Rush: Classic or Dud?

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Oh dear, where did my line breaks go...

Phil, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Childhood memories
Older brother worships them
Despite this, they ROCK

Dan Perry, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Repeated listens
Render it annoying, eh
Still, sentimental

Sean Carruthers, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
I'm so bored tonight that I'm reading vintage "classic or dud"'s, and I have to say that the stipulation of submitting answers in haiku format is pure, unhomogenized genius. More please!

Alex in NYC, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Objectivist Rock a la Ayn Rand = DUD!

Jack Cole, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Gen-i-us?" You would say that,
Since you started it!

Jeff W, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink


da BA BA BA BA da-da

BA da BA BA BA...

Joe, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Neil Peart squeals, righteous in his Objectivist zeal but all their songs suck

Shaky Mo Collier, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Drummers Who Write songs
Didn't make Hüsker Dü suck
it was Geddy's voice.

Mr Noodles, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
They may be cheesy
But add rocking conviction
Who else but Rush eh?

piers (piers), Friday, 8 October 2004 04:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Rush sucks my big dick
Geddy lee is a scourge on Earth
prog rock motherfucks

The TAO that can be Posted is not the TAO! (The Tao that can be Posted is), Friday, 8 October 2004 04:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

more rush haikus please

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 8 October 2004 04:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Andrew L missed the whole point of "Spirit of Radio"! TAO: Your second line would actually fit haiku conventions if you made it "Geddy is a scourge on Earth".

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 8 October 2004 04:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Fly by night limelight
Too many notes played at once
Blame's on Toronto

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 8 October 2004 05:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

thank you sweet sundar, you are correct. that is what i meant to do. *tries to awkwardly plant a kiss on sundar's cheek and is promptly slapped on the face* ouch.

The TAO that can be Posted is not the TAO! (The Tao that can be Posted is), Friday, 8 October 2004 05:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Ayn Rand prog rockin'
Canadian eunuch squeals
You people so dumb!

Confucius, Friday, 8 October 2004 06:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

moving pictures has
the very worst cover art
which is such a shame

subdivisions rocks
which counters all that i've been
told about this band

the lyrics are too
obvious but what can you
expect from hosers?

derrick (derrick), Friday, 8 October 2004 06:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

'Limelight' licks are great
'Signals' is a true classic
The rest smells like wee

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Friday, 8 October 2004 07:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Once I crossed the street
Geddy Lee almost hit me
In his Land Rover

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Friday, 8 October 2004 07:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

CLASSIC as long as this man was Prime Minister:

DUD thereafter

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 8 October 2004 09:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

[...wish I coulda found a picture of him riding on a train & flipping off protesters thru the window!]

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 8 October 2004 09:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Rush is good
for opening up my pooper
so other men can do me

Good Dog, Friday, 8 October 2004 10:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

. . . Or maybe not

If rednecks didn't like them
They'd be Kraftwerk-hip


Less boy or girl than
Alien; Precise

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

fact checkin cuz to thread

sleep (sleep), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Songs(works) and arrangements: Classic
Lyrics and vocals: Dud

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 8 October 2004 22:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I love Rush probably more than any other band....I don't think there BETTER than alot of bands, but they were a big part of my childhood....

Great band, I think.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 8 October 2004 22:50 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Young Black Teenagers
Seeking the phattest of shit
Sample Tom Sawyer

dlp9001, Saturday, 9 October 2004 00:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

has anyone seen the episode of "trailer park boys" where they kidnap alex liefson?
i gained new respect for the man after watching that.

m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Saturday, 9 October 2004 13:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I have no haiku to offer which I why I didn't say anything before. But great, of course.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 9 October 2004 13:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i was at a party with some guys who were really entranced with some kind of video of stevie ray vaughn stranglin' the blues back in the '80s. doo-rags. these guys were such geeks, glued to the tube while there were girls to hit on and barbecue to scarf. then they got into "moving pictures," talking about the "production values" and saying things like "you can't deny the musicianship," while trying to be "ironic" about the whole stinkin' thing. typical night with people in nashville trying to be hip about not being hip or whatever that convolution is. then, everyone got drunk the host attempted to explain the shaggs to these geeks and everyone *listened hard and they got it*!! ahh. so, rush sucks and that's it, that's just like being "ironic" about kiss or worryin' about montgomery gentry, i think (as in the video where that goober takes off his cowboy hat to reveal an expensive-looking doo-rag/headwrap of some kind), and only the man upstairs can say whether rush is great or not...yes, rush did a record of covers i understand includes a version of eddie cochran's summertime blues done like blue cheer! so, they have roots like the rest of us, cuz.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 9 October 2004 15:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

worst. voice. ever.

oops (Oops), Sunday, 10 October 2004 00:00 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

No, that is Brian Johnson, Robert Plant or Bruce Dickinson. But Geddy Lee's voice is not far behind.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 10 October 2004 00:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

As a band: dud. As a rite of passage: classic.
-- scott p (scot...), June 21st, 2001.

the wisdom in this succinct observation is humid. i loved rush until i discovered indie and punk rock in high school. hearing that particularly melodramatic cut "the trees" (i think that's the title) is still powerfully evocative of my 13-15 years, playing D&D, obsessing about securing issue # 202 of Spiderman, and committing to memory SNL lines. so i'll grant my meaningless benediction upon Rush in the same manner as the astute scott p.

j.m. lockery (j.m. lockery), Sunday, 10 October 2004 02:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Rush: Sophomore Lit.
texts become some deep and
meaningful lyrics.

Edward Bax, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 19:10 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"Red Barchetta" plays
on radio, Rush fan gets
a speeding ticket.

Edward Bax, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 19:10 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Fans debate how to
say Peart. Does it sound like "pert"?
No, it rhymes with "near".

Edward Bax, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 19:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Here: Rush's real names
Alex Zivojinovic
Gary Lee Weinrib

Edward Bax, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 19:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink


Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 19:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink


NEE nee nerr

That's my "Tom Sawyer" tribute. They should have collaborated with Gary Numan. Maybe there's still time.

Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 19:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

They sort of define dud, don't they?

Burr (Burr), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 22:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

They define "dude," as in, one kid goes, "Dude, check out Neil's drum solo." Other kid nods in appreciation: "Duuuuuuude." I guess with each passing year I like them less than I did when I was 15, but I still wonder what people who dislike them aren't hearing. Maybe they haven't heard "Natural Science," or "Hemispheres," or "The Camera Eye." I guess Geddy's voice can be annoying but so can Neil Young's and Johnny Rotten's.

clark, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 22:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Canadian crap
You hosers should have stayed home
why why oh god why?

The TAO that can be Posted is not the TAO! (The Tao that can be Posted is), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 23:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Rush shall be absolved
of all sonic crimes because
"Working Man" kicks ass

Will (will), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 00:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

rickenbacker bass
slingerland and tama drums
gibsons for alex

(uh, not that i knew very much about 'em)

naturalaw-dp, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 16:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Second-string classic
opening for Aerosmith.
As headliner, dud.

briania (briania), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 16:27 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Anthem, In the End
Best I Can and Bastille Day
-songs neil ain't write, joe

naturalaw-dp, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 16:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

A sad but true fact :
No women, none, anywhere
Are fans of Rush. None.

udu wudu (udu wudu), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 17:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Geddy had the suaveness:
'Hey baby, the hour is late, I
feel I've got to groove'

Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 17:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Geddy got his name
When his immigrant mother
Mispronounced "Gary"

I do enjoy them
Since, unlike so much prog-rock
They have some real hooks.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 17:50 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Read an interview
Where Peart described some of his
Practice methods. Wow.

And I don't mean to
Be facetious. That stuff was
Cool to a young me.

Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 17:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I get the impression that Bruford is far more proud of his work with King Crimson than he is of his work with Yes. It's almost as if he sees his stint with Yes as a warm-up for the main event.

― music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Monday, April 10, 2017 8:33 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

He's implied as much. In the BBC "Prog Britannia" documentary he said that Yes made a few records that led up to The Great Album, which was Close To The Edge. Once they'd reached that, he felt his work was done, so he split. I think, though, that he very much preferred the atmosphere in King Crimson in which, as he put it, "almost nothing was said. You were just supposed to know what to do." This was in stark contrast to Yes' endless discussions along the lines of "Wait, but if you're playing F# in that section, shouldn't I be playing A? Or not?"

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 10 April 2017 14:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

honestly, everyone who was in KC (from the point Bruford joined) seem like sensible, honest, talented musicians as opposed to almost everyone in Yes who seem like egomaniac assholes.

akm, Monday, 10 April 2017 14:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

Yeah, I get the feeling that in Yes, with everything being intricately arranged, that certain members would have a tendency to get precious about their parts or their material etc. King Crimson seems more "free", I guess, the type of band where people have room to express themselves, even if Fripp is ultimately the gaffer. music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Monday, 10 April 2017 15:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

I got an email today offering tickets to a Yes show in October that will include Jon Anderson, Rick Wakeman, and Trevor Rabin.

Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and Violent J (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 10 April 2017 15:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

much as I like his playing on both Yes and KC records, IMO Bruford seems a bit of priss about some things. He's got a snobbiness that, say, Neal Peart absolutely doesn't.

Dominique, Monday, 10 April 2017 15:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

but I've been trying to have beef with him for some time now so

Dominique, Monday, 10 April 2017 15:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

I think Fripp and his approach are so disciplined that you have to sort of align with his vision to fit in at all, and once you do that (and assuming you have the chops) the rest is relatively "easy," albeit still rigorous. Whereas with Yes, yeah, the challenge is everyone fitting their little bits of the puzzle in, which is how you end up with frantic songs and complicated side-long epics. To Yes's credit (and I'm at best a casual fan) their tracks and epics all sort of cohere despite that, as opposed to a band like, say, Metallica, who is very much A -part, B-part, C-part etc.

Since this is a Rush thread I should say that I've always been amazed at Rush's ability to go compact and concise. All their parts just make sense, and that they can fit so many ideas in 5-minute, hook-filled songs is pretty incredible. But then, I only think of them as a nominal prog band with only a couple of albums that fit the part, imo.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 10 April 2017 15:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

I am 46 and time stands still is making my eyes tear up rn, what can ya do.

So glad I got to see these guys one time but I wish I'd made it to more than that.

iris marduk (Jon not Jon), Monday, 10 April 2017 16:46 (eight months ago) Permalink


Oh yeah, I have no doubt that Bruford is a little bit of a snob about certain things... I get the feeling that Bruford would find playing in a basic rock band where all the songs are in 4/4 beneath him, whereas Peart would have no problem with the idea. music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Monday, 10 April 2017 16:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

Early 70s interviews with Bruford are incredibly posh.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 10 April 2017 16:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

Wakeman's speech is hilarious (apart from the bit about his wife). Still puncturing his bandmate's pomposity to the end. And yeah, Geddy was awesome.

Jeff W, Monday, 10 April 2017 19:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

Reminds me of the Amadeus film, "I'm a vulgar man but my music is not".

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 10 April 2017 20:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

if geddy stepped in as the permanent Yes bassist I'd have no issues with that. I hate Billy Sherwood

Anderson et all released a press release today stating that going forward ARW are known as "Yes featuring Jon Anderson, Trevor kRabin,and Rick Wakeman". We'll see how long before Yes freak out and sue them, although apparently that's how they were being booked and promoted in europe already.

akm, Monday, 10 April 2017 21:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Wish that Sam Dunn documentary had a bigger variety of fans like Stephen Malkmus and Nicky Wire.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 6 May 2017 20:11 (seven months ago) Permalink

He's a metal dude, and doesn't have much knowledge of much outside that scene. But yes, some output from outside metal/hard rock would have been cool to see.

A. Begrand, Saturday, 6 May 2017 21:35 (seven months ago) Permalink

I do like his stuff generally but I wonder if he sometimes pretends to know less than he does. Like in the power metal episode he sounded like he knew absolutely nothing about the genre and that doesn't seem possible.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 6 May 2017 21:43 (seven months ago) Permalink

two months pass...


reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 14 July 2017 20:13 (five months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 29 October 2017 17:55 (one month ago) Permalink

I don't know where to see the whole thing, but there are bits of clips and stuff:

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 29 October 2017 18:01 (one month ago) Permalink

Wish that Sam Dunn documentary had a bigger variety of fans like Stephen Malkmus and Nicky Wire.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, May 6, 2017 8:11 PM (five months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ha, yes! Manic Street Preachers got the title of their album Lifeblood from one of the last lyrics on '2112' ("my lifeblood spills over") and the title track of Journal For Plague Lovers is blatantly influenced by 'The Spirit of Radio' ...

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Sunday, 29 October 2017 18:40 (one month ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

Amazing. "Three new species of microbe found in the guts of termites have been named after members of the Canadian prog-rock band Rush, owing to the microbes’ long hair and rhythmic wriggling under the microscope." (h/t @annielogue)

— Annie Zaleski (@anniezaleski) November 27, 2017

mookieproof, Monday, 27 November 2017 19:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink

man I've been pretty into rush this past week out of the blue. really a shame I never managed to see them live.

akm, Monday, 27 November 2017 23:44 (two weeks ago) Permalink

They were good but you didn't miss much, imo. They were famous - and justly so - for replicating the studio versions pretty much perfectly.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 28 November 2017 01:13 (two weeks ago) Permalink

You didn't really get much in the way of per se surprises but you did feel the general enthusiasm live for sure -- perfect balance between technical flash and heartland arena rock vibes leavened with a bit of humor as it went. Good working formula!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 November 2017 01:56 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Actually, the best experience of seeing Rush live was being in a big place surrounded by other dorks really into Rush. That and watching people try to air drum/bass/guitar at the same time.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 28 November 2017 03:25 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I'm listening to Counterparts for the first time, at least the reissue on Spotify. I always avoided it because I hated "Nobody's Hero". I still skipped that song, but, otherwise, I'm surprised by how much I actually really like this. Mostly not that different mainstream rock of the early 90s (which I have a nostalgic spot for) but the playing elevates it, pushes the songs ahead, and the sound is clear and muscular. Lifeson esp sounds great. Solos on "Alien Shore" (esp) and "Cold Fire" are great and "Leave That Thing Alone" is up there with the back catalogue.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, 4 December 2017 17:23 (one week ago) Permalink

I think that was a record they did after hearing a lot of the bands they'd inspired, like Primus. I remember hearing the lead single "Stick It Out" and thinking, wow they're finally coming back! iirc album as a whole not *tons* better than the ones preceding it, but it was a kind of "welcome to the 90s" for them.

Dominique, Monday, 4 December 2017 17:31 (one week ago) Permalink

Counterparts is one of my favorite Rush albums. Thought it was a big step up from Hold Your Fire, Presto, and Roll The Bones.

Moodles, Monday, 4 December 2017 19:31 (one week ago) Permalink

It was consciously their "return to guitar" record, iirc.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 4 December 2017 19:42 (one week ago) Permalink

I did a buddy of mine's taxes one year and his payment was taking me to see Rush on the Counterparts tour! They were so good that tour.

BlackIronPrison, Monday, 4 December 2017 19:44 (one week ago) Permalink

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