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Heh. I thought someone refused to cross a picket line but I guess he was on because Savage had an evening game.

James Mitchell, Monday, 8 November 2010 11:58 (ten years ago) link

the consequence of MOTD's top-heaviness is that when any of the Big Clubs play any of the other clubs (which is all the time) there's no narrative there. Lineker and others need to tell the story of the smaller clubs, build a narrative beyond "beset by injuries of late" or "best start to the season since 2001". in any given game there are at least 24 stories to be told.

I actually think MOTD2 has been pretty good at doing this for a while, going round one club per week, talking to the fans in the buildup to the game and so forth. It works pretty well with yer Blackpools and West Broms and the like. The problems come when you try and say something exciting about yr perennial midtable cloggers, I can't honestly think of many interesting ways to cover Blackburn or Wigan at this stage.

Matt DC, Monday, 8 November 2010 13:41 (ten years ago) link

maybe focus on the promising players at those clubs? who with luck won't have to be playing for them much longer

Adrian Roosevelt "Adie" Mike (nakhchivan), Monday, 8 November 2010 13:48 (ten years ago) link

Maybe I should actually watch MOTD2 some time!

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Monday, 8 November 2010 14:43 (ten years ago) link

Good to hear it Ronan and gl on getting it. Always hope to see ilf break into the system.

I personally don't see a problem with their being a hierarchy of making the most interesting games go first on motd. Tracer you will find it turn itself on its head come Feb when the relegation battle often makes as good a show as Chelsea storming to victory. Team X is currently at the stage of boring as shit 0 - 0 draws every week and their fans don't even turn up to pretend to care, wanting to put them ahead of actual entertainment or a story is crazy.

Of course it doesn't help that there are received notions on certain teams. Wigan spring to mind. The reality is they actually have many exciting, discussion worthy matches and if the past 5 years are anything to go by, could be working towards getting the exciting players the top teams teams want. This can and should be worked on. But until they fire the shitty panel and hire people who understand narrative as opposed to football cliches that drive you mad I don't see a chance of them sorting this.

hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Monday, 8 November 2010 14:55 (ten years ago) link

far, far better show

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Monday, 8 November 2010 14:56 (ten years ago) link

On the other hand, I got good laughs out of the tactic backfiring on the League Cup show the night of the Liverpool-Northampton debacle - which they obviously had to lead with, but having already decided the show's narrative* hadn't bothered to send a commentator along to Anfield.

* Chelsea-Newcastle

Ismael Klata, Monday, 8 November 2010 15:03 (ten years ago) link

Wigan spring to mind. The reality is they actually have many exciting, discussion worthy matches and if the past 5 years are anything to go by, could be working towards getting the exciting players the top teams teams want. This can and should be worked on.

In the past, yeah, right now I'm not seeing much quality there, with the possible exception of Rodallega. West Brom seem to have taken up the mantle of New Wigan.

Matt DC, Monday, 8 November 2010 15:11 (ten years ago) link

re: the online side of things the BBC's club pages are abysmal:

i.e. under the banner of "Latest video, audio and stories" is an embedded video of Mark Hughes talking about a reffing decision. it's been there for three weeks. there have been two matches since then! it's obvious that no one gives a shit about these pages. it's no one's job to look at them.

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Monday, 8 November 2010 15:25 (ten years ago) link

ok i just watched the As It Stands table change to reflect Bolton's late goal - not sure how many seconds between the goal and that change. at least ten seconds after the table change the actual scoreline above it changes and then you get a minute or more before the text update.

Noel 1 Silence 0 (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 21:40 (ten years ago) link

as problems with bbc coverage go, I'd be inclined to let that one slide

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 10 November 2010 22:48 (ten years ago) link

as far as the main motd organ goes hansen & dixon is an good enough combination i think - dixon able to appease the boy's club but still be enthusiastic (even perceptive) at the same time. i've been morbidly amused by lawro's nihilism over the years but it's hard not to see him as a key tumour these days. time to shunt him off to 5 live.

r|t|c, Wednesday, 10 November 2010 23:02 (ten years ago) link

xp it was more of a 'this is interesting' observation about the process than an official complaint tbh

Noel 1 Silence 0 (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2010 00:03 (ten years ago) link

So MOTD showed the dirty filthy foreign Cesc tackle but not the one by England's Brave Karl Henry?

James Mitchell, Thursday, 11 November 2010 09:41 (ten years ago) link

not exactly new for motd there.

hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 11 November 2010 09:56 (ten years ago) link

three weeks pass...

"David Cameron's Premier League predictions"

just fucking fuck off

modrić in paradise (blueski), Saturday, 4 December 2010 15:15 (ten years ago) link

u kiddin

Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Saturday, 4 December 2010 15:35 (ten years ago) link
Koscielny suffered a head injury during the Fulham match on Saturday

purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 15:44 (ten years ago) link

It occurred to me that I really want to see Savage and Shearer on a panel together. The mutual loathing could make for extraordinary viewing.

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 15:56 (ten years ago) link

They'd be depressingly chummy. The forced nature of it all, them putting on their mummy's best for the Beeb, would make it more nauseating yet.

best poster with ten-letter single-word username (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 15:58 (ten years ago) link

not a big deal but on MOTD Hansen was narrating Nasri's first goal and said "see you later!" for each time Nasri passed a player. Lineker picked up on this and tried to make it a meme, even ending the show with the same line. It just seemed a really pointless forced way to try and generate levity.

modrić in paradise (blueski), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:20 (ten years ago) link

I think they'd totally wind each other up xp. Savage is *desperate* to make a name for himself and has a somewhat inappropriate matiness on-camera. Shearer can't handle any challenge or interaction beyond cliche, but was actually a good player and had his media career handed to him on a plate. A skilled winder-upper presiding and it could be sweet.

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:34 (ten years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Europe's elite
Would Barcelona magician Lionel Messi make your Uefa Team of the Year?


irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 30 December 2010 15:42 (ten years ago) link

: )

Rockcrit from the Tuoms (nakhchivan), Thursday, 30 December 2010 16:13 (ten years ago) link

James Richardson is coming to the BBC! Sort of!

William Bloody Swygart, Thursday, 6 January 2011 13:27 (ten years ago) link

Could be fun!

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 January 2011 13:40 (ten years ago) link

haha funny old show they've given him. (does he live there or something?) could well be a trial run for bigger stuff.

v glad that late kick off is returning, i really enjoyed it last season (the london edition at least - other versions i caught didn't really seem as good.) presumably all the other presenters will be the same?

dunno why it hasn't been on from the start really.

r|t|c, Thursday, 6 January 2011 14:57 (ten years ago) link

Hopefully they'll be working up to bumping Colin Murray from MOTD2.

Matt DC, Thursday, 6 January 2011 15:27 (ten years ago) link

people who want richardson on motd2 have seriously not thought things through. can u imagine the sheer excruciating awkwardness between him and hansen/lawro? or really anyone who isnt sav or dicko? it's not even like jimbo would take it in good humour, he's always having little tantrums at perceived boorishness.

we'll see how he gets on with murty and rosenior's blank looks first i suppose.

r|t|c, Thursday, 6 January 2011 16:24 (ten years ago) link

people who want richardson on motd2 have seriously not thought things through. can u imagine the sheer excruciating awkwardness between him and hansen/lawro?

This is part of the appeal.

Matt DC, Thursday, 6 January 2011 16:37 (ten years ago) link

dont know why lawro or shearer would necessarily need to be there

all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:10 (ten years ago) link

Jenas' crib on motd kickabout right now - loves drake & nando's

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 8 January 2011 11:55 (ten years ago) link

kind of a short feature - was over by the time I finished typing that

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 8 January 2011 11:59 (ten years ago) link

motd kickabout is the new version of the show i worked for in newsround. was it any good? i hope not cos i lost my job cos of it!

I see what this is (Local Garda), Saturday, 8 January 2011 12:00 (ten years ago) link

I didn't realise it was a kids' show until afterwards, which explains the ultra-short features I guess. Same mixture of lame banter and fence-sitting as every other show. Seems a bit unnecessary to get Dion Dublin in for thirty seconds of that. Also the gags get told as if there's an audience there to whoop and applaud, but there's nobody there.

So yeah, it's terrible. Miles better than the old version at least, I'll give them that.

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 8 January 2011 12:44 (ten years ago) link

they want to have a footie guest every week, as someone who worked on the old show i have to say i find it doubtful they'll get good people. colleagues met dion dublin in the bbc bar one night. qed.

I see what this is (Local Garda), Saturday, 8 January 2011 14:42 (ten years ago) link

Also explains Jenas's crib. Nice to see his massive rooms, massive gym, big swimming pool, his massive office too ("spend a lot of time in here. It's where I download my music")

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 8 January 2011 14:48 (ten years ago) link

I forgot to mention the transfer window section:

Dzeko to Man City
Dion: not sure about that one
Talking Head: waste of money

Ronaldinho to Blackburn
Dion: seems a strange one

Keane to Birmingham
Dion: that's a good move
TH: he'll get you goals, guaranteed

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 8 January 2011 17:14 (ten years ago) link

Chances Dion knows who Dzeko is = negligible.
Chances he knows Rnaldinho's been doing okay for Milan = debateable
Chances he's seen Robbie Keane play well in last 2 years = impossible

howie was a rock, buddy couldn't handle it (pandemic), Saturday, 8 January 2011 19:17 (ten years ago) link

Hey, Dion ex-Celtic, he might have heard about his half-decent half-season up here, no?

ailsa, Saturday, 8 January 2011 20:04 (ten years ago) link

celtic, put some money down for him ffs

all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Sunday, 9 January 2011 15:57 (ten years ago) link

two weeks pass...

From F365

Apparently the BBC have a TV show called 'MOTD Kickabout' as part of CBBC, in which various kids TV presenters shout at the audience in typically patronising manner.

Us neither, but Adam Johnson was on the latest edition, taking part in a 'quick fire' Q&A session in which he was asked about his best friend in football.

After looking pensive for a few seconds, he replied in a somewhat reluctant manner: "Andrew Taylor."

Cut back to the studio and the presenter squarked "HE TOOK HIS TIME TO THINK OF HIS BEST FRIEND IN FOOTBALL, DIDN'T HE?" Before adopting a deeply curious falsetto to say: "SOOOOOOO LONELY!"

Well yes. It could be that. Or it could be that it's been fairly widely reported that his best friend in football was the late Dale Roberts.

Inspector Anthony Slade, Monday, 24 January 2011 14:44 (ten years ago) link

guilty lol tbh - let the kids get away with bad researching

travel by railchoad (a hoy hoy), Monday, 24 January 2011 14:55 (ten years ago) link

ha...god. bit of a clanger.

I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, 24 January 2011 22:16 (ten years ago) link

Late Kick Off In The North is amazing. Watching Guy Mowbray trying to have banter with Dean Windass really is quite something.

William Bloody Swygart, Monday, 24 January 2011 23:22 (ten years ago) link

Anyone for Headers and Volleys?
Dan Walker recalls the football games he played as a kid

William Bloody Swygart, Thursday, 27 January 2011 15:16 (ten years ago) link

do we have a thread on football punditry in general? The Guardian's Secret Footballer columnist weighs in on how shallow it is:

Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Saturday, 29 January 2011 19:20 (ten years ago) link

worth starting imo

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 29 January 2011 19:34 (ten years ago) link

quite enjoyed motd kickabout

cozen, Saturday, 29 January 2011 19:37 (ten years ago) link

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