an open letter to the mods from Whiney G. Weingarten

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It is really fucking rich to be all "mods should be held to a higher standard of behavior" on one hand and then going out of your way to use deliberately provocative language to describe their actions, pretty much daring them to lose it and therefore prove themselves unfit to be a moderator.

also lol @ "ILX Tea Party"

lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:12 (thirteen years ago) link

dunno if everybody's figured this out yet but there is NOT A HOMOGENOUS MOD STYLE.
You don't become a mod and get a handbook. Everybody tries to respect everyone else's decisions and discuss them. Generally if there's a confrontation or disagreement, it gets discussed on the mod board and you get a sense of what the group as a whole thinks. Everyone strives to match a mean.
I don't always agree with some of Hi Dere's hardman modding decisions but then I'm willing to put up with a lot of shit that he isn't and that's our respective prerogative. He's also more of a comedy modder; he'll toss out a one day ban for the lulz and the uproar is mostly just because the log reads it as 27 days or whatever. I kinda like dude's insouciance and "oh you wanted a fight" venom; if anything hi dere is your representative in this congress.
Personally, I haven't SB'd anyone in the past six months and my only attempst at banning were an LJ ban (which kinda shouldn't count) and a bad decision on my part for a threadban when I was figuring out how this worked. But I'm more chaotic neutral and happy to see shit get crazy as long as nobody's feeling's get hurt/no godwin's law/no racist shit/no irl repercussions. Not everybody rolls like that and i can dig it.
real talk: this is a diversion and without some shit-stirring and drama, it can be not enough of a diversion to hold everyone's attention. So some of the 500 post threads on these kinda topics are mostly about talkin' to talk. But nobody should be losing sleep about this stuff and nobody should be taking it personal. it's the internet

a pun based on a popular ilx meme (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link

i hear hi dere is a secret 4channer, a manchurian chandidate as it were

omar little, Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:15 (thirteen years ago) link

I wish someone photoshop Dan w/joker makeup.

romoing my damn eyes (Nicole), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link

It is really fucking rich to be all "mods should be held to a higher standard of behavior" on one hand and then going out of your way to use deliberately provocative language to describe their actions, pretty much daring them to lose it and therefore prove themselves unfit to be a moderator.

Isn't that what kicked this all off in the first place?

Matt DC, Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link

excuse me for being cynical about mods, but the one time in recent memory I started a thread on the MRF board (to have meta-snark deleted from a thread i'd just started!), the request was unanswered for almost 2 days, and when I bumped the thread to complain about the lack of action, Dan, you weren't happy with my tone but at least you took action, which makes me wonder how many mods we have and how vigilant they are about helping out people when they ask for it.

some dude, Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link

can only speak for myself but i troll MRF daily.

a pun based on a popular ilx meme (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:18 (thirteen years ago) link

some dude i remember that specific incident and the facts of the matter is that it took 2 days because we were discussing if it was an appropriate request - we arent really in the business of deleting stuff from threads just because the original poster thinks its a derail unless its pretty egregious.

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:20 (thirteen years ago) link

also its kinda frustrating that now all of a sudden yer new tack is to say that mods are lazy and dont do their jobs?

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:22 (thirteen years ago) link

you know one thing that was never really resolved was who is in the 77 clique

max, Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:23 (thirteen years ago) link

can only speak for myself but i troll MRF daily.

― a pun based on a popular ilx meme (forksclovetofu), Thursday, November 4, 2010 6:18 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is exactly the kind of "one rule for the mods, one rule for everyone else" shit i'm talking about

caek, Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:24 (thirteen years ago) link

excuse me for being cynical about mods, but the one time in recent memory I started a thread on the MRF board (to have meta-snark deleted from a thread i'd just started!), the request was unanswered for almost 2 days, and when I bumped the thread to complain about the lack of action, Dan, you weren't happy with my tone but at least you took action, which makes me wonder how many mods we have and how vigilant they are about helping out people when they ask for it.

I think your cynicism is to an extent manufactured here, just done a quick search and most of your requests were dealt with pretty quickly, but of course that doesn't get a mention...

Matt DC, Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:24 (thirteen years ago) link

ok -- felt like i was being ignored, maybe in that case it wouldn't hurt to say "we'll get back to you" or something?

i'm just saying i see mods taking actions nobody asked for but my experience hasn't been great when i did ask for something, like it always seems like we have this team of Super Friends keeping the trains running on time but then my little amount of firsthand experience made me question that

some dude, Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:24 (thirteen years ago) link

delete request

This is the thread you're talking about, which was posted mid-week in the middle of vacation season.

These are your other MRF threads:

cleanup on aisle 77
maybe delete
delete post(s) from wrong thread
please up date thread title

Exactly how/why do you have cause to be cynical about mods, based on these threads?

lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link

You're basically saying "excuse me for being cynical about mods but here is an example in which I am going to ignore every instance in which they've actually helped me out..."

Matt DC, Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link

how many mod requests have i made, like 3 or 4? i'm just saying i'm pretty sure that's the only one i've made in the last few months and it was a pretty frustrating situation for me. (xpost)

some dude, Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link

ie, you are, possibly subconsciously, inventing shit to support your belief that the moderators are untrustworthy

knock it off

lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link

this is exactly the kind of "one rule for the mods, one rule for everyone else" shit i'm talking about
― caek, Thursday, November 4, 2010 6:24 PM (1 minute ago)

what does this mean?

a pun based on a popular ilx meme (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link

it was a joke about the definition of the word "troll"

lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link

Some Dude, you do realise that this perfectly illustrates the 'OMG the mods are just oppressing us' hysteria in which these debate invariably begin, right?

Matt DC, Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:27 (thirteen years ago) link

i know i can't fucking win with you guys, but that's the only reason i keep fighting, you know that, right?

some dude, Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:27 (thirteen years ago) link

That is what makes you a troll.

lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:27 (thirteen years ago) link

just when dan thought he was out THEY PULL HIM BACK IN

death panel of the mods (Edward III), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link

can we lock this yet?

a pun based on a popular ilx meme (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link

your call, not mine

lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link

not without meeting minutes and a list of action items

call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:29 (thirteen years ago) link

This is the thread you're talking about, which was posted mid-week in the middle of vacation season.

you probably shouldn't say "don't expect swift action when we're all likely to be off at the beach" after someone else already said "we were actually having intense behind-the-scenes debates about that" btw

some dude, Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:29 (thirteen years ago) link

can we lock this yet?

no I think I can get at least 3 more DNs out of this

death panel of the mods (Edward III), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link

i dont mind locking this because at this point it has basically nothing to do with whiney, but i am down with trying to straighten out all this mods vs us bullshit because it kinda wears me down that we go through this on the regular

maybe on a different thread idk

xpost: some dude, i am speaking from memory here and finding it in the mod discussion forum is way insano searchwise so i cant absolutely clarify, but i am quite sure that some of us were talking about it, although dan may not have been in on the discussion.

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:32 (thirteen years ago) link

i don't think dan should quit as mod, personally

altho this

If Whiney comes back and continues to be an abusive ass with a secret "oh but it's hust jokes, I really love you guys FUCK YOU haha I'm a scamp!" thread on 77, I will permaban him. ILX does not need that shit.

― lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, November 4, 2010 8:44 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

seems like a borderline vendetta

ain't no half-trollin (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:33 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah well whineys letter where he swears that hes going to come back unchanged to bitch about dan and i and how terrible we are at modding prob aggravated that a bit maybe

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link

one thing to remember, no matter who the mods are, it's not a 24-7 on call support line. doesn't excuse any laxity but come on, there are limits to anyone's irl attention here.

one way to fix this would be to just have more mods, but then you'd necessarily make the modding more inconsistent. these things just naturally go on a see-saw.

Mannsplain Steamroller (goole), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:35 (thirteen years ago) link

John, you're confusing that meta-clusterfuck with another one. Since you guys won't revoke my mod privs I looked on our discussion thread and there was no discussion about that request between the time it was created and when I responded to some dude.

lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:38 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah well whineys letter where he swears that hes going to come back unchanged to bitch about dan and i and how terrible we are at modding prob aggravated that a bit maybe

― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, November 4, 2010 1:34 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

i think there's a conflation of whiney's posting style here... i don't think he antagonizes mods that often, mostly it's people who post about chillwave or witch house

ain't no half-trollin (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:38 (thirteen years ago) link

no matter who the mods are, it's not a 24-7 on call support line

clearly the only way we can sort this is with an ilx funding drive to employ a full-time 24-7 on-call mod

嬰ハ長調 (c sharp major), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link

might as well face it you're addicted to mod

xxp

death panel of the mods (Edward III), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link

It is really fucking rich to be all "mods should be held to a higher standard of behavior"

(with disclosure that i haven't read the thread since this was posted) for what it's worth i don't really expect a higher standard to be applied to mods. whiney is mad annoying sometimes - everyone agrees with this - hell i'm probably more annoying - and the appropriate response is to call him out on being annoying. call him names, zing him, do what you will - the issue was you did all this and then seemingly went "oh hey i'm a mod, i'll just ban this asshole!" to me that's an abuse of your power. i don't think you can make a reasonable argument that the ban wasn't the result of a personal beef between the two of you. that's what people are objecting to in this case

wakafledia (k3vin k.), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link

J0rdan are you willfully ignoring the whole "mods love rape" thing thats been going on for the last week.

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:41 (thirteen years ago) link

for real

omar little, Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:42 (thirteen years ago) link

J0rdan are you willfully ignoring the whole "mods love rape" thing thats been going on for the last week.

― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, November 4, 2010 1:41 PM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

no, i'm not -- it's pretty unusual for whiney & i think he just sees it as an extension of his "whiney" persona, i don't think he was actually claiming that he was gonna come back and explicitly antagonize the mods

honestly i think whiney was being enough of a dick -- esp cuz dan at that point did pretty much threaten to ban unperson if he didn't change the rape name -- that i don't even think HE would care about a three day ban, but it wasn't clear until earlier today that it would've been a three day ban

ain't no half-trollin (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:42 (thirteen years ago) link

also i sb'd whiney upon request so his 30 day sb ban would kick in because we were still under the assumption that dan had banned him for 27 days

ain't no half-trollin (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link

...

That makes zero sense to me.

lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link

game the system get played

death panel of the mods (Edward III), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link

That makes zero sense to me.

― lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, November 4, 2010 1:44 PM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark

which part?

ain't no half-trollin (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link

whiney wanted to serve concurrent sentences

death panel of the mods (Edward III), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link

nah, it was to prevent him from possibly serving concurrent sentences

ain't no half-trollin (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link

from whiney:

I 100% feel like I was temp-banned for annoying Dan Perry and nothing else. I have learned absolutely nothing from this experience and when I return in 27 days, I will continue to post as I always have, even--and especially--if that includes lightly poking fun of the terrible mod decisions of Dan and jjjusten. If they're too thin-skinned to handle that, they can continue temp-banning me and everyone until ILX is the boring cuddle party they so clearly desire.

plz point out where i was wrongly characterizing whiney in this quote

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:47 (thirteen years ago) link

I'd like to point out, just for the point of talking you understand, that as far as I can tell Whiney made like 3 posts about mods/rape/unperson's screen-name. Calling it "going on for the last week" isn't exactly accurate, I don't think.

What if mod was one of us? (kkvgz), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:48 (thirteen years ago) link

j0rdan that might have been a bad system game tho because this is whineys 2nd sb which is supposed to be a 60 day ban.

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:49 (thirteen years ago) link

you will rue the terrible day whiney returns to speak the truth before the ppl

death panel of the mods (Edward III), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:49 (thirteen years ago) link


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