also ciaran clark
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 18 November 2010 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link
not forgetting titus bramble
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 18 November 2010 21:57 (thirteen years ago) link
keep away from ciaran clark ty
you'll be after the uncapped coleman next
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 November 2010 21:57 (thirteen years ago) link
lampard has not been used well by england and our other midfielders have not been up to his standard. fact
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 18 November 2010 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
also why are all the cunts we need not english
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 18 November 2010 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Lennon Huddlestone Wilshere Young Agbonlahor Walcott
add carroll as the focal point here, hell- add k davies temporarily if you like. add in a johnson, henderson and rodwell too, if they're your thing. maybe cattermole, and maybe parker temporarily.
there's a lot going on that isn't a jaded and frankly not-too-bothered g barry right now
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 November 2010 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link
have you u-turned on lampard in recent times?
got mad hopes for michael mancienne. noodle vague plz come and laugh at me
not lennon, lennon has not got enough. we don't need wingers, we need adaptive forwards, like wilshere arguably but more like players who aren't english
have always liked lampard
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 18 November 2010 22:01 (thirteen years ago) link
as a footballer
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 18 November 2010 22:02 (thirteen years ago) link
tell you what, brian, btw
if michael carrick is yr nation's idea of a 'thoughtful passing midfielder' then
a) you can't tell rabbit in headlights from 'thoughtful'
b) you have no business thinking of seedings for international tournaments.
glad on your behalf capello's stopped picking him
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 November 2010 22:02 (thirteen years ago) link
lennon back to form now, yeah, but in the season leading to the WC he was like aaron lennon with a masters in decision making and courage.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 November 2010 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link
mad hopes for mancienne- dash 'em now imo. if years of football manager have taught me anything (debatable) it's that a defender/defensive midfielder with stats above 12 for 'flair/dribble' are always unmitigated disasters
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 November 2010 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link
huddlestone hargreaves (still believe!) wilshere henderson (used properly) walcott carroll
is a possibility, ideally we'd have a good long-term replacement for hargreaves (rodwell? cattermole? lol) and who knows how good henri lansbury will be (i do, answer is 'fairly')
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 18 November 2010 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link
the henderson that played vs chelsea the other day is not the one employed to sit back and watch france pass the other day
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 18 November 2010 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link
wait double use of 'the other day' curse it all
hargreaves will never again play a run of games that merits inclusion in an england squad. henderson is still too early days to make any kind of call on, kind of like rodwell imo, but rodwell looks a very good prospect.
walcott- don't think you can include walcott but pooh-pooh lennon. they're the same player, but one runs at the goal while tripping himself up and the other runs at the corner flag. neither good enough for england, in an ideal world, because without pace they'd actually be very shit at football. go with ashley young.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 November 2010 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link
i got hope for walcott's touch and movement, lennon is just a wing-merchant who has been worked out largely
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 18 November 2010 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link
lennon's neural pathways are deep and intimidating structures, but when hes jolted out of them (as was the case for a large part of last year) he's better than walcott will ever be, i think. i don't think walcott's good enough at football to be successfully included in a team that likes to keep and pass the ball. i cant understand how he's still at arsenal, tbh.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 November 2010 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Lennon has suffered a bit from a) his injury last season and b) the emergence of Gareth Bale at the same time. Spurs players used to pass to him at every opportunity, now he barely gets the ball because it's always going out left.
Nothing about any of these future England XIs being compiled convinced me that they will have enough to compete internationally for the next ten years or so.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 18 November 2010 22:21 (thirteen years ago) link
ok well i've previously included them both in mooted england teams
fast players with great touch and adaptability would be nice. lennon needs to move to a club where 4-4-2 is not practiced
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 18 November 2010 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link
lennon needs to move to liverpool
haaaa
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 18 November 2010 22:23 (thirteen years ago) link
It's not practised at Spurs very often any more, but Lennon strikes me as a straight 4-4-2 kinda winger, not the kind that can adapt very well to being the right side of a front three. It's more likely to be Adam Johnson playing there in future.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 18 November 2010 22:23 (thirteen years ago) link
oh god yeah I forgot him, he has ability even if his movement might not be quite there
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 18 November 2010 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Also he's left-footed but whatever.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 18 November 2010 22:25 (thirteen years ago) link
that isn't so much an issue, viz. every decent european side currently playing
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 18 November 2010 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link
he's a left footer, but his main strength is shooting/crossing with inswing on that foot, so right side it is
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 November 2010 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link
lampard can play in the middle for england until the next euros imo, he's more needed than everyone thinks, but he needs good players around him - lampard, wilshere, huddlestone, hargreaves/rodwell/cattermole axis of short-passing splendour
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 18 November 2010 22:32 (thirteen years ago) link
dunno that lampard's short passing game is anything like as good as his long cunting game tbph
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 November 2010 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
thread needs pete w right now - lampard's short passing game is pretty good tbpfh
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 18 November 2010 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link
he just hasn't had people to short-pass to
perhaps lee cattermole will become the english essien
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 18 November 2010 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
pf, daswo i'm tawkinbaaaht
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 November 2010 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
dunno, even based on chelsea i don't think pass and move is his thing. he got mad defence-unlocking passes, no doubt, but not sure he's really a give-and-go type
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 November 2010 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link
he's a kinda deep-lying give-and-go initiator maybe
hmm
scholes plz be 25 again
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 18 November 2010 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
hargreaves/rodwell/cattermole axis of short-passing splendour
― nakhchivan, Friday, 19 November 2010 00:50 (thirteen years ago) link
you
― acoleuthic, Friday, 19 November 2010 00:51 (thirteen years ago) link
it's easy to snipe from the sidelines
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Friday, 19 November 2010 00:53 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean look at rafa............
nothing against hargreavres and rodwell btw
cattermole is just a cunt
― nakhchivan, Friday, 19 November 2010 00:59 (thirteen years ago) link
hargreaves snapped in half trying to pick up his injury file, let's be real
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Friday, 19 November 2010 01:01 (thirteen years ago) link
tragic story of english football is the first red card of season book....first half dozen names are usually all english
― nakhchivan, Friday, 19 November 2010 01:02 (thirteen years ago) link
is a possibility, ideally we'd have a good long-term replacement for hargreaves (rodwell? cattermole? lol)
dude i provided the lol caveat
― acoleuthic, Friday, 19 November 2010 01:05 (thirteen years ago) link
rodwell is proper player
― nakhchivan, Friday, 19 November 2010 01:07 (thirteen years ago) link
lol applied only to cattermole, do the rhetorical math
― acoleuthic, Friday, 19 November 2010 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link
well then the brackets shouldn't have been around both of em iirc
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Friday, 19 November 2010 01:10 (thirteen years ago) link
oh i understood
― nakhchivan, Friday, 19 November 2010 01:10 (thirteen years ago) link
(nakhchivan + darraghmac) / (cattermole - rodwell) = scorchedearth.jpg
― acoleuthic, Friday, 19 November 2010 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link
(Rodwell, Cattermole)lol = lol rodwell, lol cattermole
what you wanted is
rodwell, (cattermole, lol)
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Friday, 19 November 2010 01:12 (thirteen years ago) link
dammit beaten to the xp by my tardy factorisation, mrs quigley had me well spotted for a dunce in second year i fear
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Friday, 19 November 2010 01:13 (thirteen years ago) link
no, (rodwell + cattermole x lol) = rodwell + catterlol (soz for the a hoy hoy)
(rodwell + cattermole) x lol = england for the next 6 years
― acoleuthic, Friday, 19 November 2010 01:14 (thirteen years ago) link