Rush: Classic or Dud?

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Oh dear, where did my line breaks go...

Phil, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Childhood memories
Older brother worships them
Despite this, they ROCK

Dan Perry, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Repeated listens
Render it annoying, eh
Still, sentimental

Sean Carruthers, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
I'm so bored tonight that I'm reading vintage "classic or dud"'s, and I have to say that the stipulation of submitting answers in haiku format is pure, unhomogenized genius. More please!

Alex in NYC, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Objectivist Rock a la Ayn Rand = DUD!

Jack Cole, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"Unhomogenised
Gen-i-us?" You would say that,
Since you started it!

Jeff W, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

BA da BA BA BA

da BA BA BA BA da-da

BA da BA BA BA...

Joe, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Neil Peart squeals, righteous in his Objectivist zeal but all their songs suck

Shaky Mo Collier, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Drummers Who Write songs
Didn't make Hüsker Dü suck
it was Geddy's voice.

Mr Noodles, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
They may be cheesy
But add rocking conviction
Who else but Rush eh?

piers (piers), Friday, 8 October 2004 04:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Rush sucks my big dick
Geddy lee is a scourge on Earth
prog rock motherfucks

The TAO that can be Posted is not the TAO! (The Tao that can be Posted is), Friday, 8 October 2004 04:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

more rush haikus please

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 8 October 2004 04:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Andrew L missed the whole point of "Spirit of Radio"! TAO: Your second line would actually fit haiku conventions if you made it "Geddy is a scourge on Earth".

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 8 October 2004 04:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Fly by night limelight
Too many notes played at once
Blame's on Toronto

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 8 October 2004 05:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

thank you sweet sundar, you are correct. that is what i meant to do. *tries to awkwardly plant a kiss on sundar's cheek and is promptly slapped on the face* ouch.

The TAO that can be Posted is not the TAO! (The Tao that can be Posted is), Friday, 8 October 2004 05:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Ayn Rand prog rockin'
Canadian eunuch squeals
You people so dumb!

Confucius, Friday, 8 October 2004 06:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

moving pictures has
the very worst cover art
which is such a shame

subdivisions rocks
which counters all that i've been
told about this band

the lyrics are too
obvious but what can you
expect from hosers?

derrick (derrick), Friday, 8 October 2004 06:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

'Limelight' licks are great
'Signals' is a true classic
The rest smells like wee

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Friday, 8 October 2004 07:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Once I crossed the street
Geddy Lee almost hit me
In his Land Rover

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Friday, 8 October 2004 07:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

CLASSIC as long as this man was Prime Minister:

http://www.clevernet.on.ca/pierre_trudeau/images/pic_trudeau_beer.jpg

DUD thereafter

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 8 October 2004 09:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

[...wish I coulda found a picture of him riding on a train & flipping off protesters thru the window!]

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 8 October 2004 09:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Rush is good
for opening up my pooper
so other men can do me

Good Dog, Friday, 8 October 2004 10:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

. . . Or maybe not

Space-jazz-rock-tronic
If rednecks didn't like them
They'd be Kraftwerk-hip

Geddyvox

Less boy or girl than
Alien; Precise
Enunciation

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

fact checkin cuz to thread

sleep (sleep), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Songs(works) and arrangements: Classic
Lyrics and vocals: Dud

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 8 October 2004 22:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I love Rush probably more than any other band....I don't think there BETTER than alot of bands, but they were a big part of my childhood....

Great band, I think.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 8 October 2004 22:50 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Young Black Teenagers
Seeking the phattest of shit
Sample Tom Sawyer

dlp9001, Saturday, 9 October 2004 00:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

has anyone seen the episode of "trailer park boys" where they kidnap alex liefson?
i gained new respect for the man after watching that.

m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Saturday, 9 October 2004 13:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I have no haiku to offer which I why I didn't say anything before. But great, of course.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 9 October 2004 13:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i was at a party with some guys who were really entranced with some kind of video of stevie ray vaughn stranglin' the blues back in the '80s. doo-rags. these guys were such geeks, glued to the tube while there were girls to hit on and barbecue to scarf. then they got into "moving pictures," talking about the "production values" and saying things like "you can't deny the musicianship," while trying to be "ironic" about the whole stinkin' thing. typical night with people in nashville trying to be hip about not being hip or whatever that convolution is. then, everyone got drunk the host attempted to explain the shaggs to these geeks and everyone *listened hard and they got it*!! ahh. so, rush sucks and that's it, that's just like being "ironic" about kiss or worryin' about montgomery gentry, i think (as in the video where that goober takes off his cowboy hat to reveal an expensive-looking doo-rag/headwrap of some kind), and only the man upstairs can say whether rush is great or not...yes, rush did a record of covers i understand includes a version of eddie cochran's summertime blues done like blue cheer! so, they have roots like the rest of us, cuz.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 9 October 2004 15:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

worst. voice. ever.

oops (Oops), Sunday, 10 October 2004 00:00 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

No, that is Brian Johnson, Robert Plant or Bruce Dickinson. But Geddy Lee's voice is not far behind.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 10 October 2004 00:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

As a band: dud. As a rite of passage: classic.
-- scott p (scot...), June 21st, 2001.

the wisdom in this succinct observation is humid. i loved rush until i discovered indie and punk rock in high school. hearing that particularly melodramatic cut "the trees" (i think that's the title) is still powerfully evocative of my 13-15 years, playing D&D, obsessing about securing issue # 202 of Spiderman, and committing to memory SNL lines. so i'll grant my meaningless benediction upon Rush in the same manner as the astute scott p.

j.m. lockery (j.m. lockery), Sunday, 10 October 2004 02:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Rush: Sophomore Lit.
texts become some deep and
meaningful lyrics.

Edward Bax, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 19:10 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"Red Barchetta" plays
on radio, Rush fan gets
a speeding ticket.

Edward Bax, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 19:10 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Fans debate how to
say Peart. Does it sound like "pert"?
No, it rhymes with "near".

Edward Bax, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 19:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Here: Rush's real names
Alex Zivojinovic
Gary Lee Weinrib

Edward Bax, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 19:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

hahaha

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 19:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Classic.

NEER-neer-neener-neener
NEE nee nerr
NEER-neer-neener-neener...

That's my "Tom Sawyer" tribute. They should have collaborated with Gary Numan. Maybe there's still time.

Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 19:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

They sort of define dud, don't they?

Burr (Burr), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 22:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

They define "dude," as in, one kid goes, "Dude, check out Neil's drum solo." Other kid nods in appreciation: "Duuuuuuude." I guess with each passing year I like them less than I did when I was 15, but I still wonder what people who dislike them aren't hearing. Maybe they haven't heard "Natural Science," or "Hemispheres," or "The Camera Eye." I guess Geddy's voice can be annoying but so can Neil Young's and Johnny Rotten's.

clark, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 22:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Canadian crap
You hosers should have stayed home
why why oh god why?

The TAO that can be Posted is not the TAO! (The Tao that can be Posted is), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 23:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Rush shall be absolved
of all sonic crimes because
"Working Man" kicks ass

Will (will), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 00:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

rickenbacker bass
slingerland and tama drums
gibsons for alex

(uh, not that i knew very much about 'em)

naturalaw-dp, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 16:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Second-string classic
opening for Aerosmith.
As headliner, dud.

briania (briania), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 16:27 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Anthem, In the End
Best I Can and Bastille Day
-songs neil ain't write, joe

naturalaw-dp, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 16:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

A sad but true fact :
No women, none, anywhere
Are fans of Rush. None.

udu wudu (udu wudu), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 17:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Geddy had the suaveness:
'Hey baby, the hour is late, I
feel I've got to groove'

Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 17:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Geddy got his name
When his immigrant mother
Mispronounced "Gary"

I do enjoy them
Since, unlike so much prog-rock
They have some real hooks.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 17:50 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Read an interview
Where Peart described some of his
Practice methods. Wow.

And I don't mean to
Be facetious. That stuff was
Cool to a young me.

Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 17:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Time Stand Still is literally next! But yeah, there are couple lesser tracks before Prime Mover, Mission and Turn the Page. Still love the record, but a step down from Power Windows and a big step up to Presto, the latter of which I would argue is the apex of their songwriting, conventionally speaking.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 5 January 2018 03:51 (one month ago) Permalink

but a step down from Power Windows and a big step up to Presto, the latter of which I would argue is the apex of their songwriting, conventionally speaking.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, January 4, 2018 9:51 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the way this is phrased lost me a little in terms of which album is better than which

Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 5 January 2018 14:54 (one month ago) Permalink

Power WIndows>Presto>>>Hold Your Fire.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 5 January 2018 15:06 (one month ago) Permalink

HYF would be a killer 40-minute album. Subtle changes already when looking at the shift towards CD, even from 1985.

(I bet that for many fans at the time, HYF was the Rush album they first bought on CD)

Master of Treacle, Friday, 5 January 2018 15:13 (one month ago) Permalink

I think A Show of Hands was the first Rush album I bought when it came out, which perhaps explains my affinity for Hold Your Fire.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 5 January 2018 17:22 (one month ago) Permalink

Presto might be more consistent but the highs on Hold Your Fire are WAY higher and way more memorable than most Presto songs therefore I would take HYF over Presto

Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 5 January 2018 17:58 (one month ago) Permalink

I agree. I like HYF slightly more than Presto because the good songs are really good, but there are plenty of not-so-good songs. There are more consistently decent songs on Presto (still plenty of clunkers), but none of them really thrill me. Roll The Bones has about 4 solid tracks and the rest are pretty much garbage. Also, I don't love the production on HYF, but I actively hate the sound of Presto and RTB.

Moodles, Friday, 5 January 2018 18:28 (one month ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B52bvzudAvQ

mookieproof, Saturday, 13 January 2018 02:11 (one month ago) Permalink

I think reaction videos are weird, and that is not the first of these I've seen for YYZ, but awesome to see the enthusiasm, and even better to watch the awestruck reactions coming right when you'd expect them too. And now I am thinking of Michael Jackson, too.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 13 January 2018 04:29 (one month ago) Permalink

"i feel cool as hell listening to this"

budo jeru, Saturday, 13 January 2018 04:32 (one month ago) Permalink

Thanks a lot for sending me down the youtube rabbit hole. This dude covering "Emotion Detector" (maybe my favorite deep cut) is awesome, not least because he focuses on the Moog foot pedals. Not that the foot part is hard or anything, but it's nice to see what someone's, well, feet might be up to during this, and imagine how hard it would be for Geddy to sing, play bass, play synths and do this somewhat syncopated pedal bass part as well, all at the same time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPcSC2BHTuU

Needless to say, one of a relatively small handful of songs Rush never played live.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 13 January 2018 04:42 (one month ago) Permalink

Haha, just found the long list of songs they never played live:

I feel like I post this a lot in this sub, but here's the list of every song that they've never played live.
*Take A Friend
*Before And After
*Making Memories
*Rivendell
*The Fountain Of Lamneth
*Lessons
*Tears
*Madrigal
*Different Strings
*Emotion Detector
*Open Secrets
*Second Nature
*Tai Shan
*High Water
*Chain Lighting
*Anagram
*Red Tide
*Hand Over Fist
*Available Light
*Face Up
*The Big Wheel
*Heresy
*Neurotica
*You Bet Your Life
*Cut To The Chase
*Alien Shore
*Speed Of Love
*Everyday Glory
*The Color Of Right
*Totem
*Dog Years
*Carve Away The Stone
*Peaceable Kingdom
*The Stars Look Down
*How It Is
*Vapor Trail
*Sweet Miracle
*Nocturne
*Freeze
*Out Of The Cradle
*Bravest Face
*Good News First
*We Hold On

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 13 January 2018 04:45 (one month ago) Permalink

And now I am thinking of Michael Jackson, too.

I'd never made that connection before, but yeah, Rush were apparently big fans of Off The Wall.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 13 January 2018 13:17 (one month ago) Permalink

That "YYZ" video is great. They really nail it when they point out that it doesn't sound like anything else. A large part of Moving Pictures' appeal is that it feels almost completely sui generis. Tracks like "YYZ", and "Tom Sawyer" even more, just feel like they have no antecedent, no previous songs that you can point to as an influence.

Moodles, Saturday, 13 January 2018 16:31 (one month ago) Permalink

Well, I think you can find antecedents. What makes it so ingenious is that in a certain way it's sort of a prog pastiche, but they hide it super well, and a musical sense of humor, rare as that is in the first place, goes a long way. Also, brevity is the soul of wit.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 13 January 2018 16:49 (one month ago) Permalink

That's a real shame they've never played "The Fountain Of Lamneth" or "Madrigal".

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 13 January 2018 18:36 (one month ago) Permalink

Weirdest was when they didn't play "Losing It" on the tour that had a string section! They did it once or twice on the last tour, I guess.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 13 January 2018 18:56 (one month ago) Permalink

forget burn out or fade away, the best way to go is just to stop, ideally on top.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 20:35 (one month ago) Permalink

surprised they didn't chain lightning on the presto tour, that's one of the best songs on the album imo

bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 20 January 2018 21:42 (one month ago) Permalink

Guitar solo possibly unplayable?

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 21:53 (one month ago) Permalink

heh yeah it is really "out there" like super fripp/belew/reeves gabriel shit

bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 20 January 2018 22:10 (one month ago) Permalink

I think it just might be backwards!

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 22:24 (one month ago) Permalink

heh yeah it is really "out there" like super fripp/belew/reeves gabriel shit

― bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown

how do guitarists rate Gabrels?

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 January 2018 22:33 (one month ago) Permalink

I am not much of a guitarist, but I have never liked him, from when the first Tin Machine album came out on.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 22:46 (one month ago) Permalink

wait, when did rush play "i think i'm going bald" live?

Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Saturday, 20 January 2018 23:53 (one month ago) Permalink

Reeves Gabrels is seemingly a very charming, wonderful person. Now that he lives in Nashville, it's weird to see him popping up in the comments of my friends' facebook posts just like no biggie.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 20 January 2018 23:59 (one month ago) Permalink

i def remember him being one of the "weird guitar mag" dudes that would get props like Belew, Fripp, Vernon Reid, Alan Holdsworth, Zappa

bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 21 January 2018 01:15 (one month ago) Permalink

xpost Huh, yeah, I don't know if they ever played "Bald" live. I saw this: "Along with "The Fountain of Lamneth" it is widely believed to never have been played live, although there are no known records of when they headlined during the "Down The Tubes Tour" (Caress of Steel) so they may have been played live."

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 21 January 2018 02:16 (one month ago) Permalink

i'm glad they got to stop just being the butt of stupid jokes way before they called it quits

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhVJEKb_xG8

\m/

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 14:57 (four weeks ago) Permalink


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