Your opinion, please: 366-band, 411 track 1981 box set

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IM, it's got to be 'my god' good. gorgeous box.

jergins (jergins), Friday, 4 March 2005 00:32 (nineteen years ago) link

"objective" isn't really the word for CD-R Go!, though, because those are pretty much completely reflective of their compilers' tastes. (See Andy Kellman's for example, which have 80 songs each: http://www.jodeeandy.com/cdr700go!/)

(also, shamless plug time: Seattle Weekly now has a weekly column called CD-R Go!, check out the first one by me: http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0509/050302_music_cdrgo.php)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 4 March 2005 00:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Jergins ---

Thanks so much! It's definitely an example of making the most of my material limitations, but I think in the end it doesn't look too cheap. I would've liked to have a square-shaped booklet, but folding/cutting an 8.5x11 is just more practical.

I.M., Friday, 4 March 2005 02:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I know this may sound silly, but if anyone could point this thread out to Simon Reynolds, I've been keen to get him a copy ever since I found out a few months ago that he was doing a textual equivalent.

I.M. (I.M.), Friday, 4 March 2005 02:44 (nineteen years ago) link

(I am pleased you like "Heartbeat," Matos!)

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 4 March 2005 02:47 (nineteen years ago) link

That is an absolutely gorgeous box indeed, I.M. Well done! What a way to make a splash on this board. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 March 2005 02:51 (nineteen years ago) link

*Patrin does not faint; spends time wondering where all the rap is instead*

Stupornaut (natepatrin), Friday, 4 March 2005 03:12 (nineteen years ago) link

(I kid, this is truly an admirably batshit undertaking and I am way the hell impressed.)

Stupornaut (natepatrin), Friday, 4 March 2005 03:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't enjoy trying to tell people (especially younger, unexposed) people about music

No! School us! How did you do this? Did you own and listen to all these records in 1981, or have you accumulated all these over time? I'm just asking because I'll probably be the average ILMer in, er, eight(?) years, meaning that I pay close attention to and consume music at an alarming rate-- but I couldn't dream of making an anthology like this for, say, 2004... I just looked through the tracklisting, and I only recognized about eighty of the bands. Did you own a record shop or something?

poortheatre (poortheatre), Friday, 4 March 2005 03:16 (nineteen years ago) link

oh, man. what a great idea. rip that to ipod, shuffle, flashback. crazy.

john'n'chicago, Friday, 4 March 2005 03:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Stupornaut ---

haha thanks. I considered getting in some hip-hop, but I didn't want to be cursory or throw in some token Flash track. Clearly the scenes coallesced at points (NY at least) but I was primarily interested in helping young people (my age and younger) who suddenly the last couple years find it hip to call things "post-punk revival" or "dancepunk" or whatever that there was a lot more to the 78-82 period than Joy Division, Gang of Four, and maybe (if the kid is adventuresome) Wire, much as I love those bands. I split the set up into varyingly definable sounds/feelings/aesthetics to make it more approachable, but the point remains that even though you could probably call 90%+ of it "post-punk," there was a hell of a lot going on. I included a smattering of sub-Hannet-wannabe stuff, but mostly I went for breadth.

I.M. (I.M.), Friday, 4 March 2005 03:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Poortheatre ---

I am an addict, plain and simple. I don't know what the "average" ILMer is, but to put it this way: I could've bought at least a couple cars with the money I've spent on music since I was 12. I'm not proud of it in some capitalist aquisitive way--it's just that music is not an option, it's life. That's probably true for most people here (or they wouldn't be here taking all this stuff so seriously-not-seriously). I can't think of anything else on which I'd rather have blown almost every discretionary penny I've earned. I wish I owned a record shop, but I've never even worked at one.

I'll tell you a little secret (not much of one--it's in the opening "essay" for the set)--I was a year old in 1981. I'm ambivalent about how this fact affects my appreciation of all this music. On the one hand, it means I'm hearing things slightly less in terms of whats considered cool at the time; on the other hand, maybe "what's cool" is valid, and I'm not getting the full picture from the recorded sounds alone. I'm fascinated to hear from people who were there about the whole thing--whether the relative inaccessibility of it all made it an elitist bastion, whether the internet deomcratises things--or whether because it was so scarce it was much more community-driven, that its expansiveness came from the necessity of staying busy. I tend to come down on the feeling that I like how I've heard the music--that much as an honest, non-selfconscious scene (a rare thing indeed) can be exhilirating, I'm more likely to have an honest response to the music "on its own terms" coming to it all after the fact and with relatively little knowledge of ephemeral elements. I could be wrong.

I.M. (I.M.), Friday, 4 March 2005 03:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I was a year old in 1981

! My, that's dedication to be showing when you were a year old. ;-) (I tease, etc.)

I sympathize with you on the money/car thing. Happily I have never owned a car. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 March 2005 03:33 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah cars are for suckers, anyway

chris andrews (fraew), Friday, 4 March 2005 03:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, if I never have to drive a car again I'll be a happy man. Millstone around the neck.

I work in preservation/restoration architecture and even though I live in a small city, I'm a pretty rabid urbanist. So I like to explain to people who love their cars why I find the utter and total reliance on them (indeed, the razind and reconstruction of society to accommodate them) so absurd in the following way: imagine instead of being on wheels, imagine cars were the same amount of metal and glass and rubber all put together into a big 14'-tall "Mech". Then imagine every suburban mother hopping into her 4,000-pound robot to go to the grocery for milk and bread! Fucking insane, but not much scarrier than the way freeways and cul-de-sacced squirrely over-wide roads look to me.

I.M. (I.M.), Friday, 4 March 2005 03:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Well. This raises the bar considerably.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 4 March 2005 05:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey, Fraew! I didn't see it was you at first. How many EPers post here?


Michael ---

I'm not sure what I raised the bar on besides time-sucking geek hobbies, but . . . thanks!

I.M. (I.M.), Friday, 4 March 2005 06:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Proof that (as I originally knew) 1981 was the best year in music.

Ian Riese-Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Friday, 4 March 2005 11:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I need this...

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 4 March 2005 12:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Gorgeous box IM, great job.

blawa (blawa), Friday, 4 March 2005 13:25 (nineteen years ago) link

reading about borderline-crazy devotion to music like this reminds me I love music too even if sometimes I can forget (and kinda makes me wnt to cry wet tears of joy) and I guess I'm just saying I'd be more than thankful to just know tht this kind of thing exists and tht you, I.M., went to the (good god it must be almost thankless) task & effort of compiling it and then distributing at cost but the fact that it's available, fr sale, good god! I'd definitely be interested in a copy if thr's one left.

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 4 March 2005 13:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Thank you all so much for your kind words. I did this thing because I wanted to, but it does make me very happy that others appreciate all the effort, and more importantly, appreciate the music that means so much to me.

I'm within a couple spots of 100 as of 10:20A.M. C.S.T., but if you think you would enjoy the set, I still welcome requests. I simply can't guarantee that I will get to those beyond 100 in the immediate future. As the interest seems to be there, however, I guess I have a responsibility to meet it as best I can. If you're willing to wait a little longer (perhaps a month) by all means, go ahead and write to me.

Again, thanks, all. I envisioned this thread quickly falling into oblivion---this is much more fun.

I.M. (I.M.), Friday, 4 March 2005 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I e-mailed you about this, IM. I'm probably the sort of person this is aimed at (I was born 5 years after this all happened) and this period is one that I haven't properly explored yet. Everything I know on these discs is some of my favorite music, so I'm drooling at the thought of all the music I've missed!

This really is a beautiful thing. You should be proud.

stephen morris (stephen morris), Friday, 4 March 2005 16:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Man, I'm old enough to remember the year in completeness, and I missed a lot of it. 50% or thereabouts...

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 4 March 2005 16:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I've pressed 60 copies

I'm using nice white-on-top CD-Rs

So are these (in any case, very wonderful) cd's pressed, or burned? I gotta say, it's really impressive how you've gotten some of the more underground stuff on here (e.g. Monitor, Nervous Gender)

These Robust Cookies (Robust Cookies), Friday, 4 March 2005 17:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Hats off to I.M. for this labour of (indie) love.

Jeff W (zebedee), Friday, 4 March 2005 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I think someone should sing it all the way through for charity.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 4 March 2005 17:38 (nineteen years ago) link

(hope you got my e-mail, i.m.)

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 4 March 2005 18:19 (nineteen years ago) link

These Robust Cookies ---

Oh, they're burned. Very home-made affair. It would be amazing to make a "real" version, but I'm sure it'd cost more than I earn in a decade.

I.M. (I.M.), Friday, 4 March 2005 18:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I.M., I'd love to reserve one, but the contact link on your site isn't working. Help.

San Carlos (San Carlos), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah. *sigh* please don't hold that against me, wasn't my idea, to be sure. I consider making this set the opposite of bloated, self-obsessed post-liberal arts criticism.

I.M. (I.M.), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:17 (nineteen years ago) link

no grudges on my end--hell, they name-checked me (though they should've mentioned Nate Patrin, who started the whole CDR700 Go! thing)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:21 (nineteen years ago) link

but I couldn't dream of making an anthology like this for, say, 2004

Especially if you had to own 80% of the CDs!

I picked up a copy of I.M.'s box on the original pressing and it is indeed a lot of fun. Good on ya, *i. Stop making this thing and get to work on 1991. :D

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:47 (nineteen years ago) link

A series of other single-year retrospectives have been given birth in recent years by the denizens of the music critic circle-jerk I Love Music

And this is PITCHFORK saying this.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks, Poly. I'm not the man to cover '91--but it would be damned cool to see other years done up like this. I still probably will do 1979, but I doubt I'll have the energy for any more.

I.M. (I.M.), Saturday, 5 March 2005 00:37 (nineteen years ago) link

This is really impressive. I was born in 1981 and therefore I'm like.. huh! >>>> Where can I get this Box, I.M? - and how much does it cost?

XEON, Saturday, 5 March 2005 01:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Just thought I'd let everyone know, the 100 I know I'll make (because I've already bought the materials) have been reserved. However, because demand has exceeded my wildest expectations, I'll probably make more. So please feel free to email me, and I'll put you on the waiting list. I'll probably want a break after I get the 100 made, but I'll probably make more within about a month.

I.M. (I.M.), Saturday, 5 March 2005 04:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm keen to know your opinions on the concepts of "musical tutelage," or "the importance of going it alone," all that. In other words, what is the importance of the process/method/path of discovery in the listening experience over years of ones life.

It's possible that I'm prone to over-emphasising the advantages of the soujourner path. I had no cool older sibling, no hip (only hippie) parents, and lived mostly in smallish towns and medium cities that could hardly be consdered record shop hotbeds (though after initiated into musical obsession, I later discovered they often had the most cohesive, passionate kind of local music scenes around). My parents instilled in me a sense that music was important (and gave me one of my great loves, Joni Mitchell) but didn't have much breadth to share. I'm still not really sure how I got from The Beatles and Smashing Pumpkins and Simon & Garfunkel at age 13 to Sunny Day Real Estate and Stereolab at 17 to where I am today at 24. I didn't have the internet till I was 17; I didn't even have MTV (120 minutes seems to have influenced quite a few burgeoning music kids in the 90s). So I suppose I carried an inflated sense of my own luck, my own instincts--I managed to get here (here being nothing impressive, you know, a predictable 500 records of Jazz/Blues/World Music etc., but it's a start) "without any help".

Which for a while I was troubled when I found myself being adopted as some sort of knowledgeable figure by younger/less experienced kids some years back. Partly this was due to the fact that I didn't (and still don't really) feel I have much musical knowledge--just a record collection a little larger than most "normal" people my age. But the primary source of misgiving came from a distrust of "giving it away," not in the elitist sense that "I've earned it and you haven't"--I've always assumed that notion to be obvious bullshit, though many of you may disagree. But rather I hesitated because I wondered if somehow I might be depriving people of something if I cut out the "labourious" process of trial and error, the often tedious and risky adventure of placing your own money on the counter. I wondered--would I have really appreciated the music as much, if I hadn't had to "work" for it?

If it tells you anything about where I ended up, I eventually gave 70 mp3-CDs filled with roughly the first eight years of my serious music addiction to a younger cousin. Though I have friends who claim that "the internet ruined music," I decided that even for me, there was relatively little "work" involved in the "process of discovery" anymore. Even before it was common to have high-speed internet and good p2p like Soulseek, the "challenges" were essentially whittled down to "do you have the money to afford to be eclectic". I began to ask, what did it mean to have "earned" ones musical knowledge? Pitchfork might be ruining young minds with their awful writing, but hipster "cheat sheets" had been a staple of "musical knowledge" since well before I was born. My own "country mouse" success story in some ways notwithstanding, hadn't the primary determinant of being musically-in-the-know really come down to a few very undemocratic and ultimately ephemeral things: where you happened to live, how much discretionary money you had, and who you knew (whether people or zines)? Where was "PASSION" on the list? Sure, someone with passion AND all the aforementioned advantages could live a great musical life. But for him the "process of discovery" was about as tricky as popping down to Rough Trade to see what'd come in this week (to exagerate). Meanwhile someone with no real passion but a desire to be seen as "hip" could also pop on down. Meanwhile the passionate kid in the hinterland (or the poor kid in the suburbs) had to stagnate with frustration; or, as in my case, find mail-order, making the process not really so difficult, but not that romantic, either.

Now don't get me wrong. I'm still the sort who needs to "own" the record--mp3's don't count--as my bank account can attest. I'm not even proud of this, as it probably comes down to some consumerist materialism as much as any ethical imperative. But let's be honest--the glory of crate digging, the joy of a good local shop, blowing sizeable savings each visit to London or New York--these are all enjoyable, and it's reasonable to wear them as badges of verity (in our own geek minds, at least). Chatting down at the shop or spinning at the radio station--these will always have a visceral appeal that things like typing away on ILM etc. can't provide. But what are we really on about, ultimately? What compels us to take part in all these geeky rituals? (And being honest, when I see Trekkies, I know that but for the grace of God, there go my passions--we're not that different.) It has to be The Sounds Themselves.

As the 1981 set itself attests, I've clearly come down that "giving it away" is a logical fallacy. All that you can give to a passionate kid, a neophyte who would know more, will only fuel the fire. None of us (well, maybe a few at this place, but in general) knows everything, and I imagine we'd get depressed if we thought we did (and probably all of us, at least early on, hit that wall of asking, "is this it?" before the next thrill of discovery). So what's the damage done if some kid hears This Heat at 16 on a silly boxed set, instead of waiting around till luck of Pitchfork exposure and the whimsy of reissues made it more likely? I say, more power to him--that's less time he might waste on lesser stuff.

Which brings up my final potential qualm about "giving it away": does a "musical tutor" not risk simply indoctrinating his "puil," risk blunting the development of his capacity for discrimination? Well, I'll pose another question in response. For those of you lucky enough to have been the right age at the right time in the right time for Peel's golden age: did you simply take his word on every track? Or even if you did initially, did his opinions remain yours for good? Well, compared to any of us, John Peel is the "tutoring" God; and if God's own trumpet didn't deafen your own opinions, then I think none of us is likely to do so for anyone else. I say: exposure, exposure, exposure. People may not be ready for everything all at once--and so the temporal facet of our beloved "process of discovery" will inevitably reassert itself. Even if some kid queues up half your collection on Soulseek (as numerous have done mine,) it will take them plenty of time to even hear it all, much less listen to any of it. So I embrace the democratic age of access; don't fear the instantaneousness of it all--our ears and our hearts are still analogue, and for those with passion, the process will still take time. Passion should be the only criterion for gaining access to the beautiful world of music (and paying in to keep the practical side will come with salaries, years on).

I love listening to my collection, and remembering that I bought this record in 2001 on a trip to Philly to meet some girl I barely knew, and listened to it the first time we made love; or that it was recommended me by a kindly shop owner in 1996, and that it changed my life. I doubt that many kids will remember "I downloaded this album, the modified date says, on 5th May 2005, along with these other 10 albums". They will, isntead, form their own memories--when the music first meant something to them, what was happening, maybe even when they got the money together to go out and buy the record. I'm not worried we stand to lose anything important.

I.M. (I.M.), Saturday, 5 March 2005 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Please forgive the rough-shod nature of that schpiel. I'm not a writer, obviously--which is really why I made the 1981 set in the first place, so that I wouldn't have to try and explain anything ; ) My poor grammar and spelling aside, I hope I got something in there to get you going--even if to scream, "you've got it all wrong, you moron".

I.M. (I.M.), Saturday, 5 March 2005 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Also---if anyone here who *is* a writer is bored enough that they might dash together a more cogent introductory essay for the 1981 set than the one I wrote for the 1st Edition (below), I'd be eternally grateful.


Intro to the 1981 box, 1st Edition:

My first idea of how to introduce this set was to start with a question: "what do we do when we realise Pandora's box is never going to shut?" I wanted to persuade you that the music heard on this set provides one answer to that question: if our belief in fundamental order is shaken, we resolve to make a beautiful mess. I wanted to argue that a lot of this music is part of a lineage of noble "outré" and progressive popular art made by people trying to restore hope and meaning amidst derelict shells of classicism, modernism, and post-modernism. I would also have tried to say something pithy regarding the historical context of this music, about how the shattering of the notion of monolithic cultures made music like this possible, and necessary; and about Thatcher, Reagan, suburbs, post-industrial economics, the dole, the rise of fundamentalism and yuppiedom and anti-disco rockism.But the truth is, I was in diapers in 1981. As far as outré music is concerned, I have less than a decade of experience with the stuff. My parents were hippies spinning Joni Mitchell and James Taylor records in the '80s. They imbued me with a sense that music was deeply important, but didn't have much of its sonic breadth to share. I "know" about as much about music as could be expected of any musically obsessed twenty-four year old who spent high-school in the School of Indie Rock, owns only a couple hundred jazz records, a hundred (predictable) hip-hop records, overuses Skip James on mixes, and only heard his first Talking Heads album as a junior in high school. What I mean is: I still function musically primarily on passion, not knowledge. I'm confident about my abilities to put together a good mix for just about any tastes; do a decent radio show; and hold my own with young know-it-all record clerks in Chicago. But I don't know enough to write cool, authoritative, impressively linernotish liner notes. The fact that I know all this music after-the-fact or "second hand" should affect the quality of the music; an attempt to give you the storytelling goods secondhand would probably do a disservice to the story.This set inevitably reflects my biases as its curator; but I hope it is deep and wide enough to allow you to decide what the "best," "most important," "coolest" sounds are. In fact, I realise you may even disagree with me that 1981 is worth all the trouble. Personally, I think something was happening from about 1978 to 1982 that is noteworthy in the history of pop music. I think there was an earnest expansiveness and playfulness regarding the boundaries (or absence thereof) between genres and between "art" and "pop". Nothing I could say will convince you--but the music might.

I admit that a portion of these tracks are undeniably dated (if charmingly so,) and will probably trigger nostalgia even if you've never heard them. Progressive (in pop terms) as these tracks were at the time, they established the paradigm for the infamous "sound of the 80s," and by extension the cartoonish aesthetic currently revered by college students too young to actually remember the decade. I resisted investigating many of the bands I knew as pathetic yuppie crooners on my older sister's radio in the mid-80s for years; in their early incarnations, at least, some of those bands have become my favourites. The majority of the music of this particular 1981, however, would set a fire were it released today; the paradigm they operated within (or without) was expansive enough that a lot of the best "progressive" music is still exploring it today (in just the way that many of these bands can be said to have been working in virtual homage to Can or the Velvet Underground).Investigating threads of Influence and innovation; glowing about "prescience;" and dividing the thieves from the tributaries arguably enhances musical enjoyment. But I hope you'll ultimately take this music on its own terms. I came into my interest in the "post-punk period" slowly; I bought the hype young that punk was the Sex Pistols, which I didn't especially like, and therefore skipped ahead to Yo La Tengo and the Pixies. It was only after I stumbled through a couple dozen records that I started to notice common years popping up. My subsequent effort to consciously put together a picture of the movement (and my appreciation of the music as a cultural artifact) came only after I first felt the picture. Even after as work-like a relationship as I've had to this music after spending countless man-hours putting this set together, I still hear it foremostly in the visceral way that I did when I knew nothing of its history.On to the indisputable facts: 395 tracks, 345 bands, almost 21 hours of sound, spanning most elements of the post-punk, art-pop, new wave, hardcore, no wave, d.i.y., new romantic, power-pop, dancepunk, art-punk and electropop spheres. Nine of the discs are audio CDs, carefully selected and sequenced along sonic or emotional themes. The tenth disc is an mp3 "appendix" containing tracks by 130-plus bands that didn't fit the main mixes, most of whom are just as good as those on the main CDs. For some of you, there is little new to you here. For a good many, this may be all the "post-punk" you'll ever want. I don't need to change your life, I just want to play you some music; so if you enjoy any of it, my effort has been worthwhile. It is my secret hope, however, that for a few of you, this will be another step toward deep, passionate addiction to music you might not have known existed. Music does not truly exist without both passionate playing and passionate listening; you make music out of noise by listening well.

I.M. (I.M.), Saturday, 5 March 2005 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link

some interesting thoughts, on a tangent to yours I.M., here: "The Golden Age Is When You Were 12*"

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 5 March 2005 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link

The box set list is way impressive, but you know there were a couple (hundred) good R&B records released in 1981, too.

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Saturday, 5 March 2005 20:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey now Lovebug, that was already (semi-jokingly) addressed via Nate above and responded to.

One could -- if one wanted to -- create an alternate 1981 set that removes many tracks in favor of a slew of R'n'B selections, but understandably that would reflect the bias of the creator as much as this set does. The whole *point* is that it is biased. (Something like the original Nuggets was biased after all.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 5 March 2005 20:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Cozen -- thanks for the link, I'll check it out.

Lovebug -- indeed there were. And hip-hop, and avant garde, and probably Nashville Country for all I know. But this box was never intended to be "the" "objective" story of 1981. I definitely indended to have a limited (but not too limited) scope. I definitely didn't mean to offend anyone by leaving things out--I just figured my scope was one that could use some in-depth anthologising, and it happens to reflect my favourite sort of music going on at the time.

I.M. (I.M.), Saturday, 5 March 2005 20:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry. Didn't mean to dis. And I think your focus/selection is more objectively "true" than you realize, there really wasn't much crossover between black and white audiences then, a lot of "post-punkers" were just as anti-disco as those nasty ol' rockists.

Were I to put my money where my mouth is, I'd assemble the early 80s R&B/rap version of your box. As if. Your anthology is an achievement!

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Saturday, 5 March 2005 21:32 (nineteen years ago) link

1981 was a music-drenched year of great personal import -- the year I moved to NYC! It's really a treat to browse all those titles and names(not that I remembered every one).

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Saturday, 5 March 2005 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link

from the pitchfork link Matos gave above:

I Love Music CDR700Go! Collections

A series of other single-year retrospectives have been given birth in recent years by the denizens of the music critic circle-jerk I Love Music, who have generated an entire inventory of single-disc mp3 mixes, with listings accessible in the message board's archives. Assembled by folks like Seattle Weekly editor Michaelangelo Matos, All Music Guide contributor Andy Kellman, and former Pitchfork rabblerouser Chris Ott, most are less motivated by personal taste than a desire to most accurately document the calendar year, above and below ground. Hence, the 1976 disc makes room for both the Buzzcocks and "Disco Duck", and Barry Manilow and Pere Ubu are compilation flatmates for the first-- and probably last-- time. Waiving the right to selective hindsight makes the discs great archeological fodder; on random, they play like great radio stations with extreme microprogramming.

Hmmm, can't imagine what year(s) the statement in bold is referring to... *whistles*

donut debonair (donut), Saturday, 5 March 2005 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Lovebug ---

I'm not sure I agree that things were as segregated then as they might seem, and I certainly don't agree that post-punk was particularly "rockist" or anti-disco---a large portion of this stuff is very dance-oriented, often with straight-up disco beats. Call it cultural imperialism, call it cooption--I think a lot of these musicians (especially in England) were very broad-minded, heavily immersed in jamaican musics, American funk, and, I suspect, a good deal of African music (both Afrobeat-ish/High-life and traditional forms) as well as a broad swath of "white" music. I guess I'm one to tend to cut arguments about "authenticity" and "originality" down quickly, because they tend to insult just about everyone involved (supposed "originators" and accused "coopters") and paint everything into tight little corners. I'm certain there was plenty of posing and faking and hanging-on, but I prefer to focus on the cooperative, the joyous, the fun. I think there was a lot of play back and forth between the "white" music (apparently what is on my set, though many musicians involved were not racially white) and "black" music at the time--white kids were stealing calypso beats but adding Stockhausen splicing and Scratch Perry echoes, black kids were sampling Liquid Liquid and Tom Tom Club, early goth-tinged electro-pop was providing production aesthetics for hip hop, and on and on. There are very few outright Elvises on this set. I'd love it if you did "the" "other" 1981--I'd love to see all kinds of spheres anthologised in this fashion, and I'd love to put them all in a big CD changer and hit "random". It'd be a lot of fun.

I.M. (I.M.), Saturday, 5 March 2005 22:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I've got 60 copies finished, so I should begin notifying people that their copies are ready to ship by Friday.

I.M. (I.M.), Sunday, 6 March 2005 02:48 (nineteen years ago) link

prob also noteworthy that i grew up without a solid radio station experience so it wasn't until after college that the idea of an unbreakable mix even came into view. i like the freedom to explore and repeat and skip tracks rather than drive at someone else's speed i suppose. it's a limitation on my part!

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 7 September 2017 20:40 (six years ago) link

Oh my goodness I will be spending some time with these

paolo, Thursday, 7 September 2017 21:04 (six years ago) link

So did someone send back a copy of 1981 to you?

Yeah! My friend (in real life) A.M./Ettiem who is an ILMer send me a copy of the 1st edition pre-ILM. So cool of him!

Soundslike, Friday, 8 September 2017 01:00 (six years ago) link

Haha very good!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 September 2017 01:43 (six years ago) link

seven months pass...

A q

Soundslike, Sunday, 15 April 2018 13:13 (six years ago) link

A quick reminder--the full '1981' box including the 'briefcase' has been up for a year for anybody who didn't get a physical copy back in 2005!

https://musicophilia.wordpress.com/2017/04/04/post-punk-1981-complete-collection-including-the-briefcase/

And for those who did get one 13 years ago--we're old now! ; ) 1981 was 22 years in the past when I started the project. Which means there's some young person out there now making a '1996' box set!

There is literally an entire new listening generation out there since I made this box who get to discover post-punk/new wave--so pass it on!

Soundslike, Sunday, 15 April 2018 13:19 (six years ago) link

And while I didn't ever really make the non-post-punk 1981 box--this set has a lot of great 1981 non-pp music, for those who might be interested:

https://musicophilia.wordpress.com/2018/04/03/tribute-to-brian-eno-translucence/

And in addition to the '1979' follow-up set, there's annother post-punk box for those who might be interested, with a 1-hr sampler mix: 'Post-Punk 2007-2017'

https://musicophilia.wordpress.com/2017/10/24/post-punk2007-2017/

Soundslike, Sunday, 15 April 2018 13:27 (six years ago) link

Sorry--having some tech difficulties with my phone. This is the set with non-pp 1981 music:

https://musicophilia.wordpress.com/2017/11/14/le-monde-du-funk-1970-1985/

Soundslike, Sunday, 15 April 2018 13:29 (six years ago) link

Which means there's some young person out there now making a '1996' box set!
We can but pity them.

Jeff W, Sunday, 15 April 2018 14:05 (six years ago) link

Us kids don’t want your old fogie “new wave” music gramps. We like Post Malone and Silento

kornrulez6969, Sunday, 15 April 2018 14:27 (six years ago) link

A project like this for the early/mid-’90s would actually be great (’96 is a bit past the curve).

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Sunday, 15 April 2018 15:26 (six years ago) link

Or I could just listen to my old CMJ samplers, I guess...

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Sunday, 15 April 2018 15:27 (six years ago) link

I was fortunate enough to get a physical copy back then. From time to time I glance at my shelf wondering when the CD-Rs will degrade and thinking I should rip them before they do (and while I still have something to rip them with!)

But now I don't have to rip them. Thanks!

fajita seas, Sunday, 15 April 2018 16:15 (six years ago) link


I was fortunate enough to get a physical copy back then. From time to time I glance at my shelf wondering when the CD-Rs will degrade and thinking I should rip them before they do (and while I still have something to rip them with!)

But now I don't have to rip them. Thanks!

― fajita seas, Sunday, April 15, 2018 4:15 PM

I've wondered, too, whether those CD-Rs still work after so many years! Supposedly they were the very best in blank white CDs at the time. . .

But glad I could save you the trouble of ripping! Hope you enjoy them anew (and the follow-up sets, too).

Soundslike, Sunday, 15 April 2018 23:22 (six years ago) link

eight months pass...

Coming January 1, with any luck. . .

https://musicophilia.files.wordpress.com/2018/12/Post-Punk-1980_GIF_Medium.gif?w=900

Soundslike, Sunday, 30 December 2018 17:20 (five years ago) link

Dun dun dunnnnnn

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 30 December 2018 17:27 (five years ago) link

👍🏼

i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 30 December 2018 18:19 (five years ago) link

Dun dun dun indeed!

Mark G, Sunday, 30 December 2018 18:34 (five years ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://musicophilia.files.wordpress.com/2018/12/folder.jpg?w=1024

https://musicophilia.files.wordpress.com/2018/12/Post-Punk-1980_GIF_Medium.gif?w=624&zoom=2

POST PUNK 198O

The final link in a trilogy of post-punk/new wave box sets, following up on the original '1981' box set from 2004-2005, and the '1979' set from 2017. This is an eight-mix (all roughly C-90 in length) set covering the year I'd filed away as the breather between the huge statements of 1979 and the massive explosion of creativity of 1981. Turns out, it's just as strong, just as varied, just as exciting.

Featuring:

A Certain Ratio · Animals & Men · The Associates · Au Pairs · Bauhaus · The Beat · The Blackouts · Blondie · Blancmange · David Bowie · Bow Wow Wow · The Boys Next Door · Glenn Branca · The Breakers · Buggles · Buzzcocks · The Cars · Chris Carter · Alex Chilton · Chrome · Colored Minds · The Comsat Angels · Elvis Costello & The Attractions · The Cramps · The Cure · Dalek I · Delta 5 · Deutsch Amerikanische Freundshaftt · Devo · The Diagram Brothers · Din a Testbild · Doctor Mix & The Remix · Dome · Dow Jones & The Industrials · The Durutti Column · Essendon Airport · Factrix · Fad Gadget · Family Fodder · The Feelies · Final Program · Fire Engines · Flowers · Flying Lizard · Free Agents · Friction · John Foxx · Peter Gabriel · Gang of Four · Girls At Our Best · The Gist · The Go-Go’s · The Gordons · Half Japanese · The Human League · Husker Du · Ike Yard · Implog · Indoor LifeIn Camera · INXS · The Jam · Japan · Grace Jones · Josef K · Joy Division · Kid Creole & The Coconuts · Killing Joke · Krisma · Lizard · Ludus · Magazine · Manicured Noise · Marilyn · Martha & The Muffins · Material · Minutemen · Missing Persons · Mission of Burma · Mr. Partridge · Moderne · The Mo-Dettes · The Monchrome Set · Pauline Murray & The Invisible Girls · MX-80 Sound · Nasmak · Neonbabies · New Musik · Colin Newman · Gary Numan · Iggy Pop · The Only Ones · Orange Juice · Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark · Our Daughter’s Wedding · Pink Military · Pink Section · Plastics · Polyrock · Poly Styrene · The Pop Group · Pretenders · Prince · Psychedelic Furs · Pylon · Reptile Ranch · Martin Rev · Reversible Cords · Rinder & Lewis · The Room · Roxy Music · Ryuichi Sakamoto · The Selecter · Simple Minds · Siouxsie & The Banshees · The Slits · Smokey · Sods · Soft Cell · The Sound · The Specials · Squeeze · Richard Strange · The Stranglers · Swell Maps · Talking Heads · Teardrop Explodes · Television Personalities · Telex · This Heat · Tuxedomoon · Ultravox · Units · Urban Verbs · Les Vampyrettes · The Vapors · Alan Vega · Virgin Prunes · Visage · Scott WIlk & The Wall · Wipers · Xex · XTC · Yello · Y Pants · Yellow Magic Orchestra · Young Marble Giants

Download/stream here: https://musicophilia.wordpress.com/2019/01/01/post-punk-1980-box-set/

Soundslike, Saturday, 26 January 2019 16:48 (five years ago) link

If you want to check out just the tracklist, check it here.

Soundslike, Saturday, 26 January 2019 16:52 (five years ago) link

What, no "Effortless" by Athletico Spizz 80?

Just kidding (maybe).

Good work as ever, sir. And the colour scheme for this one is spot on - exactly how I felt about the music at the time. There was an awful lot of grey or silvery grey sleeve art around, mind, which didn't help.

Jeff W, Sunday, 27 January 2019 14:49 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

Not the full-on box-set treatment, I'm afraid, but here's as close as I've come to a follow-up for 1982:

https://musicophilia.files.wordpress.com/2020/04/musicophilia_00_various_-_joy-vol-2-post-punk_1982_cover-a-front.jpg?w=1024

https://musicophilia.files.wordpress.com/2020/04/musicophilia_00_various_-_joy-vol-2-post-punk_1982_cover-b-back.jpg?w=1024

'Joy! Volume 2: Post-Punk 1982'

01 [0:00:00] The Raincoats- “No One’s Little Girl” (‘Running Away’ 7″)
02 [0:04:30] Rip Rig & Panic- “You’re My Kind of Climate” (‘You’re My Kind…’ EP)
03 [0:10:20] African Head Charge – “High Protein Snack” (‘Environmental Studies’)
04 [0:13:40] Haircut 100 – “Favourite Shirt (Boy Meets Girl)” (‘Pelican West’)
05 [0:16:40] Family Fodder – “The Big Dig” (‘The Big Dig’ 7″)
06 [0:19:35] Our Daughter’s Wedding – “Buildings” (‘Moving Windows’)
07 [0:23:30] The Stick Men- “Personality Pollination” (‘This Is The Master Brew’)
08 [0:25:10] Pigbag – “Wiggling” (‘Dr. Heckle and Mister Jive’)
09 [0:30:15] Antena – “Camino del Sol” (‘Camino del Sol’ EP)
10 [0:33:55] Shriekback – “My Spine is the Bassline” (‘My Spine is the Bassline’ EP)

11 [0:37:55] Pylon – “Beep” (‘Beep’ 7″)
12 [0:41:15] Scritti Politti – “The Sweetest Girl” (‘Songs To Remember’)
13 [0:46:20] Sonic Youth – “The Burning Spear” (‘Sonic Youth’ EP)
14 [0:49:40] Delta 5 – “Powerlines” (‘Powerlines’ 7″)
15 [0:52:45] Maximum Joy – “Dancing On My Boomerang” (‘Station MXJY’)
16 [0:55:55] Weekend – “Summerdays” (‘La Verite’)
17 [0:58:45] R.E.M. – “1,000,000” (‘Chronic Town’ EP)
18 [1:01:50] Dog Eat Dog – “Rollover” (unreleased)
19 [1:04:45] Lora Logic – “Martian Man” (‘Pedigree Charm’)
20 [1:09:05] Tones On Tail – “Now We Lustre” (‘There’s Only One’ 7″)

21 [1:13:25] 48 Chairs – “Rhino Whip” (‘70% Paranoid’)
22 [1:17:10] Pere Ubu – “A Day Such As This” (‘Song of the Bailing Man’)
23 [1:20:45] Psychic TV – “Just Drifting” (‘Force The Hand’)
24 [1:24:25] ESG – “The Beat” (‘ESG Says Dance to the Beat of Moody’ EP)
25 [1:26:35] A Certain Ratio – “Touch” (‘I’d Like To See You Again’)
26 [1:31:35] The Gist – “Love At First Sight” (‘Embrace the Herd’)
27 [1:35:00] Special AKA & Rico – “Easter Island” (‘Jungle Music’ EP)
28 [1:39:05] Orange Juice – “L.O.V.E. Love” (‘You Can’t Hide Your Love Forever’)
29 [1:42:35] Yasuaki Shimizu – “Dots” (‘Kakashi’)
30 [1:45:30] Comsat Angels – “After the Rain” (‘Fiction’)

Download/stream here: https://musicophilia.wordpress.com/2020/04/01/post-punk-1982/

Soundslike, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 23:25 (four years ago) link

nine months pass...

The original '1981' set is back up--now in much better audio quality, but as mixed mp3s (not single tracks):

40 years since the post-punk of 1981, 17 years since I made '1981,' a definitive box-set of nine themed mixes spanning the canonized to the unknown. And it still sounds like tomorrow. https://t.co/ePWUOHce9K

Higher quality, as mixed mp3s. Dive in, share, and please BUY MUSIC! pic.twitter.com/ZM90ZOneY6

— Musicophilia (@musicophiliamix) January 5, 2021

Soundslike, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 22:01 (three years ago) link

Thanks, just now re-tweeted!

dow, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 22:21 (three years ago) link

six months pass...

When I first shared these mixes on ILM, bith I and the music were a spritely 24 years old. Now we're both 40! But I think the music is aging (or not aging, really) far better than me. In that it hasn't aged a day, vs. I fell down my stairs a few weeks ago...

To celebrate 40 years since 1981, and over 17 since I started making the mixes, they're up in much higher quality here:

https://musicophilia.wordpress.com/2021/01/04/1981-post-punk/

Soundslike, Thursday, 29 July 2021 12:15 (two years ago) link

The original box still sits proudly with my other box sets.

Chris L, Thursday, 29 July 2021 12:32 (two years ago) link

These are very much appreciated!

christopher.ivan, Thursday, 29 July 2021 12:33 (two years ago) link

Still love these mixes, particularly the personality behind the songs that are picked. They're often either not my favorites or wouldn't have been my personal picks, but that's the whole point of mixes. It forces me to listen to these songs in a fresh context which in turn flavors how I hear them.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 29 July 2021 12:53 (two years ago) link

Thanks, all! I definitely often ended up picking tracks that weren't my favorites per se, but instead tracks that fit the vibe and flow of the mixes--so lead to some idiosyncratic choices. But always was the hope, and is now, that folks will hear things they didn't know, and hear those they already knew in a new context.

Soundslike, Friday, 30 July 2021 18:59 (two years ago) link

four months pass...

WFMU's Give the Drummer Radio stream is doing a fun thing today -- all four of today's live shows are playing only music from 1981. Tony Coulter (on now and for ~15 more minutes) focusing on postpunk/industrial/experimental. 12 hours total.

Everybody Loves Ramen (WmC), Tuesday, 28 December 2021 19:43 (two years ago) link


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