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and i forgot to mention that i finally heard ramleh - the recent compilation of singles and "homeless." basically they're somewhere between early skullflower and loop, mantric and repetitive but nowhere near as lacerating as the flower. worth checking out.

your null fame (yournullfame), Friday, 3 January 2003 07:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hmm... perusing this older thread I can confirm that the college radio at which I toiled in the early 90's also had a copy of 'Xaman' with the oxidizing effect, or whatever it is.

Also my copy of the Blue Orchids 'View From the City' cd comp has had a similar effect (release date unknown ? - but definitely early 90's), and others with the cd have said the same. But thankfully it still plays well.

Also, this cracked me up:

(actually, all beatles records suck even though i've only heard one).

Terrific critical acumen there.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 3 January 2003 09:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

I got 'Xaman' burned and yes, there are clicks and whatnot in the last six minutes. if you can track down the Xaman LP then you can get the non-rotten version of the last track and it will all be OK (I have not done this but i know someone who has it).

I tracked down the ramleh singles comp and I had a merry Xmas with it. quite nice but not as good as skullflower at their best.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 3 January 2003 13:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

S: LAST SHOT AT HEAVEN, IIIRD GATEKEEPER
D: ARGON

Switch back and forth on: CARVED INTO ROSES

doug (doug), Friday, 3 January 2003 20:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

not too much to add here, but IIIrd Gatekeeper was my first skullflower disc and has served me well. For my gal, Skullflower is emblematic of the worst crapnoise I listen to on a minorly regular basis.

After one adventurous day I found myself with a post-it note from myself that read "dear nick, welcome to your spine." That sums up skullflower well for me.

nick ring (nick ring), Saturday, 4 January 2003 06:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

nick- so what's the best 'crapnoise'?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 4 January 2003 15:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

two years pass...
Carved into Roses is a canonical noise album. You heard it here first.

~~~~ DODONGO DISLIKES SMOKE ~~~~ (ex machina), Sunday, 18 September 2005 23:53 (eighteen years ago) link

nine months pass...
I got me a copy of Form Destroyer today.

electro-acoustic lycanthrope (orion), Sunday, 18 June 2006 01:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Smuggo. I mean, well done.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 18 June 2006 01:52 (seventeen years ago) link

hey ny'ers...stoop/moving sale in williamsburg tomorrow at the girlfriend's house, 471 humboldt btw frost and richardson, near daddys. I've got 2 crates of records to sell/give away including some skullflower/ramleh related releases. Seriously, I've got a 90s UK hardcore type compilation I bought because it features a JFK track w/ Matthew Bower on it. Also, Ax, Ascension, etc.

(and plenty of non-skullflower)

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 18 June 2006 03:52 (seventeen years ago) link

shit, man, i wish i could. if you've got a copy of nova feedback you'd be willing to part with...

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Sunday, 18 June 2006 03:58 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, I think that's one of them. all hold onto it if you want, email me.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 18 June 2006 04:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I've got 2 crates of records to sell/give away including some skullflower/ramleh related releases.

GIMME

Q('.'Q) (eman), Sunday, 18 June 2006 17:37 (seventeen years ago) link

the stoop sale went to a)friends who stopped by, including b)eat records, and finally what didn't "move", c)academy records, where some CDs were left for Ian.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 19 June 2006 01:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Good on you, Ian. Form Destroyer is one of the greatest psych albums ever in my book, and the vinyl version is a lot better than what's on the Ruins CD. Stefan Jaworzyn left Skullflower 'cause he couldn't stand the low-fi mixes, but they suited the material better.

Someday I'll get around to writing that Skullflower discog overview...

Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 19 June 2006 13:16 (seventeen years ago) link

edward i wld v. much like to read that - GET TO IT!

what did ppl think of 'Orange Canyon Mind' - to my ears not that diff from recentish Sunroof stuff, and not as tasty as the hototogisu stuff w/ marcia b (i know el sabor will prob disagree!)

i wish Stefan was a prolific as Bower

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Monday, 19 June 2006 13:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I wrote about them here:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0424,eddy1,54363,22.html

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 19 June 2006 14:09 (seventeen years ago) link

gd pic of bower (a redundant brit writes)

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Monday, 19 June 2006 14:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Chuck, in never-failing-to-surprise-me non-shockah.

Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 19 June 2006 16:08 (seventeen years ago) link

i now have Argon

Q('.'Q) (eman), Monday, 19 June 2006 20:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Forgot to mention this invaluable source of Skullflower lore:
http://www.monotremata.com/skull/

Matt Bower and Robert Creeley, separated at birth?

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/BOWER.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/CREELEY.gif

Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 12:07 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

So anyway, Crucial Blast reissued IIIrd Gatekeeper, and while I already had it, it's nice to hear/have rip open my head again. (Also the liner notes are invaluable for providing a detailed early history of the band, and imply that more reissues are due.)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 November 2007 02:44 (sixteen years ago) link

Amazing album.

W4LTER, Thursday, 22 November 2007 10:08 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm rather fond of Obsidian Shaking Codex, myself. It hardly ever seems to get any mention, for some reason.

Michael Dudikoff presents Action Adventure Theatre, Thursday, 22 November 2007 15:15 (sixteen years ago) link

it's XAMAN for me, total mind destruction. i hope they can rescue somebody's CD for reissuing purposes at some point.

i thought i commented earlier ITT about IIIrd gatekeeper being kind of an odd choice as a reissue as it's already relatively easy to find. and i also thought i expressed some vague hope stefan jaworzyn would stop being a cock and let them reissue the early stuff.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 22 November 2007 16:06 (sixteen years ago) link

Well, it's a good gateway drug of an album, I'd say. More focused, more conventionally RAWK, and given Crucial Blast's general approach, it suits them. So why not?

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 November 2007 16:20 (sixteen years ago) link

hey, more skullflower is always better than less. i just hope it sells and they're able to do more. go, crucial blast, go.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 22 November 2007 16:25 (sixteen years ago) link

I would like to take this opportunity to thank Edward III for that Skullflower singles comp he posted a while back. Thanks!!!

sleeve, Thursday, 22 November 2007 16:27 (sixteen years ago) link

Did I miss that? Is it still around?

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 November 2007 16:29 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah was that on leonardo or something?

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 22 November 2007 16:31 (sixteen years ago) link

It was on Leonardo, I can send you an email in a week or so if it is gone.

(xpost to Ned)

sleeve, Thursday, 22 November 2007 16:32 (sixteen years ago) link

it's XAMAN for me, total mind destruction.

seconded

am0n, Thursday, 22 November 2007 17:04 (sixteen years ago) link

One of the ugliest band names ever. Just felt like getting that out of my system.

Turangalila, Thursday, 22 November 2007 18:15 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.newtrose.com/images/Gratefuldead/420703.jpg

am0n, Thursday, 22 November 2007 18:20 (sixteen years ago) link

xpost - no way. brilliant name. suits them to a T.

Mr. Hal Jam, Thursday, 22 November 2007 18:20 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, I've always thought it was a very extremely awesome name.

W4LTER, Thursday, 22 November 2007 23:12 (sixteen years ago) link

you are welcome sleeve, glad you dug it...

for those who missed it's like scraping resin canyon

Edward III, Sunday, 25 November 2007 03:04 (sixteen years ago) link

thanks!!!!!!!

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Sunday, 25 November 2007 09:09 (sixteen years ago) link

Agreed!

Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 November 2007 02:07 (sixteen years ago) link

Thx for posting links to those interviews. I've liked Skullflower for years but never researched them at all. Im particularly fond of Xaman.

Ulysses, Monday, 26 November 2007 15:31 (sixteen years ago) link

five months pass...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmHdmvJ_aX8

am0n, Thursday, 8 May 2008 16:43 (fifteen years ago) link

YEAH

RabiesAngentleman, Thursday, 8 May 2008 16:52 (fifteen years ago) link

Kewl. But I admit I was hoping for a 1991-era clip or something similar!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 May 2008 16:57 (fifteen years ago) link

kewl?

ian, Thursday, 8 May 2008 17:00 (fifteen years ago) link

1991 talk on my part, clearly.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 May 2008 17:02 (fifteen years ago) link

awww, whadda drag. would anyone mind re-upping that singles comp? I'd love to hear it.

original bgm, Thursday, 8 May 2008 18:50 (fifteen years ago) link

Theres a new one out. I forget the name of it but I saw it floating around the WNYU studio... Will post when I figure it out.

jonathan - stl, Friday, 9 May 2008 06:26 (fifteen years ago) link

Its called "Desire For A Holy War," out on Utech. The song "Frozen Spectres" is pretty cool.

jonathan - stl, Friday, 9 May 2008 06:32 (fifteen years ago) link

I was at the Skullflower gig - Bower started the performance 'singing' from inside a big sack-like blanket, for reasons that I'm afraid escaped me

Ward Fowler, Friday, 9 May 2008 09:07 (fifteen years ago) link

there's also ANOTHER new skullflower. "pure imperial reform."

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Friday, 9 May 2008 10:10 (fifteen years ago) link

np

tl;dr fun fact: matt bower played drums on "elephant's graveyard"

a hard dom is good to find (Edward III), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 20:45 (ten years ago) link

I noticed that!

money, chicken and other DNA (sleeve), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 20:56 (ten years ago) link

We've also had a mutant called JFK on bass on the two above tracks. The stuff he played was real good but he's not the kind of person you really want to have to look at or converse with

jfk rfi

ṿῗᾄǤℝᾄ (am0n), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 21:18 (ten years ago) link

JFK was an alias of anthony difranco, he was the bassist on IIIrd gatekeeper

lot of shots fired in that interview lol

a hard dom is good to find (Edward III), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 22:11 (ten years ago) link

Thanks for pulling out the other interview.

He has a mixed relationship w/publicity. Wantng Skullflower as a group to be known a bit more, gain a visibility - at fanzine level, rather than getting to the mainstream music press - but then after splitting away not ever having a web presence at all, and he is fairly hostile to anything web (eBay etc.)

For a group that sounded quite improvised its surprising how far between their live appearances were. And its a bit of an untold tale how he got to acquire 'notes'. His work with Ascension etc isn't texturey at all. Look at Jason Pierce's attempts at imrpov by comparison. SJ really absorbed the free stuff he was listening to.

Shame that Borbetomagus comp never came to be. The Dead C comp issued on Shock is one of my favourites in a very underrated calatogue.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 22:30 (ten years ago) link

lot of shots fired in that interview lol

Yeah, kinda fashionable at the time to take pops at Mike McG iirc, which always seemed like some bullshit to me.

gotta lol geir (NickB), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 22:35 (ten years ago) link

I never dug the Ascension stuff as much as Skullflower, but SJ did an awesome interview in Marc Master's Crank Automotive zine that was big reading for me in college. Same issue had an equally epic Richard Youngs interview.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 04:17 (ten years ago) link

Stefan used to be a regular punter at the bookshop where I worked, and was always a really sociable dude (I'm not sure the humour behind a lot of his opinions comes across that well in these interviews.) One day he came in while I was playing 'Copy Shoot Cop' by Spiritualised. Stefan asked me what it was, and when I told him it was Spiritualised, he was REALLY disgusted (w/ me, w/ himself, w/humanity)

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 08:45 (ten years ago) link

Copy Shop Cop

gotta lol geir (NickB), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 08:47 (ten years ago) link

four months pass...

V good interview w/this guy in the wire. Repeats his hostility to vinyl.

Also pleased he had a not so favourable reaction to Funhouse.

Also lol @plans for a Derek Bailey solo alb to called One More Solo Album

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 9 February 2014 10:56 (ten years ago) link

Sad sad that never came out.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 9 February 2014 10:56 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

Playing tonight: http://www.cafeoto.co.uk/voice-and-guitar-beyond-tradition.shtm

xyzzzz__, Friday, 14 March 2014 12:31 (ten years ago) link

four months pass...

kvetch #1: o great reissuers of skullflower, you serve a worthy and honored purpose, but why o why do you place bonus tracks at the beginning? that must be some pretty righteous shit if you think I need to hear any of it before "elephant's graveyard".

actually…

j., Tuesday, 22 July 2014 20:45 (nine years ago) link

ten months pass...

Last Shot At Heaven! up at Bandcamp with bonus track
https://skullflower.bandcamp.com/album/last-shot-at-heaven

ringworm, Monday, 25 May 2015 10:16 (eight years ago) link

two years pass...

I don't think I've heard any Skullflower since 2008. Am I missing anything?

The Man Who Saw The Midwife (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 11 August 2017 11:56 (six years ago) link

The KIno series of remasters?
I think I gave up on them after that . I think I have Argon somewhere and could never get into it.
Had the IIIrd Gatekeeper in its original cd form which I got in Dublin in the mid 90s and like muchly. Also really like Ramlegh's Homeless for some of the same reasons.
mauy prefer Loop for better groove.
BUt have got into the KIno volumes I bought recently. Mainly IV though.

Stevolende, Friday, 11 August 2017 18:40 (six years ago) link

despite it's questionable title, Homeless features one of my favorite songs from either group...Fagenders.

dan selzer, Friday, 11 August 2017 20:21 (six years ago) link

fwiw a fag end is a cigarette butt in the UK

Colonel Poo, Friday, 11 August 2017 21:24 (six years ago) link

hah. I feel better about it now.

dan selzer, Friday, 11 August 2017 23:33 (six years ago) link

not like Ramleh never toyed around with some questionable stuff of course.

dan selzer, Friday, 11 August 2017 23:33 (six years ago) link

Ramleh's Circular Time 2cd from a few years back is well worth checking out... massive grooves, kinda noisy but earth-moving.

I actually just got all of the Kino CDs (I had Form Destroyer and Xaman on vinyl already but bonus traxx)! Was kind of wondering if he had gotten out of his uninteresting, headache-inducing black metal inspired phase 'cause I liked og Skullflower. I liked the weird, Krauty stuff he did in the later Sunroof! era and the first revival of Skullflower. I loved the weird, acoustic drone stuff he did for a while. But that shrieky shit makes me check out fast.

The Man Who Saw The Midwife (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 12 August 2017 03:32 (six years ago) link

https://skullflower.bandcamp.com/

👁 (am0n), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 15:02 (six years ago) link

I was hoping someone else had already spent weeks trawling through the Bandcamp but anyway

http://skullflower.bandcamp.com/album/the-wisdom-of-venom

Pretty listenable excepting some moments of high pitched feedback, but the last song is really cool... twisty organ loop into some epic guitar fuzz arching into the blastosphere. Kinda Sunroof! or Total vibes.

The Man Who Saw The Midwife (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 20 August 2017 08:46 (six years ago) link

oh cool, sunroof! still one of my all time favorites even though i haven't kept up

the late great, Sunday, 20 August 2017 17:28 (six years ago) link

though imo his peak is youngsbower

the late great, Sunday, 20 August 2017 17:29 (six years ago) link

Yeah Youngsbower was amazing. Sigh. Why no Youngsbower 2?

The Man Who Saw The Midwife (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 20 August 2017 23:52 (six years ago) link

That period where like Boredoms VCN and Super AE vibes and also Krautronic burbling melodies were influencing Bower was primo

The Man Who Saw The Midwife (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 20 August 2017 23:52 (six years ago) link

I was hoping someone else had already spent weeks trawling through the Bandcamp but anyway
― The Man Who Saw The Midwife (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, August 20, 2017 4:46 AM

haha it is a lot to go thru. no tinkling synths yet but the more recent stuff under the "yllustrous forger of dreams" moniker is reaching back to the calm era. will prob buy the newest one - https://skullflower.bandcamp.com/album/the-108
https://skullflower.bandcamp.com/track/burning-swamp-of-pitch

this one is also nice owing to the psaltery playing - https://skullflower.bandcamp.com/track/melek-taus

also:

https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a3931828151_10.jpg

👁 (am0n), Sunday, 3 September 2017 23:07 (six years ago) link

Thanks! "Dove Grey Lagoons" on the 108 is great!

Wichita prepares for totality (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 4 September 2017 06:38 (six years ago) link


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