Oink Invites

a) requested username – FL33GL3
b) first name (no surnames) - Noj
c) age - 32
d) gender - Male
e) geographic location – Grim Oop North - UK


1) Name three shared albums (+192kbps only) that others have successfully downloaded from you in the past week …Capt Beefheart - Cincinnati, 13 feb 72 / The Pop Group – We Are Time / / Air – Live Collection II - ........ I go fer lossless where possible ( FLAC) ….

2) What is rockism? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)

Rockism was/is a phrase that was used extensively by NME journalists in the mid to late eighties . Always ready to jump on a bandwagon …or saddle up the horses to make their own. It was a somewhat silly / shallow attempt to move away from the banality of the decade. Perhaps also a longing to return to the no frills edginess of the late 70’s.
Who knows …plenty of t*ss*rs like R. E*ms … P. M*rley …. sundry others …
Leapt to the barricades .....to denounce almost anything that was rock-ist.
Basically , anything that reeked of staid-ness and safety. Though there didn’t seem to be much authenticity behind this crusade. Most of these lot went on to do columns for the
Broadsheets and MOR papers …weighing up their own chances …bottling it …and
Setting themselves up fer a nice little earner courtesy of Digger M*rd*ch et al .
Worst of the bunch are the smug Gr*uniad writers ……talking trash fer the chattering class. GO FIGURE.


3) Post a link to your favorite picture of Cat Power :

http://www.sentireascoltare.com/CriticaMusicale/Monografie/catpower/cat-power-font3.jpg

Who wouldn’t want to share a cuppa with Cat ??

4) Which artist is better, Sufjan Stevens or Deerhoof? Why? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)

Couldn’t give a F*ck / am un-familiar with the artistes work . Tho’ Deerhoof is a great name …so I’ll Say DEERHOOF.

5) How many invites do you require? TWO . Tho’ I’d be happy with ONE. And now that my B/band connection is sorted ….i’ll contribute healthily – Bit like the NI contributions.

a) requested username – FL33GL3
b) first name (no surnames) - Noj
c) age - 32
d) gender - Male
e) geographic location – North of England, UK


1) Name three shared albums (+192kbps only) that others have successfully downloaded from you in the past week …Capt Beefheart - Cincinnati, 13 feb 72 / The Pop Group – We Are Time / / Air – Live Collection II - I go fer lossless where possible ( FLAC) ….

2) What is rockism? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)

Rockism was/is a phrase that was used extensively by NME journalists in the mid to late eighties . Always ready to jump on a bandwagon …or saddle up the horses to make their own. It was a somewhat silly / shallow attempt to move away from the banality of the decade. Perhaps also a longing to return to the no frills edginess of the late 70’s....
Who knows ?? ..Plenty of t*ss*rs like R. E*ms … P. M*rley …. sundry others …
Leapt to the barricades .....to denounce almost anything that was rock-ist.
Basically , anything that reeked of staid-ness and safety. Though there didn’t seem to be much authenticity to the crusade itself . Most of these lot went on to do columns for the newspapers.....
Broadsheet and MOR respectability …weighing up their own chances …bottling it …and
Setting themselves up fer a nice little earner courtesy of Digger M*rd*ch et al .
Worst of the bunch are the smug Gu*ardi*n writers ……talking trash fer the chattering class. GO FIGURE.


3) Post a link to your favorite picture of Cat Power :

http://www.sentireascoltare.com/CriticaMusicale/Monografie/catpower/cat-power-font3.jpg

Who wouldn’t want to share a cuppa with Cat ??

4) Which artist is better, Sufjan Stevens or Deerhoof? Why? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)

Couldn’t give a F*ck / am un-familiar with the artists work . Tho’ Deerhoof is a great name e…so I’ll Say DEERHOOF.

5) How many invites do you require? TWO . Tho’ I’d be happy with ONE. And now that my B/band connection is sorted ….i’ll contribute healthily – Bit like the NI contributions.

Errrrrrrrrrrrrr. .....I Fuxored up ................ thought you said ROCKIST .......tho ' my little thinkpiece is still a valid ...and solid body of work ....constructed with rigour , verve ...due process ....etc.
Fuckit ....i'm off fer a drink.. Thankyou and goodnight.

a)tobb3
b)Andreas
c)19
d)Man
e)Sverige

1.Cannibal Ox - The Cold Vein
Cage - Hell's Winter
Madlib - Shades of Blue

2. Ordet Rockism började användas i brittisk media under slutet av 1970- eller i början av 1980-talet. Vad ordet egentligen menas med är att viss typ av popmusik och vissa musikartister är mer riktig än andra. Den här så kallade mer "riktiga" popmusiken följer rock n' rollen grunder genom att använda gitarrer, bas och trummor.

Inom Rockismen finns det ett visst agg mot att använda datoriserade instrument som syntar eller hela music system uppbyggda av datorer med mjukvara för att skapa "musik". Rockismen lägger en sin tonvikt på musikern och dennes skapande av musiken. Och där producenten av musiken är den som också den som framför musiken. Detta till skilllnad från mycket av dagens massproducerade popmusik, där man hyr in en producent som enligt dagens mode gör "musik" som lägger större tonvikt i hur bra försälningssiffror albumet kommer få istället för att skapa någont genuint. Detta framförs sedan av popstjärnor som har liten påverkan i själva processen av skapandet.

Rockismen is sig är en primitiv ideologi som menar på att en gång i tiden kunde man skapa musik på riktigt och alla efterkommande har bara utnyttjat deras idéer. Denna guldera placeras oftast under 60- och 70-talet. Kritiker till Rockismen menar dock att guldåldern bara är en myt och att popmusik aldrig har varit rikigt fri från kommersialismen.

3. http://www.alwaysontherun.net/catpower4.jpg

4. Om jag skulle välja så skulle det bli Deerhof framför Sufjan Stevens. Främst på grund av att jag helt enkelt gillar Deerhofs musik mer, varför? Jo deras experimentella sätt att göra musik på har även inspirerat mig själv och mitt skapande av musik. Deras lite kaotiska musik musik är väldigt intressant att lyssna på och det faktum att ingen av dem har någon musikalisk utbildning gör dem nästan bättre. Och man vet att vad de gör kommer inifrån och inte från någon producent som står och flåsar dem i nacken. Många tror jag har svårt för deras musik eftersom den är ganska avancerad men det är just därför jag gillar dem.

5. En inbjudan:)

(tack för en andra chans!)

a) yetimike
b) Miguel
c) 38
d) Male
e) Pacific Northwest, U.S.

1) ‘Amazing Grace,’ Mississippie Fred McDowell
‘Torch of the Mystics,’ Sun City Girls
‘Cluster & Eno,’ Cluster with Brian Eno.
2) Rockism is whatever Kelefa Sanneh says it is. Rockism is not a silly subject; it is very serious. Rockism is whichever Jessica Hopper says it is. Rockism is not necessarily the opposite of Discoism. Rockism is whenever Ann Powers says it is. When Rockism wins, all of us lose. Rockism is wherever Simon Reynolds says it is. Rockism is as rockism does.
3) http://www.neatorama.com/images/2006-02/cat-piano.jpg
4) Sufjan is talented, for sure. But the dude works so hard to appear as if he just stepped out of a Wes Anderson flick it’s very tough to take him seriously. I kind of like that he’s a sort-of-Christian “rocker” who wrote a song about John Wayne Gacy that invites the listener to think of him as a human being. But fuck Gacy -- and fuck clowns! Deerhoof music bothers me in large doses but in small ones, it can be pretty amazing. I like that the group works within a framework (spazzy off-kilter math-punk) that seemed all but exhausted but isn’t the way they do it, somehow. And it’s not even so much ‘cause of their well-worn IPU cutey-pieness. I’ve yet to really “figure them out,” and hope I never do.
5) One or two, no more.

Mike, I'll approve you and give you four extra invites if you'll reconsider my Devendra Banhart 33 1/3 pitch.

Shit is freak folk yo.

sure, only -- i don't work at 33 1/3 -- i only wrote one of the books. sorry!

(and after it took me way longer than i said it would to do it i'd not say my recommendation on anything holds much water.)

a) sjfecher
b)Susan
c)25
d)Female
e)Los Angeles, CA, USA

1.
a)Gulag Orkestar - Beirut
b)Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not - Arctic Monkeys
c)The Drift - Scott Walker

2. ROCKISM - an ideology, a way of life, a religion perhaps...RockNRoll RockN? It rockin...
3.
http://stefanogiovannini.com/portfolios/catpowerpics/image-html/20-chan.html

4. In my opinion...if I could only pick one to ever listen to I would go with Sufjan Stevens - its just easier to listen to, if that makes sense...I think Deerhoof put out a braver album - I'm still getting used to their sound, and have never listened to it in one sitting - then again I don't think that I have ever listened to Sufjan Stevens' in one sitting either - I guess I'd like to see what they do next before saying one is better than the other - but I'm gonna stick with Stephen...
...my request is for one invite ??

a) requested username: Jungu217
b) first name (no surnames): Johnathon
c) age: 26
d) gender: Male
e) geographic location: Florida, USA


1) Name three shared albums (+192kbps only) that others have successfully downloaded from you in the past week: Not sure how i know if it's 192 or not but i have downloaded (Renegades, Rage against the machine). (Californiacation, Red hot chili peppers). and (From Chaos, 311).

2) What is rockism? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum): I really have never heard of this word so, for all good answers goto Wikipedia for results and they said that Rockism is Rockism is an ideology of popular music criticism, originating in the British music press in the late 1970s or early 1980s.

3) Post a link to your favorite picture of Cat Power: http://funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/1197/Cat+Commander/

4) Which artist is better, Sufjan Stevens or Deerhoof? Why? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum) : My opinion really is that I have never heard of any of those but from the responses other people gave I would say Sufjan Stevens. First because they said he was easy to listen to and I like some of that music. I know this isn't eight sentences but please I need to get in

5) How many invites do you require?: Just one.

nictric = please re-post your application, our Australian branch lost it in an office move.
jinja = APPROVED (welcome).
fat-latvian = APPROVAL PENDING; however, you must select a less offensive user name
Noj = DENIED
tobb3 = your requested user name is in use, please select a different user name
yetimike = PENDING
sjfecher = DENIED
Jungu217 = APPROVAL PENDING, please re-write your rockism essay

a) unfected
b) adam
c) 39
d) male
e) seattle, wa, usa


1) How to get pfueled: I haven't participated in a file-sharing program since the collapse of free Napster. That said, when I did participate, I'm sure I was very popular "with the ladies". Presently, you can have the Chrome Box, Tanworth In Arden and bunch of Burzum records. You know, if you want them.

2) Rockism is thought to be the mindset held by rockists. And rockists are thought to be old people who see music as something created by spontaneous generation in a drop of Jimi's leg sweat. (There's already too much thinking going on in this chain, right? I mean, it can be a problem.) Anyway, rockism must be opposed primarily because of racism, which is very bad. No, I mean it. All this is kinda funny because anxiety about rockism seems so rockist. Like how you have to be Christian in the first place to care much about opposing the church. So you think your schooling's phony? Well, it's hard not too agree...

3) Cat Power

4) I like Deerhoof a whole hell of a lot more than Mr. Stevens. Not that I don't like Illinoise or whatever. I do. But it seems like an anomaly in the Mr. Stevens catalog. All the other Mr. Stevenses are impossibly boring. And while Deerhoof do get to sound a bit samey after a while, they kick Mr. Stevens' flabby white ass around the room with the proverbial quickness. Plus, what could possibly possess you to go see Mr. Stevens live? = the horror. Whereas Deerhoof live are much better than on record (see rockism).

5) Just the one.

http://photos12.flickr.com/18794088_057f59eb5e.jpg?v=0

Yes.

Beales you are sooooo perma-banned.

I suppose that was a given going in. Still, hope springs eternal...

*sigh*

Thank you very much for the approval!
Hope I will be able to start contributing soon.

Okay - my hamster just died, Some asshole hit my car while it was parked on the street - oh, and last night I was doing laundry and I was so excited because I found a wet $20 bill in the washer I put it dryer, left it in there overnight (community laundry - this morning I figured out that the 20 I found in the wash was part of the 120 I took out of the bank and stuffed in my pocket and so looked in the dryer hoping to find the other 100 - fucking neighbors....so your rejection is just perfectly timed - at least it wasnt buzzkill -
Anyway, the hamster, the car, even the missing money - those things suck, but, I don't take them too personaly - I was the only one who answered the questions and got rejected - and there is no justice in the world - "just us" - not me - bad things always happen to good people - maybe I was just a huge asshole in a past life - anyway, I feel a little better after all this typing - I dont quite have it in me to go through the formality of answering all your oh so meaningful questions again - but I'll give you the truth this time..not that it was all bullshit - my name is susan, I fucking hate los angeles (I'm sick of ferraris, fake boobs, stupid people and constant fucking sunshine - I miss the east coast) I could care less about defining rockism - Wikipedia has it all but does that word really exist? I guess so but it will be in my vocab - I suppose its the equivalent of me saying "that rocks" - but I don't really know what that means - I'm a great scrabble player but I'm no fucking Webster Dictionary - so I bullshit - I apologize - moving on I have no favorite picture of Cat Power - Do most people have a favorite picture of anyone - I don't even have a favorite pictue of my mom - but whatever - I've even include bonus pic of fiona apple and yours truly - please no neg comments about it (dont be mean) - I just want you know the face of whom you're crushing. Moving on , I also don't care to write an essay on Deerhoof or Steven whatever his name is but I do have a CD from both artists in my itunes library and if I had to delete one I'd delete Deerhoof - Ideally I'd keep one song from each - the rest of the songs are probably taking up space that could be better utilized - but ayway, my only sincere regret is that I lied about the albums "that others have successfully downloaded from you in the past week" - and I think its an invasive question but, I guess oink can ask whatever they want - I'm a heterosexual female, I speak only one language (really) but I can say hello in several - I think yellow might be my favorite color and I'm not sure what I want to be when I grow up - I went to catholic school - I'm not a practicing catholic - I believe in something? - and I feel feel guilty eating pasta and donuts - but I think I like pasta - I'm not so sure sure about donuts - the last three CDs downloaded from me: Neil Young, Dire Straits and Alanis Morissette...I just want one invite - I won't bother you again
peace in the middle east

oh forgot the pic
[IMG]http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p11/sjfecher/us.gif[/IMG]

Fuck
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p11/sjfecher/us.gif

waited the 4-5 days after approval but haven't gotten anything...is it possible that my approval got lost like nictric's? thanks.

susan, best response yet. i would totally give you an oink invite if i could. i don't use oink, though.

i'll send you one lingy

a) nictric
b) nicholas
c) 34
d) male
e) sydney


1) Ministry of Sound Housexy, David Bowie - The Rise and fall of Ziggy, New Order - Low Life

2) What is rockism? (Rockism seems to be according to wiki and other various musical sites, essentially, the rather strong belief/mindset/attitude okay, an ideology to rock music. Disco, no, Techno, heavens no and anything technologically synthy that is void of a good old guitar or drums section, no. Maybe I - dread the thought - actually agree therefore with The Buggles on Video killed the Radio Star. Source - Slate contributor Douglas Wolk, wrote in Seattle Weekly that rockists regard rock as "normative … the standard state of popular music … to which everything else is compared, explicitly or implicitly"

Rockism is now discussed among critics as a viable way of examining of how they write their reviews and how they are absorbed into the mainstream or perceived by us, the consumers.

3) http://www.notontheguestlist.com/blog/images/notgl_cp_color.jpg

4) Which artist is better, Sufjan Stevens - his music is soft and subtle and his voice is one of those voices that makes you feel all floaty. he looks rather floaty too and i like that.

5) How many invites do you require? just one , thanks

nitric = DENIED - not enough sentances in sufjan vs. deerhoof essay.

please re-apply next year.

accepted = awesome, though, feeling rather slow and unsure as to how to actually login? should i have an email with password or something?

thanks for the invite! what is a ratio?

a) nictric
b) nicholas
c) 34
d) male
e) sydney


1) Ministry of Sound Housexy, David Bowie - The Rise and fall of Ziggy, New Order - Low Life

2) What is rockism? (Rockism seems to be according to wiki and other various musical sites, essentially, the rather strong belief/mindset/attitude okay, an ideology to rock music. Disco, no, Techno, heavens no and anything technologically synthy that is void of a good old guitar or drums section, no. Maybe I - dread the thought - actually agree therefore with The Buggles on Video killed the Radio Star. Source - Slate contributor Douglas Wolk, wrote in Seattle Weekly that rockists regard rock as "normative … the standard state of popular music … to which everything else is compared, explicitly or implicitly"

Rockism is now discussed among critics as a viable way of examining of how they write their reviews and how they are absorbed into the mainstream or perceived by us, the consumers.

3)http://www.notontheguestlist.com/blog/images/notgl_cp_color.jpg

4) Which artist is better, Sufjan Stevens - his music is soft and subtle and his voice is one of those voices that makes you feel all floaty. he looks rather floaty too and i like that as his music makes me feel like floating and riding with the wind of winter, and too expand on that which is already known, I find his musical style experimental, yet derivative of such artists as bjork or tori amos. I originally posted this application and mentioned I'd like to purchase his album, when I had enough money. His songs, especially sister winter was what grabbed me, rather than deerhoof, as they were a little too experimental for me and i already have st etienne as my experimental love. I trust that this amendment to my lost application by your Australian office will suffice for my reposted application, which posted surfjan stevens unfinished....

5) How many invites do you require? just one , please.

I see you have already begun to take advantage of our wonderful music sharing service by dowloading the Bright Eyes Box Set. Be sure to check out many of his live recording that we have available.

I just grabbed the 9/14/97 surprise show in San Diego -- IMPECCABLE!! You can truly feel where Conor's heart is on that night -- as well as the tension in the crisp autumn air!!

You know I've told all my friends that I have it -- and I'm DEFINITELY NOT SHARING. LOLOLOLOLLOL:):):):)

The sting of this rejection continues to eat away at the discarded candy-wrapper I call my heart.

So, curse you!, administrators of prank file-sharing site! Curse you for belonging to the vast and largely unfriendly Societey of the Anti-Me. Curse you and all your knock-kneed generations with the rending of garments and the gnashing of unbrushed teeth. Off-brand cosmetics in your nostrils and, forevermore, the taste of ashes in your mouths.

Etc.

a) requested username - yespleez
b) first name (no surnames) - sarah
c) age - 27
d) gender - female
e) geographic location - London, UK / NYC, USA


1) Name three shared albums (+192kbps only) that others have successfully downloaded from you in the past week :
1. Sufjan Stevens - A Sun Came 2. Hole - Pretty please ( bootleg) ....one of the best i have of them !
3. Plastikman - Nostalgik 1

2) What is rockism? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum) .

Rockism is the desire to return to the basics.
The holy trinity of guitar, drums and bass re-asserting itself at the heart of the music and its creators. A prime example would be the Stooges and in particular Iggy pop's atavistic approach to both performance and recording and life. Living the music, if you will, and the desire for authenticity. No bs approach typifies this. Female bands like Hole and L7 re-defined the male stranglehold on such things....Grrrll power asserted itself and let it be known that this was for all. Most bands when starting out had this ideal ....even early U2 were lauded for the stripped down clarity of their approach and sound. Invariably time moves on
and these band are no longer hungry or start to diversify..leaving true rock-ism behind for another generation. Not always the case but hence the search for the next new thing....with all the verve and excitement it promises.


3) Post a link to your favorite picture of Cat Power

http://www.notes.co.il/david/user/Cat%20power.jpg

4) Which artist is better, Sufjan Stevens or Deerhoof? Why? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)

Sufjan Stevens connects with me more emotionally when I feel like being reflective ...but on the whole
I'd have to say Deerhoof. Being a Hole fan also sways me towards them. Their approach is still fresh, none were trained/skilled musicians and they make decisions democratically. That has to influence the music and its intent. The foregoing of accepted song structure is exciting and challenging. Stevens is about lushness and orchestration ........Deerhoof just go for it ! Reminds me of the
original punk ideals of '76 - the spirit of '76. Satomi is waay more assured than earlier and it just feels like the whole thing is getting stronger - 'Friend Opportunity' is never far from the stereo. Gotta get all their other stuff now.

5) How many invites do you require? Just ONE. Though if I could have TWO ( one for a friend... that'd be even better., thanks)

Hi Oink Admins!

Sorry about the offensive user name, I would like to change my requested user name to recspecs. Thanks and I look forward to joining the Oink community should you allow me.

Thanks again!
-Dave

a. untilted
b. jekabs
c. 35
d. male
e. latvia

1. Maitreya Kali - Apache & Inca, This Heat - Deceit, Boris & Mitchio Kurihara - Rainbow
2. rockism is a style of music journalism and general perception of popular music. i think steve coogan in tv series "saxondale" shows a perfect example of that kind of ... thinking about things. if you think pink floyd is the last great band in the world, you most likely are "rockist", y'know. or that after sex pistols there is no future for other bands. if you are a proper rockist you should know as well that any music that is created using computer is no music whatsoever. it's synthetic crap. in other words - the beatles was the last real rockband.
3. i don't like cat power, so i don't have favorite cat power picture.
4. deerhoof. because I'm just not into stevens style of music. though I'm not into deerhoof either. but they at least make some noisy and improvised stuff (which I am quite into). and they have japanese girl. in fact i could better describe why I like black dice better than animal collective, because i know a bit more about them than about sufjan stevens or deerhoof.
5. one

Nicholas = we said next year.

Your IP now has a permanent ban placed on it.

jeek = Please re-post in Latvian.

a) BodomBass398
b) Josh
c) 19
d) Male
e) NJ, USA


1) Name three shared albums (+192kbps only) that others have successfully downloaded from you in the past week
Billy Joel- Greatest Hits Vol I, II, II
Antiflag- The Terror State
Charles Mingus- Mingus Dynasty

2) What is rockism? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)
Rockism is the idea that some music is more authentic than others. It was formed in the late 1970's in the British music press. Usually artists that write and perform their own music are considered to be authentic under the ideology of Rockism. Rockism does not like the use of technology like computer based recording studios. It places the value and authenticity in the performance of the artist. A "pop" artist that extensivly uses software instruments and music would not be considered authentic because they are not playing their own music. Typically Rockism music uses the traditional instruments found in rock: guitars, basses, and drums, although other instruments can be used also. The most important factor is that the music is generated by the artist and not the recording engineer.

3) Post a link to your favorite picture of Cat Power
Cat Power

4) Which artist is better, Sufjan Stevens or Deerhoof? Why? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)
I perfer Deerhoof because it is Alternative Rock. As a musician (I play electric guitar, and bass) I can relate more to the alternative rock style of Deerhoof than the alternative folk style of Sufjan Stevens. Deerhoof's sound is unique with every song. They always sound original whether they're playing an up-tempo song or a slow ballad. Sufjan Steven's music is slow in contrast to Deerhoof's music. Deerhoof reminds me of one of my favorite bands The Mars Volta. They have an unpredictable sound that can change in the drop of a hat, and that is what makes a great musician. While Sufjan Steven is also a good musician and I like his music, I would choose Deerhoof over Steven anyday.

5) How many invites do you require?
I only need one invite.

Thank you

The cat power link linked to the wrong picture. The right one is here

a/ keblerfalls
b/ evan
c/ 19
d/ man
e/ wash, d.c. / twin cities

1/ beauty room- beauty room, boris-pink, great lake swimmers- ongiara
2/ rockism is a self-defeating, formalist's reimagining of taste, a well-intentioned back-to-basics return to auteur authenticity that's mired in luddite-like nostalgia. like dozens of other movements within art and art-criticism (from pre-raphaelites to diy) it advocates an uncompromised truth to self as the basis for creating art, in its case, rock music. to rock, simply, one must rock their own way. it's a pretty simple doctrine by which music can be examined and something that enters a critique of every music. (Nobody likes to hear indulgent heart-on-sleeve lyrics-- when they come out false, that is.) from there, the problems with rockism just multiply, though. is an outside critic really properly situated to evaluate authenticity? and in a genre of music which openly embraces bombast, affectation and reinvention, what the hell is authentic anyway? I mean: David Bowie, Lou Reed, Sgt. Pepper's. three highschoolers or seniors tooling around in a garage may be rockistly perfect, but that's not going to ensure its place as "good rock music."
3/ http://www.tunetribe.com/assets/images/artists/artist_image_3992.bmp
4/ Well, is art for creation or for connection? that's what a Deerhoof v. Sufjan debate would come down to, I think, and for me at least it's connection. So Sufjan. I'd rather brave the bebop and saccharine knowing I'm going hear something that I actually relate to and enjoy-- and likely get sick of after a few listens-- than get mired in a marsh of impersonal, (relatively) pop-less technicality and instrumentation. But I will get sick of it. And then I will listen to Deerhoof. And it will, for a little while, sound a hundred times better.
5/ one

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Hey Confounded:

Thanks for sharing those super-super-super secret never-ever-ever going to be released Sufjan Stevens tracks remixed by Black Dice!!! I cant believe you actually have them!

wow! great site! Oink Admin cool boy!

a) requested username - JBJakub
b) first name (no surnames) - Jordan
c) age - 20
d) gender - male
e) geographic location - New York, NY and Atlanta, GA (Both US)


1) Name three shared albums (+192kbps only) that others have successfully downloaded from you in the past week

Lettuce - Outta Here
Jimi Hendrix - Electric Ladyland
Bob Dylan - New Morning

2) What is rockism? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)

Rockism is a pure way of looking at music. What I mean by that is that rockism looks down on music created with synthesizers and programs. Music (in the eyes of rockism) is a pure form of self expression - it's all about the artist (usually both the writer and performer) and the listener. Rockism appreciates original music and believes that the time for "real music" has already passed - it was back in the 60s and 70s. For Rockists, that was the golden age of music, fueled by self expression and sincerity at a time when music was truly appreciated. That is rockism.

3) Post a link to your favorite picture of Cat Power

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/melanienicholle/cat-power-font3.jpg

I know you can't see her face, but it's a great photo nonetheless.

4) Which artist is better, Sufjan Stevens or Deerhoof? Why? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)

Sufjan Stevens for a few reasons. The first reason is that I don't have much familiarity with Deerhoof. That's pretty basic, and if there are huge fans on here, I apologize in advance. Going on though, I don't think I've seen a more extravagant performance at a concert than I did when I saw Sufjan. The costumes, the atmosphere - it was all great. I'm a big proponent of live music, and Sufjan puts on a great show. To me, that makes a great artist. Also, you've gotta admit that what he's doing is pretty ambitious - trying to put out an album for every single state. That's about it.

5) How many invites do you require?

Just one!

I'm not sure I'm logged in right now, and I'm not sure how to get accepted but please e-mail me at jbjakub(at)gmail if I have been.

Thanks!

a) FruitFly
b) Mel
c) 32
d) Female
e) Cleveland, OH


1) Klaus Nomi - The Star Collection, Life Sex & Death - The Silent Majority, Nick Drake - Made to Love Magic (and that was just in the last few hours... this list could go on forever)

2) Rockism is a holier than thou sentiment expressed by those who know that some music is more real than other. The movement eschews pop music in favor of weighty stuff; stuff that matters. Because some music does matter more. Rockism is a great way to miss out on some good stuff, just because there's a synth somewhere. It gives more credence to, well, Credence than to Kylie. And there's some truth to that, but it's sad that you've never heard "Confide". What a great track. I digress.

A rockist would look through my own CD collection and be aghast at the horrors that abound in the form of cheesetastic pop, but would simultaneously be jealous of a number of the rarities of authenticity to be found.

There are days when I fully embrace rockism, yet last summer I drove 5 hours to see Tiffany perform in a gay dance club. Go figure.

3) Cat Power not looking a thing like Cat Power

4) I've been dreading getting to this question. How can I compare the two and find a reasonable explanation of why I would say one is the better artist? And even if I could, it's really just my silly little opinion isn't it? Some days I might say that Sufjan was was more likely to be on my playlist, and other days Deerhoof. Then there are days that both will be swirling around among the thousands of other possibilities, not to mention the days that I'm not in the mood for either.

In order to actually answer this question, I have to find some defining characteristic that will separate them and give one and edge over the other.

I'll go with Deerhoof. Why? Because Sufjan went and recorded that damned Christmas album. I fucking hate Christmas music. Yes, really. Far too many years working in a retail environment of one kind or another where I was forced to listen to it all over and over again. I don't care how different or how novel or how beautiful Sufjan's versions may be, I will never know. I just can't take it.

But ask me tomorrow, and the answer might be different. And honestly, I'd prefer The Geraldine Fibbers over either of them.

5) I only require the one, si'l vous plait.

here are too other user names u can try:

tobb3s
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regards

don't like any of them

a) Erty
b) Joen
c) 18
d) male
e) Sweden

1) Thrice - The Artist in the Ambulance, Timbuktu - Oberoendeframkallande, The Roots - The Tipping Point

2) Rockism is elitism. The belief that different styles of music aren't equally valid or authentic. Mainly, that rock from the 60's is the pinnacle of human musical achievement and that we've just gone downhill from there. While that might be true in a way (ugh, top40 pop...) it's mostly just stupid and close minded. The prime example of rockism these days is when dumbasses say that hiphop and edm aren't real music genres. And well... when you smoke some good weed and put on a fat hip-hop beat, you know that's just wrong. The same goes when you're trippin and stomping to some nice trance. It doesn't really matter how and when the music was made, what really matters is how it sounds here and now and how it makes you feel.
Rockism should be avoided, because you never know what you might and might not like as long as you keep an open mind and keep listening to new stuff.

3) http://www.spin.com/galleries/2003/12/12/cat_power_2.jpg

4) Honestly, I don't really enjoy either of them all that much. They're both the kind of music that I might like in some sense without really wanting to listen to them very much. That's kinda interesting actually, because there isn't that much music I relate to in that way, at least that I can think of. I guess there's just simply better, more exciting stuff out there. But I guess if I had to choose I'd say Sufjan Stevens. Because I can actually imagine situations where I'd actually want to listen to him for an extended period of time. Like, when trying to sleep or something. Though I prefer something like Sofie Zelmani for that. Anyway, he has a nice voice. Satomi Matsuzaki's voice is original and different and all that, but sadly most of all it's just annoying.

5) Just one.

Hey Confounded:

Thanks for sharing those super-super-super secret never-ever-ever going to be released Sufjan Stevens tracks remixed by Black Dice!!! I cant believe you actually have them!

i have met u on oink and i h8 u. stop steeling my traxx. u have no right to those black remixes. they r 4 elites only

re-posting in Latvian, as asked

1. Maitreya Kali - Apache & Inca, This Heat - Deceit, Boris & Mitchio Kurihara - Rainbow
2. rokisms ir veids kādā daļa žurnālistu raksta par mūziku un liela daļa publikas uztver populāru mūziku. stīvs kūgans tv seriālā "saxondale" lieliski attēlo šāda veida domāšanu par
lietām, tai skaitā mūziku. teiksim, ja tev liekas ka pink floyd ir pēdējā jēdzīgā roka banda, tu droši vari saukt sevi par "rokistu". vai ka pēc sex pistols nav nākotnes citām bandām. ja tu esi kārtīgs rokists, tad tev ir jāzin, ka jebkura mūzika, kuras radīšanā izmantots dators, nav nekāda mūzika bet sintētisks mēsls. citiem vārdiem sakot - the beatles bija pēdējā "īstā" rokbanda.
3. man diezko nepatīk cat power, tāpēc man nav mīļākās cat power fotogrāfijas.
4. deerhoof. jo mani īpaši neaizrauj sufjana stevensa mūzika. kautgan es neesmu arī milzīgs deerhoof fans, viņi vismaz improvizē un trokšņo (tās ir lietiņas kas man patīk). un viens no viņiem ir jāpāniete. īstenībā es varētu labāk aprakstīt kapēc man patīk labāk black dice nekā animal collective, jo par šiem abiem es zinu mazliet vairāk nekā par deerhoof un sufjan stevens.
5. vienu

i am sorry, re-posting once more:

1. Maitreya Kali - Apache & Inca, This Heat - Deceit, Boris & Mitchio Kurihara - Rainbow

2. rokisms ir veids kaadaa dalja žurnaalistu raksta par muuziku un liela dalja publikas uztver populaaru muuziku. stiivs kuugans tv seriaa "saxondale" lieliski atteelo shaada veida domaashanu par lietaam, tai skaitaa muuziku. teiksim, ja tev liekas ka pink floyd ir peedeejaa jeedziigaa roka banda, tu esi iists vecis, tu droši vari saukt sevi par "rokistu". vai ka peec sex pistols nav naakotnes citaam bandaam. ja tu esi kaartiigs rokists, tad tev ir jaazin, ka jebkura muuzika, kuras radiišanaa izmantots dators, nav nekaada muuzika bet sinteetisks meesls. citiem vaardiem sakot - the beatles bija peedeejaa iistaa rokbanda.

3. man diezko nepatiik cat power, taapeec man nav miiljaakaas cat power fotograafijas.

4. deerhoof. jo mani iipaši neaizrauj sufjana stevensa muuzika. kautgan es neesmu arii
milziigs deerhoof fans, vinji vismaz improvizee un trokshnjo (taa ir lietinjas kas man patiik). un viens no vinjiem ir japaaniete. iisteniibaa es vareeu labaak aprakstiit kapeec man patiik labaak black dice nekaa animal collective, jo par šiem abiem es zinu mazliet vairaak nekaa par deerhoof un sufjan stevens.

5. vienu

that's not latvian it's estonian u think u can pull shit on oink admins they can smell u a mile away

I'm a classical musician, so no rock for me.
Anyways, the last three releases:
Alfred Brendel Beethoven Sonatas CDs 1, 2, 3 (FLAC)
Berezovsky Liszt Transcendental Etudes (FLAC)
Harnoncourt Bach Brandenburg Concertos (FLAC)

a) cjustin88
b) Justin
c) 31
d) Male
e) Vancouver BC Canada

1 invite.

Thanks in advance!
I release either APE or FLAC, complete albums usually every month, when I have the bandwidth to seed more.