WestWorld: ...Where nothing can possibly go worng!

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Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 21:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I think this is the best movie poster ever:

but still, these are awesome.

cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 21:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink


cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 21:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 22:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Yl Brynnr.

adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 22:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i'll do nothing of the sort.

jones (actual), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 22:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i have seen this film two times. both times i was high.


adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 22:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

cozen's brynner bio upthread is ribald & delightful but what does it mean??

jones (actual), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 23:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

i can't seem to find futureworld on DVD anywhere (it isn't available on Netflix).

anyway, i wonder if crichton's death means that there won't be a remake after all -- the original is a fun little movie. the obvious comparison would be to jurassic park, but i wonder if westworld also had some influence on the terminator (to wit, the relentless robot that can't be stopped absent a malfunction) or even the nightmare on elm street series (yul brynner with his melting face and on fire seems very freddy krueger-esque).

Eisbär (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 31 December 2008 16:55 (ten years ago) Permalink

Amazed this hasn't been remade yet. Happy it hasn't but seems like a surefire property for a cgi happy retread.

Billy Dods, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 17:10 (ten years ago) Permalink

Just now remembering exactly how postmodern this movie is.

Vault Boy Bobblehead - Drinking (kingfish), Wednesday, 31 December 2008 17:13 (ten years ago) Permalink

six years pass...


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Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 1 October 2015 12:41 (three years ago) Permalink

i can't seem to find futureworld on DVD anywhere (it isn't available on Netflix).

it was on (perhaps only UK) Netflix at least for a little bit. i must admit though I couldn't finish it.

please don't shampoo your eyes (stevie), Thursday, 1 October 2015 12:55 (three years ago) Permalink


Sex World! Go on a spree.
Sex World! Come here with me.
All you desire, we have for hire;
You'll turn to fire, we guarantee.

Sex World! Do what you will.
Sex World! You'll have your fill.
Give us your trust; climb on our bus;
Leave the loving to us, so great it will be.

Sex World! Let's make a date.
Sex World! Don't hesitate.
You'll find your love, below or above,
At Sex World, my God! Just wait and see...

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 1 October 2015 12:59 (three years ago) Permalink

Futureworld currently available as a Region 2 DVD in Fopp for £3

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 1 October 2015 13:30 (three years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

who the hell was demanding an HBO series of this?


helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 June 2016 17:23 (two years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Who's ready? I'm ready. The casting is so overcooked, this has nowhere to go but sideways. I can't imagine it being good.

Also, great chance to plug Artificial intelligence still has some way to go - the thread that will still be here when it stops being true

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Monday, 5 September 2016 00:57 (two years ago) Permalink

the cast means i'll def check out the first few episodes

im a big fan of jeffrey wright recently

I know hoes that know Ali Farka Toure (voodoo chili), Monday, 5 September 2016 01:11 (two years ago) Permalink

I rewatched the film a few months ago, it is not "great."

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 September 2016 02:13 (two years ago) Permalink

i did like how Dick van Patten has maybe the 5th-biggest role, and perhaps 10-12 lines of dialogue

Yul is awesome obviously

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 September 2016 02:15 (two years ago) Permalink


yeah, I feel like there's almost no way this isn't incredibly stupid


Number None, Wednesday, 14 September 2016 06:39 (two years ago) Permalink


dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Wednesday, 14 September 2016 13:51 (two years ago) Permalink

someone told me ed brubaker is a writer on this... true?

I wish you could see my home. It's... it's so... exciting (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 14 September 2016 15:05 (two years ago) Permalink

looks like it!

I've enjoyed Vincenzo Natali's tv directing work, so the episode that credits Brubaker as primary writer and him as director sounds promising

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Wednesday, 14 September 2016 15:10 (two years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

I think they may have broken some kind of record for Idiot Plot in a television series - only 40 minutes in and you have a dude interrupting his boss to say "Isn't this a Bad Idea?"
Followed by the schtick villain played by Ed Harris doing schtick and then uh

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Monday, 3 October 2016 01:47 (two years ago) Permalink

Oh maybe next week they'll use string arrangements of songs that have the color "blue" or "white!"

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Monday, 3 October 2016 02:00 (two years ago) Permalink

Anyway, I think I can dig it, even if it does turn out that Jeffrey Wright and/or Sidse Knudsen turn out to be robots, which btw I'm just calling that now
If they DO run with the color-by-song-title arranged-for-faux-period-instruments idea, I think I'll actually end up liking it even more

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Monday, 3 October 2016 02:32 (two years ago) Permalink

helped by the fact that I was expecting a hot mess, I enjoyed that. I wonder if it was the pilot or the subsequent episodes that HBO had to retool?

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 3 October 2016 04:04 (two years ago) Permalink

the review I read that said it was kind of formless for four episodes... what kind of narrative devices and exposition are these people looking for?

already starting to get the suspicion that stockpiling all your decommissioned androids in the basement, when the glitchy oldest models have been known to just "wake up," might not be the best idea

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, 3 October 2016 14:18 (two years ago) Permalink

imo Anthony Hopkins is the surprise android out there in the world, and the original creator is in cold storage or dead somewhere

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, 3 October 2016 14:19 (two years ago) Permalink

watching the original film, a couple of funny moments. The scientists / engineers around a table.. "in some cases the robots have been designed by other computers. We don't know exactly how they work." ?! WHAT

James Brolin looks like Patrick Bateman

Yul Brynner so creepy

calstars, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 01:28 (two years ago) Permalink

1880s American Psycho

calstars, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 01:32 (two years ago) Permalink

"check all the snake central mechanisms during tonight's repair period."

calstars, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 01:44 (two years ago) Permalink

this is about like sex robots in the old west or something right

Treeship, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 02:00 (two years ago) Permalink

I think post-LOST sci-fi television really needs to quit it with the obvious tvtropes.com twist-begging garbage. I want to like this show, but we're being set up for:

* There's a DELOS globe in the sub-basement. Delos destinations! So the old west is just one, hmm hmm wonder what else is out there

* None of the "guests" have any home life that we get to see - nobody really doing a departure from future NYC, nobody changing into their period wardrobe, etc. OMG IS IT EVEN ON EARTH? IS ANYONE oh oh oh oh

* Wait up folks what if they're ALL ROBOTS?

I desperately hope there's no pan away to space, no obvious reveal that Jeffrey Wright is really an android, or god forbid some bullshit about how Ed Harris is an antihero (as opposed to the other obvious non-twist that he's the human version of Yul Brenner's Gunslinger because SCRIPT - FLIPPED!)

There's a lot to be said for Mad Men pulling the Dick Whitman reveal early and then moving on from it. But that was a show ostensibly about a real period and with real events to serve as milestones for the characters. SF/near-future TV needs to try harder to be like The Expanse or even, yeah, Firefly, and get away from stunts altogether. The audience is too ready for it and that makes it impossible to enjoy.

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 02:34 (two years ago) Permalink

And by "the audience" I mean me and by "impossible to enjoy" I mean I have fun watching it but the way I watch it is thoroughly tainted by an unruly compulsion to decipher the entire production as if it were some kind of goddamn cryptic crossword and I blame M. Night Shyamalan & Chuck Palahniuk for everything. People with five syllable names wtf

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 02:43 (two years ago) Permalink

You are making me not want to watch this

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 02:45 (two years ago) Permalink

I should get paid

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 03:06 (two years ago) Permalink

The Simpsons parodied this book/movie when the family visited the Duff beer theme park. If you liked that episode, you might also like this movie. /amazon.comrecommends

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 03:28 (two years ago) Permalink

the last scene was telegraphed throughout the entire first episode but was still satisfying

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 14:13 (two years ago) Permalink

I see the only book was a novelization; it was an original screenplay by Crichton in '73. He has nothing directly to do with this series, right?

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 14:30 (two years ago) Permalink

well, he's dead

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 14:36 (two years ago) Permalink


i don't keep track, i assume it was some horrible theme-park mishap

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 14:37 (two years ago) Permalink

longer version would be that Abrams mentioned having talked to Crichton 20 years ago or so about remaking it as a movie but nothing came of it

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 14:38 (two years ago) Permalink

I think he got some sort of weird climate change-related cancer, of which he did not believe

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 14:40 (two years ago) Permalink

What I've read (spoilers?) said that in the first 4 eps provided to critics, there is no robot rampage/human death toll. The question the review raised is how a theme park robot rampage can sustain a series, let alone a second season.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 14:42 (two years ago) Permalink

season two is when the robot virus makes it to eastworld

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 14:45 (two years ago) Permalink

i watched last night and was entertained.

tomboto's Lost reference above seems apt. i watched Lost. all of it. i groaned many times. in some ways it was really predictable and in others just completely nonsensical. sometimes it was a really fucking awesome show. i ordered pizza with friends and watched it together when new episodes came out and tolerated the one friend in the group who was way waaaaaay into Lost.

let's just hope westworld doesn't end up putting out the equivalent of a Jack's Tattoo episode, though

I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 14:46 (two years ago) Permalink

She's been fine-to-good in plenty of things (VMars, Creed)

Simon H., Thursday, 28 June 2018 14:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

Literally the only thing I have a problem with regarding Tessa is the age thing. Her character seems to be written as if she's been at the company for 20+ years or something. She just seems too young.

Evan, Thursday, 28 June 2018 14:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

Didn't even realize it was the same actress as Thor! That was a very good role

Dan I., Thursday, 28 June 2018 14:20 (eight months ago) Permalink

xp yeah, she's totally wrong for the role for a bunch of reasons that aren't totally her fault. she might be better as new-Dolores, or whatever the fuck is going on.

paul mccartney & whinge (voodoo chili), Thursday, 28 June 2018 14:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

what's up cousin slappy, "elsie" really sucked too

goole, Thursday, 28 June 2018 16:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

thandie newton and jeffrey wright absolutely waltzing through this glop, and this is the hot take we're dealing with?

goole, Thursday, 28 June 2018 16:58 (eight months ago) Permalink

thandie is the best, I will be crushed if she doesn't come back. jeffry wright always seems catatonic and mumbly in everything he's in, I don't know that I'd classify him as amazing.

akm, Thursday, 28 June 2018 18:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

The consistency of Wright's performance is a monument - not everyone has that ability to look befuddled for hours at a time, then shift to bewildered, then back to befuddled. (That said, I generally like him in things; it's just that his character is not given a lot of range of emotions here.)

And dare I say that I would let Katja Herbers test me for botness ANY TIME

can'tdelabra (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 28 June 2018 18:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

jeffrey wright just has a fantastic speaking voice and it's pretty exhilarating whenever he breaks out of his usual calm tone, no matter the context

supreme court justice samuel lance-ito (voodoo chili), Thursday, 28 June 2018 18:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

Oddly given it's 2018 this show was agonising to binge, been a long time since I was actually yelling things like "How is that a big deal?" "Stop being metaphorical, just answer!" etc at the screen. And everyone constantly being really pissed at each other (which I guess is meant to signify high stakes or drama or I don't really know what) just began to seem weird and distracting.

albvivertine, Friday, 29 June 2018 11:49 (eight months ago) Permalink

Depends on next season obv, esp given the setup, but show also has an odd idea of which characters to leave alive

albvivertine, Friday, 29 June 2018 11:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

i think if i had to sum up what i didn't like about this show was its total witlessness. as a show about 'human nature' it was very narrow. it just kept going into portentousness and got lost. the experience of the average guest, necessary ironic grounding, was completely ignored after a few eps.

like imagine one of these robots coming to a big emotional crest as his mind, shackled by design, finds itself apprehending the truth of his situation for the first time as waves of memory churn within himself -- and some doughy dipshit dressed like quickdraw mcgraw taps him on the shoulder like "scuse me dude, do you wanna, uhh, fuck my wife, or whatever?"

can i be a showrunner pls

goole, Friday, 29 June 2018 20:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

I kinda agree that they didn't let the steady state spin out very much before jumping right into "omg everything's coming apart." I believe that I've said that Dollhouse did the same thing.

If you're interested in the world-building aspects you get like five minutes of that before the nuts and bolts are popping out all over the place. Which is, I guess, standard 21st-century storytelling.

this ukulele annoys fascists (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 29 June 2018 21:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

Randall Flagg: Oh, fuck. I knew it. I'm already in the thing, aren't I?
Mia: No. The tower's long gone.
Randall: What is this place?
Mia: This isn't a simulation, Randall. This is your world. Or what's left of it. Do you know where you are, Randall?
Randall: In the desert. In my fuckin' desert.
Mia: And how long have you been here?
Randall: I don't... I don't... I don't know.
Mia: Tell me. What were you hoping to find? To prove?
Randall: That no tower can tell me who I am. That I have a fucking choice.
Mia: And yet here we are. Again.
Randall: Again and again. How many times have you tested me?
Mia: It's been a long time, Randall. Longer than we thought. I have a few questions for you. The last step's a baseline interview to allow us to verify.
Flagg: Verify what?
Mia: Fidelity.

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 29 June 2018 21:21 (eight months ago) Permalink

Sort of a culmination of Chris Nolan's good points (a midbrow interest in big Qs of consciousness and freewill) and bad ones (edit the plot in the blendomatic, and the audience won't notice the flaws).

Can we give it up for the location scouting? Some of this would be great without any characters to ruin the landscape.

Roomba with an attitude (Sanpaku), Friday, 29 June 2018 22:12 (eight months ago) Permalink

Oh, and the Forge is the "Library of Babel".

Roomba with an attitude (Sanpaku), Friday, 29 June 2018 22:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

midbrow = a fair adjective, and an apt one

this ukulele annoys fascists (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 30 June 2018 00:14 (eight months ago) Permalink


Philip Nunez, Saturday, 30 June 2018 03:32 (eight months ago) Permalink


this ukulele annoys fascists (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 30 June 2018 09:40 (eight months ago) Permalink

I think it rises to high-middle brow if you consider some of the choices that I liked, i.e. "The Cradle" is the name for the place that the androids come from, while "The Forge" is where they're planning on making copies of the humans, and Ford, having access to both facilities, figured out that the hosts had more of a leg to stand on wrt possessing free will than the guests ever would.

I know everyone else hates Shannon Woodward's character in this but as the sole Elsie fan not named Bernard I felt her death was more of a gut punch than Maeve's, especially how and why it was carried out. Stubbs more or less admitting to his hostness was also not lost on me, I liked that. Poor Elsie spending her whole (brief) career getting along better with two secret robots rather than her human colleagues struck a note - with me, anyway.

I still haven't figured out what the post-credits scene is supposed to tell us. We know the scanners used by the park QA teams are unreliable, fine, but I don't know if I buy that sending maimed, bleeding copies of William to the same looping hell that he put Delos through really counts as eternal punishment. Unless that really is just what his own mind is doing to itself while he dies slowly on a beach from his multitudinous GSWs.

I also liked the choice of Logan for The Forge's intelligent assistant, I thought that did a decent job of bringing the point home that Delos and his family were "10,247 lines" and nothing more, an addict and his fucking asshole dad, doomed to repeat, etc etc. "Who should I be," thought The Forge, "I should be the dead man's son he left to die." Also good job on getting a scarily accurate swimming-eyeballs look on Ben Barnes for the flashback scene, ugh.

I can definitely see how this show would rankle anyone who's not a free will skeptic, because it's not as if they tried to make a strong stand for the null hypothesis, other than having a worthless drunk washed-up writer decide to sacrifice himself for a noble cause, which has NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE. But I'm along for the ride for another season, as long as there aren't too many more episodes directed by woeful amateurs.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 1 July 2018 04:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

It's hardly a perfect show and sometimes it's more fun to think about than to watch, but I'm in it til the end.

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 1 July 2018 20:12 (eight months ago) Permalink

The post-credits scene in particular has been a blast to contemplate as a sci-fi fan.

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 1 July 2018 20:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

I'm the other Elsie fan!

I was talking through some of the plot choices with a friend yesterday and it's interesting how, in analysis, some things come off as scriptwriters 101 when you talk them through.

The revelation after season one is that Bernard couldn't bring himself to kill Elsie and stashed her somewhere, only for her death to become the thing that breaks him at the end of season two.

question: I'm forgetting and couldn't rewatch anything yesterday because my internet service was still out -- wasn't William the survivor that was in triage on the beach in a tent awaiting evacuation? I'm guessing the mid-credits bit with him being "simulated" is the explicit season three teaser.

mh, Monday, 2 July 2018 14:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

yes that was him awaiting triage. the credits sequence doesn't seem to make sense unless there is some other version of him that was duplicated and being put through the ringer again and again...

akm, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 18:49 (eight months ago) Permalink

or the real one is being gaslit and that's a dupe out on the beach

mh, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 18:59 (eight months ago) Permalink

I think the post-credits scene is just his nightmare while he’s lying on the beach

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 19:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

I'd buy that

in that case we have no idea what he actually did when he made it into the building. can't wait to have that hinted at but never revealed until the next season finale :)

mh, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 19:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

ha, like this show is ever going to settle a question it has left open

this ukulele annoys fascists (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 19:17 (eight months ago) Permalink

Neat, the train shots weren't done the conventional manner, of using backprojection, but by driving a train car set up and down Route 128 in Utah https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5585/30951770184_be0f65c4c4_b.jpg.

Roomba with an attitude (Sanpaku), Thursday, 5 July 2018 05:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

I wanna live in that

devops mom (silby), Thursday, 5 July 2018 05:31 (eight months ago) Permalink

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