I quite liked that Late of the Pier album.
No medals though...
― Mark G, Monday, 24 November 2008 15:57 (fifteen years ago) link
Loooove seeing Torche at #1 on a metal list.― vampire baseball (call all destroyer), Monday, November 24, 2008 3:53 PM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
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― With a little bit of gold and a Peja (bernard snowy), Monday, 24 November 2008 16:40 (fifteen years ago) link
It's blowing my mind that Portishead has only made one list so far.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 24 November 2008 16:42 (fifteen years ago) link
exactly how I feel about Deerhunter
― With a little bit of gold and a Peja (bernard snowy), Monday, 24 November 2008 16:43 (fifteen years ago) link
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― Me and Ruth Lorenzo, Rollin' in the Benzo (Noodle Vague), Monday, 24 November 2008 16:45 (fifteen years ago) link
go torche!
― Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 24 November 2008 16:53 (fifteen years ago) link
I still haven't listened to Fleet Foxes or the new TV on the Radio tho, and I have a sneaking suspicion that I might like them.
― With a little bit of gold and a Peja (bernard snowy), Monday, November 24, 2008 10:40 AM (1 hour ago)
TVOTR = v. goodFF = exalted background music
― k3vin k., Monday, 24 November 2008 16:59 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, FF definitely SOUND good, but there's not a lot of substance there.
― i'm whine btw (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 24 November 2008 17:06 (fifteen years ago) link
The Blender list is like a list of albums.
― i'm whine btw (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 24 November 2008 17:07 (fifteen years ago) link
Still no Cut Copy, no Wolf Parade, no Blitzen Trapper, no Jay Reatard.. we have 1 mention of No Age, and 1 mention of The Sword..
These lists can suck a D.
― billstevejim, Monday, 24 November 2008 17:17 (fifteen years ago) link
Man, people really do get worked up over lists that were compiled back before the year was even three-quarters finished. I've already turned in a couple lists for polls that were two months early, roughly speaking, and am putting some together before the year is up as well; the way "the year in" has dialed back further and further makes me uneasy. I kind of read them with a grain of salt that way.
― Matos W.K., Monday, 24 November 2008 17:26 (fifteen years ago) link
there is no excuse for putting that astonishingly bad My Morning Jacket anywhere near a top albums list, even if it's "top albums that came out that week"
― With a little bit of gold and a Peja (bernard snowy), Monday, 24 November 2008 17:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Hey, I've complained about the She & Him win elsewhere! I'm not making fun at all. I just find it kind of oddly encouraging that people actually care about this stuff.
― Matos W.K., Monday, 24 November 2008 17:29 (fifteen years ago) link
(I'm almost certain I've said that before on a previous year-end poll thread, but I've been up all night and am spacey. Onward.)
― Matos W.K., Monday, 24 November 2008 17:35 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't really understand why people ever get outraged about their favorite albums not showing up on a particular year-end list (a need to confirm one's subjective opinion, maybe?), but especially when there are zillions of lists these days: no publication really has the authority anymore to single-handedly canonize albums, so why sweat it?
― xpost haha (jaymc), Monday, 24 November 2008 17:45 (fifteen years ago) link
be happy you have better taste than these schlubs!
― aaaaa (jergins), Monday, 24 November 2008 17:52 (fifteen years ago) link
I really like that Cut Copy disc, and I'm glad to see it not turning up on these lists...
― henry s, Monday, 24 November 2008 17:53 (fifteen years ago) link
you're right, but I like to see my favorite artists do well, so that's one reason. when p4k (for an obv example) puts you in their top ten, sales and concert tickets are gonna swell, no?
xp jay
― k3vin k., Monday, 24 November 2008 17:53 (fifteen years ago) link
xxp:
I am happy! it's just weird I guess -- I haven't really listened to that much new music this year, but most of the stuff from these lists that I've heard is so dull that I wouldn't have even remembered it came out this year.
― With a little bit of gold and a Peja (bernard snowy), Monday, 24 November 2008 17:56 (fifteen years ago) link
when p4k (for an obv example) puts you in their top ten, sales and concert tickets are gonna swell, no?
Yeah, I guess I've never really understood why people are invested in their favorite bands getting popular, either. As long as they're doing well enough to keep putting out albums and touring on a semi-regular basis, I don't care how many units they shift.
― xpost haha (jaymc), Monday, 24 November 2008 18:07 (fifteen years ago) link
anyone else shocked to see this on the mojo list?...
37 - Gavin Bryars & Philip Jeck & Alter Ego - The Sinking of the Titanic [2007]
was considering this for my list, but who turned those guys on to something like this???
― psychgawsple, Monday, 24 November 2008 18:25 (fifteen years ago) link
no Blitzen Trapper
they're #1 on my list of bands who, from reading reviews, i think will be awesome, but are completely disappointing to listen to.
― Moreno, Monday, 24 November 2008 18:37 (fifteen years ago) link
i think it's entirely depressing that anyone would pick a fifth-wave freak folk act as their #1 album of the year. surely something original happened in 2008?
― psychgawsple, Monday, 24 November 2008 18:42 (fifteen years ago) link
i think it's entirely depressing that anyone would keep count of how many waves of freak folk there have been now
― dumb pseud (some dude), Monday, 24 November 2008 18:45 (fifteen years ago) link
whats the Don Cavalli album like?
― Michael B, Monday, 24 November 2008 18:48 (fifteen years ago) link
yes yes, i clearly have a tally on my wall. apparently it's the most relevant form of music in 2008 though, so...
― psychgawsple, Monday, 24 November 2008 19:09 (fifteen years ago) link
8 - The Week That Was - The Week That Was
glad this is getting props somewhere, i'm really into it at the moment
― ciderpress, Monday, 24 November 2008 20:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Do you mean Fleet Foxes psychgawsple?
I don't think they really sound like a freak folk group or even the descendants of freak folk (though they probably listened to the last Grizzly Bear album). Which is not to say they're doing anything new.
I like the album, but I'd be depressed if was number one on my list. Having said that, I think it's far more likely that it'll do well this year not because some people think it's the best thing of the year, but because heaps and heaps of people are ranking it about ten.
I kinda ruined my singles poll list for Pitchfork (in terms of expecting to have any effect on the outcome) by stuffing it with UK funky house tunes.
― Tim F, Monday, 24 November 2008 20:45 (fifteen years ago) link
indeed, it is not very 'freaky', but it is folksy psych-pop in that lineage (imo). and it seems to have a weird appeal to the more dance-music oriented set, which i simply don't understand (it looks like this'll be the #1 album over at djhistory!?!?!). it's easy to like but there's nothing exciting going on by any means.
and god bless you sir for bringing more funky UK house to the Pitchfork list
― psychgawsple, Monday, 24 November 2008 20:59 (fifteen years ago) link
I doubt any will make it into the final list though! This is the problem with these sorts of consensus lists, and exactly why something like Fleet Foxes tends to get overrated. In fact I think I'd say what Fleet Foxes have going for them is that they are a point where people with bad taste and people with good taste converge.
― Tim F, Monday, 24 November 2008 21:06 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah but you guys do show individual lists too, right?
that's where you find the real gold
― psychgawsple, Monday, 24 November 2008 21:21 (fifteen years ago) link
The inclusion of Staind, Trivium, and Slipknot all make me cringe, but still, Metal Edge's EOY list is better than Decibel's, I think.
― A. Begrand, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 03:51 (fifteen years ago) link
Without my vote I'm pretty sure Belphegor's Bondage Goat Zombie wouldn't have even made the Metal Edge top 50!!! (Also, my #1 vote for Equilibrium must have helped its placing.)
― Dimension 5ive, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 04:19 (fifteen years ago) link
Tremendous variety in that Metal Edge list. I didn't vote for Equilibrium, but I sure as hell admire it. That album is nuts.
― A. Begrand, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 04:21 (fifteen years ago) link
21 Erykah Badu - New Amerykah: Pt. One (4th World War)19 Katy Perry - One Of The Boys
― Trik Turner Fan Club President (Tape Store), Tuesday, 25 November 2008 04:44 (fifteen years ago) link
the motherfuckers
― Mikaael Jackson (The Reverend), Tuesday, 25 November 2008 04:49 (fifteen years ago) link
yall didnt know matt armstrong was the editor of blender?
― racist (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 25 November 2008 04:52 (fifteen years ago) link
was considering this for my list, but who turned (MOJO) on to something like this???
For all the Boomer Rock worship and Beatles covers the MOJO writers have actually been right there in terms of championing great bands early on.
― Cunga, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 05:15 (fifteen years ago) link
"One Of The Boys" is an abortion
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 05:30 (fifteen years ago) link
No Gym Class Heroes, no dice
― Dimension 5ive, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 05:39 (fifteen years ago) link
yes but MOJO have never really been into experimental electronic or minimal composition in the past have they?
the bryars/jeck/alter ego project is not a band, it's actually jeck and alter ego re-working the classic bryars piece into something almost akin to 'the disintegration loops'
― psychgawsple, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 05:48 (fifteen years ago) link
this is starting to be like in high school when jocks would ask, "Wait, you like rap? I thought you were into alternative."
― Matos W.K., Tuesday, 25 November 2008 06:30 (fifteen years ago) link
it's just that that album, and maybe Peter Broderick as well, are far more experimental/esoteric than the rest of that list. no need to call names matos, just wondering if this type of dabbling was something MOJO did more often
the previous lists had a predictable aesthetic (at least with Paste and Blender), i thought this was part of why writers contributed different lists to different magazines?
― psychgawsple, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 06:57 (fifteen years ago) link
I have to recuse myself from commenting on the metal lists, but otherwise, Blender's is by far the best of these so far.
― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 06:58 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't know what the staff's iPod's look like but they seem to have an in-house expert on everything. (And if they don't have one for something they usually know where to find a good one)
Their canonizations and monthly covers can obscure that finer point though.
― Cunga, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 07:28 (fifteen years ago) link
It's probably a bit like Pitchfork's 2000 list where Gas' Pop stood out like a sore thumb amidst all the indie-rock (obv. Pitchfork's end of year lists are a bit different now). I queried this at the time and Mark Richardson (who obv likes a lot of electronic music) explained that he'd loved that album and converted several other writers. Pitchfork weren't trying to say this was the only good electronic album of that year, it's just that several writers happened to vote for it. I'm sure that Mojo has its equivalent or equivalents to Mark.
Which is totally fair enough. But it still points to the problem with tabulated lists generally: one reads meaning where in fact there is only statistical randomness.
Having said this, the "nine similar things plus one different thing" approach to individual end-of-year listmaking is always (to my mind) a sign that one should not take said list too seriously. The presence of the one different thing can only be seen as perplexing, ultimately meaningless - remember all those indie rock + Outkast album lists of 2003.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 07:35 (fifteen years ago) link
ultimately meaningless
No, not at all. All those indie rockers came to the album for that one song. I think it was "Ghetto Musick."
― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 07:51 (fifteen years ago) link
i mean, "hey ya" was no pushover either
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 25 November 2008 07:55 (fifteen years ago) link
I queried this at the time and Mark Richardson (who obv likes a lot of electronic music) explained that he'd loved that album and converted several other writers.
I think the exact same thing happened the next year with Fennesz's "Endless Summer" at #2!
I agree with Tim for the most part, but statistical randomness in poll results is somewhat dependent on the point tallying system for the poll (yeah, I harp on this every year) ... so for example, one person might convert a bunch of colleagues to something completely new (to them), but chances are they'll toss that album in at #8 or #9 on their list, not #1 or #2, so if pollmakers choose an unweighted (50, 49, 48, ... 3, 2, 1) point scheme or even a mildly weighted scheme, then they're opening themselves up to having a poll that's inexplicably dominated by a bunch of #9 throw-in votes.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 09:48 (fifteen years ago) link
The statistical-randomness bit is much closer to what I was referring to w/my high-school crack: it would be more unusual to not see those kinds of deviations on long lists like these ones.
― Matos W.K., Tuesday, 25 November 2008 11:28 (fifteen years ago) link
Not sure how they compiled it but here's the Offbeat, New Orleans magazine, top 10:
1. Theresa Andersson-Hummingbird Go2. Irma Thomas-Simply Grand3. Michael Doucet-From Now On4. Dr. Michael White-Blue Crescent5. Lil' Wayne-Tha Carter III6. The Iguanas-If You Should Ever Fall On Hard Times7. Tom McDermott and Connie Jones- Creole Nocturne8. Dr. John-The City That Care Forgot9. David Egan-You Don't know Your Mind10. Porter-Batiste-Stolz-Moodoo
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 25 January 2009 04:56 (fifteen years ago) link
Rock-a-Rolla top 40:
1. Harvey Milk – Life…The Best Game in Town2. Earth – The Bees Made Honey in the Lion’s Skull3. Melvins – Nude with Boots4. Dub Trio – Another Sound is Dying5. Asva – What You Don’t know is Frontier6. Grails – Doomsdayer’s Holiday7. Secret Chiefs 3 – Xaphan: Book of Angel8. Kayo Dot – Blue Lambency Downward9. Mike Patton – A Perfect Place10. Racebanon – Acid or Blood11. Torche – Meanderthal12. Portishead – Third13. The Mars Volta – The Bedlam in Goliath14. Lustmord – [Other]15. Zach Hill – Astrological Straits16. Steve Von Till – A Grave is a Grim Horse17. Ascend – Ample Fire Within18. Akimbo – Jersey Shores19. Conifer – Corown Fire20. Bohren & Der Club of Gore – Dolores21. Meshuggah – Obzen22. Philip Jeck – Sano23. UFOmammut – Idolum24. Wildildlife – Six25. Moha! – One Way Ticket to Candyland26. Helms Alee – Night Terror27. Mogwai – The Hawk is Howling28. Krallice – Krallice29. Jarboe – Mahakali 30. Hey Colossus – Happy Birthday31. Merzbow – Anicca32. Gnaw Their Tongues – An Epiphanic Vomiting of Blood33. Lucky Dragons – Dream Island Laughing Language34. Jucifer – L’Autrichienne35. Mothlite – The Flax of Reverie36. Boris – Smile37. No Age – Nouns38. Black Sun – Paralyser39. Subtle – Exitingarm40. Prurient – And Still Waiting
― m the g, Sunday, 25 January 2009 08:16 (fifteen years ago) link
DJ Premier's top 20 '08
20. Ill Bill - The Hour of Reprisal19. 88-Keys - The Death of Adam18. EPMD - We Mean Business17. Craig G & Marley Marl - Operation Take Back Hip-Hop16. Ice Cube - Raw Footage15. Q-Tip - The Renaissance14. Guilty Simpson - Ode to the Ghetto13. Termanology - Politics as Usual12. Big Shug - Otherside of the Game11. Ludacris - Theater of the Mind
10. Heltah Skeltah - D.I.R.T. (Da Incredible Rap Team)09. Lil' Wayne - Tha Carter III08. The P Brothers - The Gas07. eMC - The Show06. Jake One - White Van Music05. D.I.T.C. - The Movement04. Scarface - Emeritus03. Statik Selektah - Stick 2 the Script02. Evidence - The Layover EP01. DJ Revolution - King of the Decks
― twitty milk (deej), Sunday, 1 February 2009 02:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Luda???
― The Reverend, Sunday, 1 February 2009 09:07 (fifteen years ago) link
he had a track on it :-/
― twitty milk (deej), Sunday, 1 February 2009 10:24 (fifteen years ago) link
with a few glaring exceptions, I was surprisingly happy with the results of this year's WXYC DJ poll:
The Top 20 of 2008 (technically the Top 21 b/c the #20 slot was a tie):
1. Grouper - Dragging A Dead Deer Up A Hill (TYPE)2. Deerhunter - Microcastle/Weird Era Cont (Kranky/4AD)3. Tape - Luminarium (Häpna)4. Bon Iver - For Emma, Forever Ago (Jagjaguar)5. Lil Wayne- tha carter 3 (Cash Money)6. Robbie Basho - Bonn Ist Supreme (Bo'Weavil)7. Earth - The Bees Made Honey in the Lions Skull (Southern Lord)7. Fleet Foxes- fleet foxes (Sub Pop)9. 70's Thai Orchestra - 70's Thai Orchestra (MISSISSIPPI/EXILED)10. Lau Nau - Nukkuu (Locust)11. v/a - 1970's algerian proto-rai underground (SUBLIME FREQUENCIES)12. Alan Licht & Aki Onda - Everydays (FAMILY VINEYARD)13. Gang Gang Dance- St. Dymphna (Social Registry)14. Animal Collective - Water Curses EP (Domino/Paw Tracks)14. Man Man - Rabbit Habits (ANTI-)16. The Cool Kids - The Bake Sale EP (Chocolate Industries)17. Girl talk - Feed the animals (Illegal Art)18. Fuck Buttons - Street Horrrsing (ATP Recordings)18. The Hospitals - Hairdryer Peace (self-released)20. Ponytail- ice cream social (We Are Free)20. Burning Star Core - Challenger (Hospital/Plastic)
― if you like it then you shoulda put a donk on it (bernard snowy), Saturday, 7 February 2009 15:27 (fifteen years ago) link