The Style Council: Classic or Dud?

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I'm with Dr C on this one - it's a little weird the visceral hatred that's directed at Damon Albarn/Paul Weller/Gorillaz/Toploader (half of whom I've never heard, BTW) on account of their image/personality. At least 15 people here must have said in no uncertain terms that Gorillaz is utter shit, and probably no more than one or two of those havereferred to what they SOUND like.

The Style Council... Our Favourite Shop is a pretty catchy album from beginning to end, "How She Threw It All Way" a great shoulda-been-a- hit... so, Classic.

Patrick, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Well, response was initially as I suspected - dismissive and derogatory - but over the last few replies it's got more positive. I can see what Tom meant about the Style Council being so obsessed with their consensus of cool, from the title down, that that makes them a rather strained dud, but there are enough good songs there, many of them not singles ("Headstart For Happiness", "A Casual Affair", "Party Chambers", "It Just Came To Pieces In My Hands", "Changing of the Guard") to make their clunky cod-funk ("Iwasadoledadstoyboy"),boring dinner jazz ("Dropping Bombs On The White House"), and hamfisted embracing of early UK hip-hop on the "Cost of Loving" album, seem like minor offences.

I'm not surprised at Omar's response because Weller's entire career, like The Smiths / Morrissey and the Manics, is essentially a UK phenomenon and meaningless in the US and mainland Europe (admittedly the Style Council made a few inroads into the US chart). But what I find curious about Paul Weller, and still has me baffling about the man even today, is how his self-positioning has shifted so violently from aggressively upfront, uptight very parochially-concerned young "face" (the early Jam records), to rather earnest "voice of a generation" (the late Jam records), to some kind of soul-fuelled semi- globalism (TSC), back to earnest rock sweat and irrelevance (solo). I do find it interesting how one man can promote an aspirationally cosmopolitan, culturally ambitious ethos (the naivety of TSC's suburban perception of "sophistication" is what I find charming about it), can shine so brightly and briefly, and then sink so definitively back into the mire from which he came. So the cultural ins-and-outs of Weller I find interesting more than I find most of his music, if you see what I mean.

Robin Carmody, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

My quick answer: my appreciation of music works at a sonic and a conceptual level. The bands you mention mostly = boring/drab at sonic level, and then particularly unappealing at a conceptual level. Also with all but Toploader there's massive overclaim about the merits of their music from the artist themselves, which is what rock-lovin' Americans tend to dislike about UK musicians, so why be surprised that we don't like it either? ;)

Tom, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Tom - 'cause I haven't been exposed to the overclaim in those particular cases, just the putdowns :). But yeah, good enough point there ;). The "rock-lovin' Americans" part of that sentence is funny *wonders what U.S. Jennifer Lopez fans think of big-mouthed UK artists*.

Patrick, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

But what I find curious about Paul Weller, and still has me baffling about the man even today, is how his self-positioning has shifted so violently from aggressively upfront, uptight very parochially-concerned young "face" (the early Jam records), to rather earnest "voice of a generation" (the late Jam records), to some kind of soul-fuelled semi- globalism (TSC), back to earnest rock sweat and irrelevance (solo). (Robin)

I don't see anything particularly contradictory in Weller's directional shifts. The thread that runs through the whole thing is his obsession with 'Mod' and the R&B/Soul of the 60's. It's true that he has a history of embracing fashionable styles (eg the move towards funk in the early 80's, and his conversion to House in the late 80's), but he always harnesses them to his core beliefs. I also don't think it's fair to describe his more recent stuff as 'earnest rock'. It's *intended* to be a joyous return to his roots (he's obviously a great fan of Stevie Winwood & Traffic and they weren't particularly earnest). I'm not saying that everything he's done is great, far from it, but it seems reasonably consistent to me.

David, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

David:

"It's true that he (Weller) has a history of embracing fashionable styles"

Though, on "Confessions of a Pop Group", he went with unfashionable, "timeless" MOR and light-classical styles, which make up the first side of the album which I love. While "How She Threw It All Away" and "Why I Went Missing" from the second side of the album are classic to me, other tracks are a little tepid and stuck in very dated production.

"I also don't think it's fair to describe his recent stuff as 'earnest rock'."

Just that it sounds that way to me. He's aspiring after some notional idea of "joy", but a very cliched soulman's idea, and it all sounds desperately well-meant, as though it was very unexciting and boring to record. While I can see what you mean about Weller having a consistency running through all his work, I do find quite a difference between the "embrace everything; you can have fun *and* be strongly of the left" (quite a fresh approach itself in those dour Scargillian days) ethos the Style Council communicated, and the narrow reference points and complete ideological emptiness of his solo career.

Robin Carmody, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two years pass...
What did happen to Mick Talbot? i did see a good few years back a jazz album he and steve white did. Forget the name of the bandname.
Did he actually appear on any recordings when he was in Dexy's Midnight Runners?

Rossco, Thursday, 10 July 2003 20:03 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...
I give up. I have officially lost my mind over Style Council. Everything they released prior to their first album was godhead, for one thing.

Bimble brings a lawn chair to antartica so he can sit and drink silver coff (Bim, Sunday, 22 January 2006 10:02 (eighteen years ago) link

5 Reasons to Love the Style Council:
1. Long Hot Summer is a great summer party record, one of the very finest, strangely linked in my mind with JD's Atmosphere because of those sparkly sounds.
2. 80s white soul has a bad name generally, but no-one can seriously contend that You're the Best Thing isn't gorgeous, both for the tune and the production.
3. For a run of fine singles including Shout to the Top, Walls come tumbling down (like mid-period Jam with piano replacing guitar)
4. Despite a brief flirtation with dirty mac chic, weller retained some measure of sartorial elegance
5. most women want to fuck paul weller

5 reasons to hate TSC
1. The albums, famously the later stuff
2. The cappucino kid sleevenotes
3. their attempts at 'rap', ahem
4. the jazz pretensions
5. the offshoots - especially Respond, Tracie, etc...

dr x o'skeleton, Monday, 23 January 2006 11:19 (eighteen years ago) link

second album is a sentimental favorite. somehow I scammed a free whirlwind 2-day trip to London to interview the lads. saw 'em play at a theatre in Brixton (name?). summer 1985. it was a good show, Paul Weller was great to talk with, and I even met his dad who was the group's road manager.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 23 January 2006 11:36 (eighteen years ago) link

"Shout To The Top" and "Walls" = classics!

m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 23 January 2006 11:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Style Council is far and away Paul Weller's best work.

'Curt' Russell (noodle vague), Monday, 23 January 2006 11:43 (eighteen years ago) link

i'd say classic.
not as good or 'important' as the jam, but very enjoyable.
can't understand why so many people hate them (unless they were fans of the jam, or -understandably- hate the current paul weller persona)

joan vich (joan vich), Monday, 23 January 2006 12:10 (eighteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
I really want to be in touch with people who love discussing Style Council. Please email me if necessary. Now they did some crap/boring stuff, but the amazing stuff well outweighs it.

In particular I want to discuss "Confessions Of A Pop Group". I love that album so much that I had to purchase it separately even though I already had the box set. Such an ambitious album...maybe even pretentious...it has some flaws but to me it's filled with a weighty, comforting substance. Their stab at classical music or whatever...just crazy. No one wanted it out of them, no one cared a jot, but yet...look what they did.

That said, "Life At A Top People's Health Farm" is utter crap and even Weller himself said he was unhappy with it later.

"It's A Very Deep Sea" alone should convince anyone they had something uncommonly brilliant to offer here.

Good Warlock of the West (Bimble...), Sunday, 7 January 2007 06:00 (seventeen years ago) link

And actually I shouldn't say just classical. They were going for jazz here and...I dunno what that kind of music is called. Most of it wasn't fucking pop music that's for sure.

Good Warlock of the West (Bimble...), Sunday, 7 January 2007 06:15 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

I don't know why the song Money Go Round sounds better than ever now, and I've heard it plenty of times already:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7Bq9YdDVc8

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 7 June 2008 06:26 (fifteen years ago) link

four years pass...

Listening to The Style Council's The Complete Adventures Of The Style Council box set over the last couple of days, which features all of the material released under The Style Council name throughout their career, plus the unreleased (at the time) lost 'house album'. Listening to their material in this way, I'd say their output was classic until The Cost Of Loving which (maybe 'Waiting' aside) is a massive dud, IMHO. The first side of Confessions Of A Pop Group is classic, and undoubtedly features some of the most adventurous music Weller ever made, and this includes his recent solo stuff. The second half is dud, though, as is the 'house album'.

One thing that I've noticed about The Style Council era from about 1983-1985 is that Weller has a tendency to revisit his songs quite a lot. 'The Paris Match', 'Headstart For Happiness', 'My Ever Changing Moods' to name three were recorded in one or two different arrangements and put out on different releases. Weller didn't really do this very much in either The Jam or his solo career, if at all.

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Friday, 3 August 2012 21:16 (eleven years ago) link

eight years pass...

there's a Style Council documentary on Showtime, interesting, wasn't that familiar with them

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 February 2021 02:30 (three years ago) link

Every time I dive into their catalog Weller's inability to sing his own songs distances me, but the concept -- punk rocker anticipating Swing Out Sister -- draws me back.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 February 2021 02:52 (three years ago) link

i am going to check them out, have not heard much other than an odd song that might have popped up on a spotify radio station

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 February 2021 14:42 (three years ago) link

style council on totp rapping "if you're part of the working class, this issue applies to you!" or something like that was a real "aw, bless" moment.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 19 February 2021 16:30 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

Couple songs live in Japan 1987.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G_A5Bn1Drk

Ever so classic.

get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Sunday, 27 February 2022 18:38 (two years ago) link

four months pass...

5. most women want to fuck paul weller

Not sure how well this has aged.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 1 July 2022 21:41 (one year ago) link

There would be no Monocle magazine without The Style Council.

deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Friday, 1 July 2022 22:40 (one year ago) link

As dismayed as I was by the breaking up of The Jam, the first Style Council EP was a revelation for me when it came out.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 2 July 2022 14:37 (one year ago) link

I did get to one of the last Jam gigs at Wembley Arena, it was very singalongaJam.

Yes, that first ep told me things were going to be good. Better, even.

Mark G, Wednesday, 6 July 2022 06:42 (one year ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsW27mRYjh4

"the story of someone's shoe" (1988)

i love this song. it sounds amazing, but it's absolutely disgusting.

five months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eweq1pnVOF0

wow

| (Latham Green), Monday, 19 December 2022 13:07 (one year ago) link

Weller struck me during this period as playing at leftish politics.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 19 December 2022 20:37 (one year ago) link

quite

| (Latham Green), Monday, 19 December 2022 20:54 (one year ago) link

Not a huge Weller fan, but "Boy Who Cried Wolf" is a personal favorite - so smooth. It does annoy Weller fans if you say this is the best thing he's ever done.

Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 20 December 2022 00:36 (one year ago) link

I like Down in the Seine for the utter moroseness

| (Latham Green), Tuesday, 20 December 2022 17:05 (one year ago) link


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