the hal russell NRG ensemble "the hal russell story".
there are a few others but it's too early and I haven't cared enough about jazz lately to remember.
― mosurock (mosurock), Monday, 13 January 2003 16:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
other good stuff includes gateway, feat. john abercrombie (sp?) who is somewhat similar to bill frisell's at points. also the early, pre-lame, pre-midi pat metheney.
― marcg (marcg), Monday, 13 January 2003 17:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Phil (phil), Monday, 13 January 2003 20:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Phil (phil), Monday, 13 January 2003 20:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Monday, 13 January 2003 20:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
ECM: Found huddled outside a Starbucks beneath the much-maligned umbrella of "NPR Music," or a still-relevant home to transcendent, spacious music with a minimum of fuss? Are they only as good as their classic back-catalogue? Does the New Series wave of innocuous and "tasteful" artistry leave a bad taste in your mouth (or no taste whatsoever)?
IMHO, their Steve Reich issues are some of the finest Reich extant, including the definitive renditions of Music for 18 Musicians, Violin Phase, Octet, etc. I love Anouar Brahem, enjoy Tomasz Stanko, and admire their volume of Silvestrov/Shevchenko's Silent Songs.
That said, I'm not sold on 100% (or even 75%) of what I hear on ECM, but it's one of the few labels that I routinely give the benefit of the doubt if I'm on the fence about wasting $20 from time to time. I'm entirely in favor of their leanings towards artsy European starkness, but I wish Manfred Eicher would learn to get by on less reverb.
― Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 06:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― team jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 07:18 (eighteen years ago) link
I have also been suprised how much parts of Eberhardt Weber albums from the 70s sound like Tortoise.
― Earl Nash (earlnash), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 09:22 (eighteen years ago) link
I think that ECM's huge advertising budget may have been a contributory factor to that particular "ambivalence."
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:37 (eighteen years ago) link
The NY Times and a Seattle paper love the new ECM label album Arco Iris from Moroccan vocalist Amina Alaoui who performs old Andalusian compositions here. I haven't heard it but I am intrigued. Ilxer Sanpaku liked the Jon Balke & Amina Alaoui album Siwan that came out on ECM a year or 2 back.
I also just mentioned it here:Arabic music (not elsewhere classified)
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 14:51 (twelve years ago) link
the other ECM thread
ECM s/d.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 14:53 (twelve years ago) link
Posted this on the Arabic music thread but its an ECM label album
Some of the Amina Alaoui album is a little too samey--melancholy nearly fado-like vocals and minimalist flamenco guitar strumming, but on other cuts her voice is exquisite and the instrumental work just lively enough.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:12 PM
― curmudgeon, Friday, 15 July 2011 16:27 (twelve years ago) link
Is there a comprehensive digital repository for 70s ECM gubbins? Preferably not streaming.
The label has a page on Bandcamp but it's barely a handful of relatively recent releases so far, AFAICT.
― Noel Emits, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 15:10 (six years ago) link
Boringly I think iTunes/Amazon are the most reliable. Qobuz have some lossless stuff but it gets pretty pricey: http://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/search?q=ecm&i=boutique&f%5Blabel%5D=ECM+Records#results
ECM stuff rarely turns up on streaming services anyway, the old album shows up for a short while on Apple Music and then disappears again.
I'd definitely pay for some sort of digital ECM subscription, either via Bandcamp or Drip or something - all new releases + curated back catalogue selections.
― bamboohouses, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 16:02 (six years ago) link
there's tons that never made it to digital in the first place, right?
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 16:28 (six years ago) link
Pandora, oddly enough, has a decent ECM catalog.
― Eazy, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 18:59 (six years ago) link
So ECM appears to have popped up on Spotify. So that's nice. Can't find Julian Priester, but Benny Maupin is there, and AEOC.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 10 November 2017 16:47 (six years ago) link
Only one AEOC album so far - Tribute To Lester. None of their 80s stuff yet.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 10 November 2017 17:03 (six years ago) link
Urban Bushmen is there, too.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 10 November 2017 17:30 (six years ago) link
And Full Force!
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 10 November 2017 17:32 (six years ago) link
Not in the US, at least not yet.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 10 November 2017 17:33 (six years ago) link
Well whaddya know, loads of ECM stuff on Apple Music in the UK now too. Hooray!
― bamboohouses, Friday, 10 November 2017 17:48 (six years ago) link
I said preferably NOT streaming damnit, Manfred.
― Noel Emits, Friday, 10 November 2017 18:04 (six years ago) link
I wish someone would do an exploratory ECM back catalog blog like the Kranky one a from few years back.
― MaresNest, Sunday, 12 November 2017 15:12 (six years ago) link
US Spotify now has Nice Guys, Urban Bushmen, and The Third Decade up, as well as Lester Bowie's All The Magic!/The One and Only and Works, and Roscoe Mitchell's Nine to Get Ready, Composition/Improvisation Nos. 1, 2 & 3, Far Side and Bells For the South Side.
― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 12 November 2017 15:20 (six years ago) link
God dammit, Eberhard Weber's early records are so beautiful, I've had a couple kicking around for years but never afforded them the proper attention, what a fool.
The Colours Of Chloë might just be the most ECM-y record of all.
― MaresNest, Tuesday, 28 November 2017 23:37 (six years ago) link
good call, I was just thinking of something to stream right now.
― calzino, Tuesday, 28 November 2017 23:45 (six years ago) link
I wonder if Joni was paying attention, some of Don Juan's Reckless Daughter is very reminiscent of Weber's music.
― MaresNest, Tuesday, 28 November 2017 23:49 (six years ago) link
I started this rather unsuccessful topic some while back.
― he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Wednesday, 29 November 2017 00:18 (six years ago) link
Nik Bärtsch's RONIN have a new album out.
― calzino, Monday, 2 April 2018 19:31 (six years ago) link
What is his best album?
― calstars, Monday, 2 April 2018 20:46 (six years ago) link
I'm undecided on that but I loved his last one Continuum, and I think both Stoa and Holon are A+. I haven't listened to his band for a while tbh. Luckily ECM are streaming now so it's easy to access his music. Although he looks disturbingly like a shaved barl-head Tony Blair - I don't judge ppl on looks!
― calzino, Monday, 2 April 2018 20:57 (six years ago) link
He also looks disconcertingly like the singer form Disturbed
Continuum is amazing and I'll probably buy this new one
― Paul Ponzi, Monday, 2 April 2018 21:25 (six years ago) link
^^^ This album is Awase Amaze.
― Tim F, Friday, 13 July 2018 08:58 (five years ago) link
yep!
― calzino, Friday, 13 July 2018 09:53 (five years ago) link
this band/composer are so consistently good, they've never put out anything less than A+ imo.
― calzino, Friday, 13 July 2018 09:55 (five years ago) link
Listened to Albanian jazz vocalise Elina Duni last weekend, really good. First vocalist on ECM or am I missing any?
― ... (Eazy), Friday, 13 July 2018 15:02 (five years ago) link
Anettete Peacock, Meredith Monk just off the top of my head
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 13 July 2018 15:05 (five years ago) link
lol Annette
June Tabor released at least one album on ECM!
― omar little, Friday, 13 July 2018 15:26 (five years ago) link
oh, there are literally loads of vocal albums.
― calzino, Friday, 13 July 2018 15:32 (five years ago) link
Thanks - I've missed these!
― ... (Eazy), Friday, 13 July 2018 15:32 (five years ago) link
SEARCH - Eberhard Weber Later That Evening 1982
― kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 26 July 2018 22:03 (five years ago) link
SEARCH — Eberhard Weber all
― (V) (°,,,,°) (V) (Austin), Thursday, 26 July 2018 22:17 (five years ago) link
searching that rn sounds great!
― niels, Friday, 27 July 2018 07:25 (five years ago) link
As mentioned by others, Elina Duni is not the first vocalist on ECM by a long shot, though she is certainly a fine one. But one ECM vocalist I feel has been overlooked, and could have been a breakout star like Duni, is Cymin Samawatie. She and her band Cyminology have recorded three fine albums on ECM, but they do not seem to have gotten much attention beyond Germany.
― Melomane, Sunday, 29 July 2018 18:37 (five years ago) link
really feeling new Tord Gustavsen album tonight, sort of textbook downbeat, bluesy ECM piano trio classicism, but quite powerful and moving stuff.
― calzino, Monday, 20 August 2018 19:19 (five years ago) link
thanks for the recommendation, sounds very good indeed
― niels, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 08:32 (five years ago) link
Happy he's returned to the trio format. Did not enjoy What Was Said at all.
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 13:09 (five years ago) link
I recently purchased a used vinyl copy of Terje Rypdal's Chaser, which is harder-edged power trio stuff, and I feel compelled to c + p this RYM review of it since I found it amusingly OTT for an ECM record.
"SIDE 1: AMBIGUITY - CRANKONCE UPON A TIME - HEROINGEYSIR - ANGEL DUSTA CLOSER LOOK - COLUMBIAN RED BUDSIDE 2: ORNEN - MAI TAI'SCHASER - JACK DANIELSTRANSITION - WHITE WINEIMAGI - BLOTTER ACIDJEFF BECK & STEVE VAI ARE TERJE'S LITTLE BITCHES!!THIS IS AVANT GARDE HEAY METAL JAZZ ROCK FUSION ORGASM!!!!!!!!!!!!!CRANK IT AND SPANK IT!!"
― Judi Dench's Human Hand (methanietanner), Friday, 21 October 2022 17:17 (one year ago) link
see thats the sort of thing i want to see on RYM, not a thousand little wannabe fantano's telling me about angular riffs and polyrhythms
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Friday, 21 October 2022 17:21 (one year ago) link
Now I want a record filled with polyriffs and angular rhythms.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 21 October 2022 17:29 (one year ago) link
i'm not really that into ecm. what you might call beat digger culture / reissue culture / balearic dj culture has certainly given it a boost, and i totally get the urge to reevaluate genres like smooth jazz, fusion and new age. seems like ecm sits comfortably at the intersection of those, they put out a million records so you can always find something in decent shape, plus they have a clean and minimal aesthetic that avoids being clinical by incorporating nature, fits nicely with the clean nature-incorporating minimal aesthetic in favor w/ hip boutiques, trendy record stores and instagrammers
anyway even though i find the label boring in general, i think everyone should check out john abercrombie / dabve holland / jack dejohnette "gateway" and abercrombie / jan hammer / dejohnette "timeless". the covers look as sedate as anything else on ecm, but it's pure jazz-rock fusion shredding, maybe comparable to mahavishnu orchestra but less triumphant in mood, instead it has a more abstracted, cerebral vibe that reminds me of certain mwandishi stuff ("crossings" maybe)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QDr-atV0Nw
― the late great, Friday, 21 October 2022 17:52 (one year ago) link
well shit, I have to check out this one
xxp
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Friday, 21 October 2022 17:55 (one year ago) link
it's not a surprise to me that Michael Mann is into Terje Rypdal. A lot of his sound is perfectly in line with noirish existential moodiness, in the best sense.
― omar little, Friday, 21 October 2022 17:56 (one year ago) link
abercrombie / jan hammer / dejohnette "timeless"
I adore the title track to this but it's probably the least "shready" and most ECMesque thing on the record.
I'm a bit like Goldilocks when it comes to ECM releases; I like a few tracks on each but much of the rest I find either too astringent or too smooth. I've listened to about 40 and maybe my favourites are Bennie Maupin's Jewel in the Lotus and the Annette Peacock record.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 21 October 2022 19:06 (one year ago) link
xps speaking of Gateway and Timeless, my favorite recent ECM discovery is Colin Walcott's Cloud Dance which features John Abercrombie, Jack DeJohnette, and Dave Holland. So it's basically a Gateway record with Walcott as leader on sitar and tabla. Pensively tripped-out space fusion with a "world music" flavor, all done as tastefully as possible. A proper journey through space and time.
Abercrombie's Timeless is an album I want to like more than I do, mainly because I'm not a huge fan timbrally of the organ Jan Hammer uses on it. I get ELP vibes, which is not what I'm looking for on an ECM record. But I can tolerate it for Abercrombie's shredding, and the synths and piano are cool. Also the title track is a total masterpiece.
― J. Sam, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 02:12 (one year ago) link
and a cool page on his own site i just spotted: https://stevetibbetts.com/my-ecm― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Friday, October 21, 2022 10:08 AM
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Friday, October 21, 2022 10:08 AM
a month late, but that's a swell link. thank you for sharing.
here's the playlist btw.
― ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Tuesday, 22 November 2022 03:00 (one year ago) link
there are a grip is sweet late 70s early 80s Ebehard Weber shows on youtube!!
this one it titehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP8_STIT0lE
― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 07:16 (one year ago) link
My difficult in appreciating <i>Timeless</i> is John Abercrombie’s slightly disparaging view of the 1970s fusion portion of his career. This style seemed to be a problem that he only solved at the end of the decade with his more traditional quartet.
― Melomane, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 09:29 (one year ago) link
xp that's an amazing set, thanks for posting! The Later That Evening band is one of his best combos. I'm also psyched to hear the Colours quartet live in San Francisco 1979.
― J. Sam, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 18:29 (one year ago) link
that SF show is off the chain unbelievable
― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 20:43 (one year ago) link
haven't heard Cloud Dance yet, but I recently fell under the spell of Walcott's Grazing Dreams from around the same time, which has Abercrombie, Don Cherry, Palle Danielsson, etc on it. really amazing, surprised I hadn't heard it, since i love those Codona records ...
― tylerw, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 20:46 (one year ago) link
saw an amazing Jan Garbarek group show last week at London Jazz Festival - Rainer Brüninghaus on piano (features on all those Eberhard W. lps i love) and Trilok Gurtu on drums/percussion/tons of other things - he in particular being one of the most mindblowing musicians i've ever seen...
perfect sound, 2 hours of non stop goodness. catch them if you can.
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 22 November 2022 21:13 (one year ago) link
Some new titles added to the Touchtone series it seems, including "What Exit" by Mark Feldman.
― EvR, Sunday, 15 January 2023 12:11 (one year ago) link
I'm interested in Third Stream / ECM style jazz and I suppose this thread is the closest, although the boundaries of this kind of fusion are probably wider. I don't understand how this style developed and took over, but it's everywhere isn't it. I had also never realized that Dolmen Music (one of my favorite records) or 18 Musicians were ECM records, but that makes sense.
Anyway, I've listened to Dave Holland, Enrico Rava, Art Ensemble of Chicago, and just now to Eberhard Weber (The Colours of Chloë) which is a beautiful, rich, lively, impressionistic record that plays a little like a prog rock suite. On the other end, I haven't found entry points into Keith Jarrett, Jan Garbarek or Anouar Brahem in the past. So err, that's my statement of intent to keep digging and try to understand the legacy of ECM.
― Nabozo, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 13:47 (one year ago) link
I still think Feldman, Satie, Cage - Rothko Chapel is one hell of a great ECM recording.
― calzino, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 14:10 (one year ago) link
I had also never realized that Dolmen Music (one of my favorite records) or 18 Musicians were ECM records, but that makes sense.
Both of those are on ECM New Series, which I think started out as a bit of a side foray into "contemporary classical" rather than "jazz" territory?
― anatol_merklich, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 19:58 (one year ago) link
i was going to say - i never really associated ecm with third stream! that might be down to my lack of familiarity with ecm and third stream in general, though
still, i always thought third stream was stuff like george russell?
― the late great, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 20:03 (one year ago) link
i think of ECM as like, "chill fusion" or maybe something like quiet storm, but with new age influences instead of disco-era r&b influences
A rare treat today. My local record store had a pile of freebies from which I was able to pilfer seven(!) ECM/Japo titles. Most of them are from the early '80s, so a bit off my radar. Really looking forward to listening with a clean slate.
The ones I picked up are:Dino Saluzzi - Kultrum (1982)Egberto Gismonti - Solo (1979)Jan Garbarek Group - Wayfarer (1983)Herbert Joos - The Philosophy of the Fluegelhorn (1974)David Holland - Life Cycle (1983)Eberhard Weber - Later that Evening (1982)Katrina Krimsky and Trevor Watts - Stella Malu (1981)
― cooldix, Sunday, 22 January 2023 08:44 (one year ago) link
Amazing haul! I like Stella Malu a lot. Have seen that Dave Holland in the wild a few times but it has always been priced a little too high for a speculative buy - free is the perfect price!
― meat and two vdgg (emsworth), Sunday, 22 January 2023 20:06 (one year ago) link
Svante Henryson has to be the only ECM recording artist that was a former member of Yngwie Malmsteen's Rising Force.
This is one of the more odd musical connections I recently found out about.
― earlnash, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 19:23 (one year ago) link
One of the great pleasures of record shopping these days is regularly finding forgotten ECM gems for super cheap. A few days ago I picked up a nice vinyl copy of Ralph Towner's second Solstice album, Sound and Shadows for $2. It's darker and more subdued than the first one but just as good to my ears. Lovely flute work from Garbarek on the last track, and Weber's bass is sublimely liquid as usual.
― J. Sam, Tuesday, 13 June 2023 15:27 (ten months ago) link
i just picked up Garbarek's Dis the other day for $4, well worth iit
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 19:27 (ten months ago) link
surprised i hadn't heard it before (since I'm a big codona fan), but I picked up Collin Walcott's Grazing Dreams recently — extremely sweet stuff w/ don cherry, abercrombie, palle danielsson, etc.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 20:09 (ten months ago) link
Really enjoying Kenny Wheeler’s "Around 6" from 1980. The opening track is somewhat stereotypical ECM (i.e. very melodic), and that goes on for several minutes. But then comes an Evan Parker freakout that veers into free jazz. I’m sure this horrified some listeners, but I love it.
― Melomane, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 23:14 (ten months ago) link
Came across this stunning record, Jakob Bro & Joe Lovano's tribute to Paul Motian. Two drummers (Joey Baron and Jorge Rossy) and THREE bassists, but it still manages to be delicate and spacious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8lvPNG-vsQ
https://ecmrecords.com/product/once-around-the-room-a-tribute-to-paul-motian-jakob-bro-joe-lovano/#tab_description
― 50 Favorite Jordans (Jordan), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 14:23 (seven months ago) link
Been going through some of my ECM LPs and Rainer Bruninghaus’ Freigeweht feels like a peak of some sort of ECM feeling that I love - beautiful recording, lots of tastefully deployed synths, smooth playing and a production sheen over everything but also real sort of uneasy… like I feel it is reductive to describe this stuff through the prism of Soundtrack-ness, but it could be the soundtrack to some inscrutable UK sci fi film from 1983… like if they had filmed A Dream of Wessex maybe
Anyway it is so good
― Kraal Disorientation Chamber (emsworth), Saturday, 23 March 2024 00:16 (four weeks ago) link