an open letter to the mods from Whiney G. Weingarten

You're basically saying "excuse me for being cynical about mods but here is an example in which I am going to ignore every instance in which they've actually helped me out..."

how many mod requests have i made, like 3 or 4? i'm just saying i'm pretty sure that's the only one i've made in the last few months and it was a pretty frustrating situation for me. (xpost)

ie, you are, possibly subconsciously, inventing shit to support your belief that the moderators are untrustworthy

knock it off

this is exactly the kind of "one rule for the mods, one rule for everyone else" shit i'm talking about
― caek, Thursday, November 4, 2010 6:24 PM (1 minute ago)

what does this mean?

it was a joke about the definition of the word "troll"

Some Dude, you do realise that this perfectly illustrates the 'OMG the mods are just oppressing us' hysteria in which these debate invariably begin, right?

i know i can't fucking win with you guys, but that's the only reason i keep fighting, you know that, right?

That is what makes you a troll.

just when dan thought he was out THEY PULL HIM BACK IN

can we lock this yet?

your call, not mine

not without meeting minutes and a list of action items

This is the thread you're talking about, which was posted mid-week in the middle of vacation season.

you probably shouldn't say "don't expect swift action when we're all likely to be off at the beach" after someone else already said "we were actually having intense behind-the-scenes debates about that" btw

can we lock this yet?

no I think I can get at least 3 more DNs out of this

i dont mind locking this because at this point it has basically nothing to do with whiney, but i am down with trying to straighten out all this mods vs us bullshit because it kinda wears me down that we go through this on the regular

maybe on a different thread idk

xpost: some dude, i am speaking from memory here and finding it in the mod discussion forum is way insano searchwise so i cant absolutely clarify, but i am quite sure that some of us were talking about it, although dan may not have been in on the discussion.

i don't think dan should quit as mod, personally

altho this

If Whiney comes back and continues to be an abusive ass with a secret "oh but it's hust jokes, I really love you guys FUCK YOU haha I'm a scamp!" thread on 77, I will permaban him. ILX does not need that shit.

― lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, November 4, 2010 8:44 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

seems like a borderline vendetta

yeah well whineys letter where he swears that hes going to come back unchanged to bitch about dan and i and how terrible we are at modding prob aggravated that a bit maybe

one thing to remember, no matter who the mods are, it's not a 24-7 on call support line. doesn't excuse any laxity but come on, there are limits to anyone's irl attention here.

one way to fix this would be to just have more mods, but then you'd necessarily make the modding more inconsistent. these things just naturally go on a see-saw.

John, you're confusing that meta-clusterfuck with another one. Since you guys won't revoke my mod privs I looked on our discussion thread and there was no discussion about that request between the time it was created and when I responded to some dude.

yeah well whineys letter where he swears that hes going to come back unchanged to bitch about dan and i and how terrible we are at modding prob aggravated that a bit maybe

― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, November 4, 2010 1:34 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

i think there's a conflation of whiney's posting style here... i don't think he antagonizes mods that often, mostly it's people who post about chillwave or witch house

no matter who the mods are, it's not a 24-7 on call support line

clearly the only way we can sort this is with an ilx funding drive to employ a full-time 24-7 on-call mod

might as well face it you're addicted to mod

xxp

It is really fucking rich to be all "mods should be held to a higher standard of behavior"

(with disclosure that i haven't read the thread since this was posted) for what it's worth i don't really expect a higher standard to be applied to mods. whiney is mad annoying sometimes - everyone agrees with this - hell i'm probably more annoying - and the appropriate response is to call him out on being annoying. call him names, zing him, do what you will - the issue was you did all this and then seemingly went "oh hey i'm a mod, i'll just ban this asshole!" to me that's an abuse of your power. i don't think you can make a reasonable argument that the ban wasn't the result of a personal beef between the two of you. that's what people are objecting to in this case

J0rdan are you willfully ignoring the whole "mods love rape" thing thats been going on for the last week.

for real

J0rdan are you willfully ignoring the whole "mods love rape" thing thats been going on for the last week.

― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, November 4, 2010 1:41 PM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

no, i'm not -- it's pretty unusual for whiney & i think he just sees it as an extension of his "whiney" persona, i don't think he was actually claiming that he was gonna come back and explicitly antagonize the mods

honestly i think whiney was being enough of a dick -- esp cuz dan at that point did pretty much threaten to ban unperson if he didn't change the rape name -- that i don't even think HE would care about a three day ban, but it wasn't clear until earlier today that it would've been a three day ban

also i sb'd whiney upon request so his 30 day sb ban would kick in because we were still under the assumption that dan had banned him for 27 days

...

That makes zero sense to me.

game the system get played

That makes zero sense to me.

― lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, November 4, 2010 1:44 PM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark

which part?

whiney wanted to serve concurrent sentences

nah, it was to prevent him from possibly serving concurrent sentences

from whiney:

I 100% feel like I was temp-banned for annoying Dan Perry and nothing else. I have learned absolutely nothing from this experience and when I return in 27 days, I will continue to post as I always have, even--and especially--if that includes lightly poking fun of the terrible mod decisions of Dan and jjjusten. If they're too thin-skinned to handle that, they can continue temp-banning me and everyone until ILX is the boring cuddle party they so clearly desire.

plz point out where i was wrongly characterizing whiney in this quote

I'd like to point out, just for the point of talking you understand, that as far as I can tell Whiney made like 3 posts about mods/rape/unperson's screen-name. Calling it "going on for the last week" isn't exactly accurate, I don't think.

j0rdan that might have been a bad system game tho because this is whineys 2nd sb which is supposed to be a 60 day ban.

you will rue the terrible day whiney returns to speak the truth before the ppl

nah, it was to prevent him from possibly serving concurrent sentences

...

Did you mean "consecutive"? Because otherwise you are still not making any sense.

yeah, consecutive

only whiney could parlay a 3 day ban into a 63 day ban, I gotta admit the guy goes big

j0rdan that might have been a bad system game tho because this is whineys 2nd sb which is supposed to be a 60 day ban.

― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, November 4, 2010 1:49 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

well at that point it had been established that neither l0u1s jagg3r nor kate served 60 days

plz point out where i was wrongly characterizing whiney in this quote

― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, November 4, 2010 1:47 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

i didn't realize that whiney had made a specific note about you guys in his letter

This is only Whiney's 2nd sb? for real?

:3

Well actually what Sarahel did was revive this thread to say the temp ban was harsh and THEN go and read the Rollins thread to find out why he was tempbanned. Disingenuous as hell.

― Matt DC, Thursday, November 4, 2010 3:15 AM (8 hours ago)

I beg your pardon, what? This came up on a different thread, and Dan had said that basically Whiney got banned for pissing him off. I understand the increasing length of temp ban thing that's built into the system, and that that's why it was 27 days, but not overriding the system, which Dan has done in the past, seemed harsh.

When did omar little become such a policy lovin pussy? shameful, bro.

we're all rollins imo

Wait who cares if I registered today and asked for an invite? What exactly are you guys protecting? So I have to like know some of you guys personally if I want to read the super secret elite board everyone talks about?

― the questeon, Wednesday, September 29, 2010 4:55 PM

it's just kinda hard to have a rational discussion with mods about this kinda thing, when it feels like, as a poster, when you do bring stuff up, you get accused of "meta snark" or "concern trolling" or have your motives questioned. It's kinda the equivalent of when posters accuse mods of conspiring or all posting from the same slumber party.

oh shit i misread the questeon as "the question"!

i <3 the questeon

where was all this mods rapey stuff going on, obviously thats uncool but i didnt see it at all which is why i was all why did whiney get banned

When did omar little become such a policy lovin pussy? shameful, bro.

― the questeon, Thursday, November 4, 2010 3:07 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

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