple-blount" = ILX vacation

gygax! (gygax!), Sunday, 9 November 2003 21:21 (twenty years ago) link

*sigh* I'd hoped it was some sorta 'three ladies one hotel room' type deal

cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 9 November 2003 21:23 (twenty years ago) link

yes, the "transmission from a galaxy of space insects trying to discern human emotions via 'rock'n'roll'" factor is important

goato mountington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 9 November 2003 21:24 (twenty years ago) link

*sigh* I'd hoped it was some sorta 'three ladies one hotel room' type deal

sounds like an ILX vacation to me.

gygax! (gygax!), Sunday, 9 November 2003 21:49 (twenty years ago) link

i thought i might make a cd but have only like 5 songs i would really really want to put on it. "my thoughts are a gas" is my favorite gbv song

ron (ron), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 06:38 (twenty years ago) link

oops i already said that before ;-)

ron (ron), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 06:39 (twenty years ago) link

I don't like The Faust Tapes, either.

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 06:42 (twenty years ago) link

I thought GBV were good because their songs were a great variety of different lengths.

Isn't that enough? I also like that their songs are gesturing towards pop music, but in a really sickened, frustrated, lazy kind of way - which is exactly how I feel about pop music. Like it's not my place to be into classical music, and there's nothing for me but pop - but so much about pop sickens me that I can only regurgitate it with pain.

maryann (maryann), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 07:18 (twenty years ago) link

Maybe 'lazy' was the wrong word. I guess I meant, without committing to the whole pop struggle by buying the right gear, making connections etc.

maryann (maryann), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 07:21 (twenty years ago) link

maryann wins the prize for articulating exactly why I hate GBV better than anyone ever. congratulations!

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 07:23 (twenty years ago) link

yeah i dont think i like them anymore now

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 07:29 (twenty years ago) link

five months pass...
funny looking at this again considering Anthony's completely mistaken assertions elsewhere that I jumped into a GBV-luv thread with my posts. also I'm sorry I got so namby-pamby about it afterward, should've just stuck to my guns.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 06:58 (twenty years ago) link

Gee, that's so funny, Matos and Fiddo -- my winning ways. I think I hate GBV now too.

m-ry-nn (m-ry-nn), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 07:34 (twenty years ago) link

within your like-description lay the seeds of dislike

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 08:19 (twenty years ago) link

i never heard a GBV song until i bought Bee thousand a couple months ago. first the production bothered me, but then after the second listen, it suddenly didnt matter anymore. I'm not going to say that all the songs are good, but maybe about half the album is listenable. of those, there are maybe 5 songs which i do really like a lot. it has nothing to do with his voice or the production. it's just that those *really* little song sketches are mostly boring to me. i'd consider every track on that album to be a song sketch, but the more filled out ones like tractor rape chain, i am a scientist, queen directory, have just enough to them to make them listenable and great. in my opinion, there's a lot of potential there that for som reason pollard doesn't fully develop.

AaronK (AaronK), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 10:53 (twenty years ago) link

Plus, the motherfucker threw several FULL beer bottles far into a crowd full of not just rockarolla teens but families with strollers and old people when I saw them play for free at Central Park Summerstage circa Mag Earwig!

-- Michael Daddino (epicharmu...), November 6th, 2003.

I was at that show too, and just for the record, they were beer cans, not bottles.

57 7th (calstars), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 15:03 (twenty years ago) link

You may be right. I honestly can't remember...though I suppose bottles are easier to throw than cans. On the other hand, I throw like a girl, so what do I know?

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I was gonna say, I was at that show too and I think they were cans, and he was throwing them at people who caught them.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link


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