― felicity, Saturday, 1 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 1 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Joe, Saturday, 1 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jean, Saturday, 1 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan I., Sunday, 2 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sean, Monday, 3 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 3 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 23 November 2002 19:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
*warning: this may not be true
― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 23 November 2002 20:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 23 November 2002 20:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nicole (Nicole), Saturday, 23 November 2002 20:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 23 November 2002 20:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
I do remember seeing a hitchcockian tv movie many years ago w/Ritter and Henry Winkler, one of them was stalking the other and it was really excellent.
― Nicole (Nicole), Saturday, 23 November 2002 20:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Aimless, Saturday, 23 November 2002 21:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
Don't even joke about it! *trembles in fear*
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 November 2002 21:31 (twenty-one years ago) link
Also, when they revived the show in the 80s on NBC, it was surprisingly high-quality; a shame it didn't quite catch on. How 'bout the episode with Martin Sheen dismembering Parker Stevenson to Wagner's "Ride of the Valkyries" (a la Apocalpyse Now)? It doesn't get any more classic than that...
― Joe (Joe), Monday, 25 November 2002 04:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
Yeah, Hitchcock made the very same movie, pretty much, over and over again: the wrong guy being pursued, the crime being solved, etc. (North by Northwest is Saboteur with a bigger budget) - but he did it so extraordinarily well that even today any hint of suspense in any sort of film can influence it to be mislabeled "Hitcockian." And Ford was mr. patriotism-western - exactly what sort of variety did he pursue? Even Wilder had a similar satirical element in all his films..that's why they were "auteurs" folks! (And of course he picked blondes well - it was that notorious fetish of his...Tippi was a 4th-rate Grace, but even in such a flawed film like Marnie was he able to evoke something-bordering-on-performance)
Ironically, none of those Cahiers people strike me as sticking to one or two central themes long enough in their own checkered careers - any dissention here?
― V, Monday, 25 November 2002 06:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
The Rear Window remake that I know of has a post-accident Christopher Reeve in the James Stewart role, which does add a whole other level of creepyass voyeurism...
― Andrew L (Andrew L), Monday, 25 November 2002 10:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
a more interesting question then: we all know truffaut would have become hitchcock's sex slave if he was asked, but what do you think hitch thought of tru's early 60s works...which he supposedly must have seen before they did that book together? or do you think hitch never saw them, or cared to ?
― V, Monday, 25 November 2002 10:38 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Andrew L (Andrew L), Monday, 25 November 2002 10:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
Perhaps. But I almost always find her more interesting to watch, think about and discuss than Grace.
― Sean (Sean), Monday, 25 November 2002 13:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
Thomson's book Overexposures has a great Hitchcock essay. Haven't read the new Dictionary, but I have a complaint about edition one: How can someone who loves/hates Hitchcock and egregiously slams both Travolta and De Palma get away without seeing and addressing Blow Out?
― Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 26 November 2002 07:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Thursday, 13 February 2003 13:50 (twenty-one years ago) link
I agree. It's not remembered so much probably because it didn't have any big name actors. It was also rated R in the US, atypical of a Hitchcock film. I love the scene right at the very end, where the protagonist is flogging a dead body, covered by a sheet, thinking it's the murderer...and then the detective walks in and sees him doing that. And you think, "MAN, does this guy get *any* breaks?".
― Ernest P. (ernestp), Thursday, 13 February 2003 15:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sarah McLUsky (coco), Thursday, 13 February 2003 15:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Thursday, 13 February 2003 17:31 (twenty-one years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 13 February 2003 17:38 (twenty-one years ago) link
― naked as sin (naked as sin), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
Mr. and Mrs. Smith sucks too.
Man Who Knew Too Much remake isn't very good, Doris Day. Not too hot on Marnie, although it's interesting.
Frenzy and Family Plot are both underrated, though.
Best: Rebecca, Vertigo, Shadow of a Doubt, The 39 Steps, Psycho. Vertigo and Shadow of a Doubt the deepest of all his work?
Also very good: The Birds, Rear Window, The Lady Vanishes, Strangers on a Train.
Critical opinion on him, though, very divided. Better than Ford? I think so, but such totally different views of life. Hitchcock's work, overall, is very shallow, though, and so repressed...
― chicxulub (chicxulub), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:13 (twenty-one years ago) link
― naked as sin (naked as sin), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
-- naked as sin
That's an interesting opinion. Why do you think so?
― chicxulub (chicxulub), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:50 (twenty-one years ago) link
― naked as sin (naked as sin), Thursday, 13 February 2003 19:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
Yeah, you might. Joseph Cotten is great, I think, in the movie; and Teresa Wright is worth watching just for her very determined walk. It's a very creepy movie. "Uncle Charlie" 's speech about what really lives in the hearts of men and women (at the dinner table) is a classic. It's also one of the great shot-on-location Hitch movies, shot in Santa Rosa, Calif. So give it another shot maybe.
― chicxulub (chicxulub), Thursday, 13 February 2003 20:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
A tremendous, world-historical understatement.
http://www.reelclassics.com/Actresses/Teresa/images5/teresa_faceshot_crop.jpg
― Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 13 February 2003 20:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
― I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Thursday, 13 February 2003 20:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
Shadow of a Doubt was his personal favorite of his films, by the way. I think it's extraordinary.
― Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 13 February 2003 20:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
"Shadow" was Hitch's favorite, and it's usually rated one of his best films, along with "Vertigo" and "Rear Window."
Compared to the very greatest filmmakers--Ophuls, Ray, Renoir, to name three who I don't think would provoke much dissension, although I would add Lang and Coppola and several others to the list--I think Hitchcock comes up a little short. Too much control, not enough "sense of superfluous life" (in the words of critic Robin Wood). But he's great. I'm sure other posters will take issue with the above...yeah!
― chicxulub (chicxulub), Thursday, 13 February 2003 23:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 14 February 2003 06:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 14 February 2003 06:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
― naked as sin (naked as sin), Friday, 14 February 2003 14:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
Shirley Maclaine is georgeous in it though.
― Pete (Pete), Friday, 14 February 2003 14:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 14 February 2003 16:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
― naked as sin (naked as sin), Friday, 14 February 2003 19:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 14 February 2003 19:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
― naked as sin (naked as sin), Saturday, 15 February 2003 01:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
I think Rope, as often as it is dismissed as a one-off experiment, is underrated, especially the way Hitchcock makes the homosexual lovers angle subtly apparent. Farley Granger was the bitch, no?
Shadow of a Doubt was my early favorite, but I still personally like Rebecca best, even though (has this been said yet?), it could be argued that it was more of a David O Selznick "production" picture than a Hitchcockian one. He himself suggests as much in the Truffaut book. I thought Paradine Case, as much as I stayed awake for, was definitely a dud (and no one in the lead could save such a script) but I quite like Stage Fright, another one everyone typically moans about. Dietrich = delightful divadom
Suspicion was precisely a dud because of its studio-sanctioned ending. Interesting but useless trivia: Hitch put a small lightbulb in that glass of milk to make it glow up like that.
I think Vertigo is his unassailable masterpiece (Psycho is easier to critique), but imo Strangers on a Train is the most underrated Hitch, as far as I remember. Even though it falls under "light Hitchcock," as opposed to "dark," not a single minute lacks entertainment value. But I have to see it again.
― Vic (Vic), Saturday, 15 February 2003 06:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Saturday, 15 February 2003 17:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sean (Sean), Saturday, 15 February 2003 17:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
Family Plot underrated? Please. Why is it rated at all? Let's see, is there even the remotest possibility that a film with both Bruce Dern and Karen Black in it could be watchable?
― Candidia, Saturday, 15 February 2003 17:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
No Hitchcock film sits "squarely" in a light category, and Strangers on a Train has complex subtexts, as vitually all of his work. But on the whole, compared to his other man-on-the-run films, it's more along the side of North by Northwest and Saboteur in the lighter, wittier half of his catalog rather than the darker films with the similar narrative theme, such as Frenxy or The Wrong Man.
― Vic (Vic), Sunday, 16 February 2003 02:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
this image (or similar, sometimes B&W) can i believe be found in all powell & pressburger films:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powell_and_Pressburger#/media/File:Archers-AMOLAD-Logo.jpg
"ian christie wrote a major book" <-- this made me smile a little (not to be unkind but… )
― mark s, Friday, 6 January 2023 14:38 (one year ago) link
ugh this:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6f/Archers-AMOLAD-Logo.jpg
On point.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 January 2023 14:45 (one year ago) link
Heh
― Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 January 2023 14:45 (one year ago) link
Thanks for excerpting, Halfway. That was the bit I was thinking of; I just didn’t remember it properly, in that I thought he made a point of discussing how the film’s noted “flaws” actually worked in its favor (he may make a similar point elsewhere in the essay).
Sorry for the confusion - that quote wasn't from the Wood essay, it was from a blog discussing the scene that he mentions, which I found interesting in its own right. I think your summary is close to what he actually says.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 6 January 2023 15:52 (one year ago) link
I wonder if it is too late to say a thing or two more about Shadow of a Doubt.
― Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 January 2023 17:10 (one year ago) link
There's a shadow of a doubt
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Friday, 6 January 2023 17:11 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pdscKJp_58
― Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 January 2023 17:18 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFNnvQLvs7I
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 6 January 2023 17:31 (one year ago) link
Speaking of rear projections...
Cool.
― Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 January 2023 17:33 (one year ago) link
👍
since Twitterers are so easily riled up, let's just say that Ravel, one of the great composers of the 20th century, also composed one of the absolutely awful, glaringly unmusical, excruciatingly unbearable compositions in musical history--"Bolero."— Joyce Carol Oates (@JoyceCarolOates) January 6, 2023
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 6 January 2023 22:41 (one year ago) link
DNFTT
― Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 January 2023 22:45 (one year ago) link
if I was only famous as an 80's soft-porn movie I wouldn't be chatting shit about Maurice!
― calzino, Friday, 6 January 2023 22:46 (one year ago) link
that didn't make any sense, but neither do opinions - I'm done with 'em!
― calzino, Friday, 6 January 2023 22:52 (one year ago) link
Everyone has them, just like everyone has, um...
― Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 January 2023 22:56 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXtBsikiY50
― Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 January 2023 22:57 (one year ago) link
"Bolero" is both awesome and also one of Ravel's lesser compositions
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Friday, 6 January 2023 23:09 (one year ago) link
Fair enough.
― Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 January 2023 23:09 (one year ago) link
There is no thread dedicated to Ravel so I'm posting here
I got to see the Dover String Quartet perform the Ravel String Quartet in F Major as part of the Yale Summer Music Program at the Shed in Norfolk CT last July. I had never heard it before. It was an amazing performance
I think it anticipated and influenced a lot of the movie soundtracks that followed, including those of Bernard Hermann
― Dan S, Saturday, 7 January 2023 01:34 (one year ago) link
There is this, but the results are infuriating: for the piano #3: Debussy vs. Ravel vs. Satie
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Saturday, 7 January 2023 01:35 (one year ago) link
I don't know why Blake Edwards decided that "Bolero" was a good soundtrack for sex. I guess he like the resonance with the name of his star.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 7 January 2023 21:04 (one year ago) link
*liked
“Bolero” is sex tho
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Saturday, 7 January 2023 21:05 (one year ago) link
I suppose, in the sense that it rhythmically builds to a climax, but it takes a long time to get there.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 7 January 2023 21:07 (one year ago) link
https://e.snmc.io/i/600/w/794e08b67ab88a629684111230f1fe2e/4402113/orchestre-national-de-lopera-de-monte-carlo-alceo-galliera-werner-haas-complete-music-for-piano-solo-complete-piano-concertos-Cover-Art.jpg
this is a fantastic disc
― calzino, Saturday, 7 January 2023 21:11 (one year ago) link
Paul Crossley's two discs on CRD are also highly recommended.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 7 January 2023 21:11 (one year ago) link
you might wanna reword that last bit
― Wyverns and gulls rule my world (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 7 January 2023 21:12 (one year ago) link
Huge fan of Pascal Roge’s solo piano collection tbh
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Saturday, 7 January 2023 21:14 (one year ago) link
xp Or I might not LOL
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 7 January 2023 21:14 (one year ago) link