New York City is for sellouts

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Is it that big of a picture? It's not big on my computer. (I'm assuming you meant mine) It's Sandy Hook, NJ.

http://www.payphone-project.com/payphones/photos/usa/212/square.jpg

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:04 (twenty years ago) link

Another huge one but this isn't mine, no control

http://www.stat.uiuc.edu/~masha/nyc/met1.jpg

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:06 (twenty years ago) link

Breathe easy, DB. Census says more people move from WA to CA every year than vice versa.

(Did you get my email?)

chester (synkro), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:06 (twenty years ago) link

does no one else on this thread seem to realize that "I'm moving to NYC" != "I'm NOT moving anywhere else"? I.E. it is not a diss for god's sake

It's all context, though.

"I'm moving to NYC because it seems cool (or from past experience, one knows it is cool) and I think I would enjoy it given my interests and goals." = very spiff

"I'm moving to NYC because there is nowhere else in the world that has anything like any of this anywhere else and I refuse to believe that anyone would say otherwise and anyone who does just doesn't understand." = er (and NO, I don't think anyone on this thread has said this -- but I have encountered it face to face more than once, and it just makes me scratch my head)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:06 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hp/mastervision/guggenheim.jpg

Ned, you do this on every single thread about any city ever. "Oh yes it's lovely but I only want to live on the west coast". Do you realize this?

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:08 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.dvdtalk.com/images/BMA.jpg

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:08 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.bigappleweb.vitare.de/sightsee/san_gennaro.gif

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:10 (twenty years ago) link

Haha now I'm annoying myself that I'm not at home to scan in my own photographs cos they're better than the touristy shots I'm finding online, fuck being at work.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:10 (twenty years ago) link

I didn't say NYC = Manhattan. I lived in Brooklyn for two of the four years I spent in NYC. And there are plenty of places within city limits that I'm sure are quite relaxing for many people. I personally have trouble relaxing in areas with too many other people around, which is most everywhere in NYC. I did say it was my experience and my situation and not necessarily everyone's.

I think everyone's wanting to move to NYC is fine. It just means that there will be less people in Seattle when I move there at the end of September, and that's fine with me.

martin m. (mushrush), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:10 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, and I do love Brooklyn. Love love love it. But am not prepared to live there again for a long while...

martin m. (mushrush), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:11 (twenty years ago) link

areas with too many other people around, which is most everywhere in NYC

wrong

Asymmetric Cocktails (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:12 (twenty years ago) link

Ned, you do this on every single thread about any city ever. "Oh yes it's lovely but I only want to live on the west coast". Do you realize this?

If I do, it is partially hyperbolic. I've considered a move to Michigan seriously at one point, for instance, in another instance was coming around to the idea of living in the UK, and looking in the future both Australia and New Zealand were captivating enough for me to want to visit again and not necessarily rule out a move. I don't necessarily think I'll be living on the west coast the rest of my life.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:12 (twenty years ago) link

http://medlem.spray.se/johanochelin/chinatow.jpg

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:13 (twenty years ago) link

I've considered a move to Michigan seriously at one point, for instance

I'm so sorry, Ned!

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:20 (twenty years ago) link

We could have a whole spinoff thread on "people who move to places for dumb reasons," I think; I have more respect, approval, whatever, for any of the upthread reasons to move to NYC than I do the "hey, tits and beer, party on!" kids who move to New Orleans. (Or the "hey, Anne Rice and goths, mope on!" kids, for that.)

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:20 (twenty years ago) link

wrong

Fair enough, and you'd know better than I, but in the time I was there I didn't have much luck finding the kind of places I needed to find for me.

Not only that, but the amount of $$ necessary to live there was enough to make relaxation nearly impossible for me even if I had known of a place I could go to be alone for a while.

martin m. (mushrush), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:20 (twenty years ago) link

Heh. It was because of your employer too, Aaron! ;-)

I have more respect, approval, whatever, for any of the upthread reasons to move to NYC

Agreed there. Ain't nobody here idiots none, which is the point, really.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:21 (twenty years ago) link

Well, you made the right decision not moving, obviously!

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:22 (twenty years ago) link

JBR, remember yr approaching this as a natvie NYer and probably don't have the set of expectations in terms of 'relaxation' and 'personal space' that people from other parts of the country have.

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:23 (twenty years ago) link

Sam, I need as much relaxation and personal space as anyone! Also I may be a native New Yorker but I've lived in semi-rural areas and small cities. NYC isn't my only frame of reference.

Asymmetric Cocktails (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:26 (twenty years ago) link

128 new posts in the hour that I was at lunch. That's what I like to see. Gabbnebb, see the caveat at the end of my first post re: native NYers.

The pics are beautiful, but prove nothing. Anybody from any city can post pretty pictures of their home city. Sorry, but it's true.

Anyways, I didn't mean for this thread to be "people that live in NYC, defend it," but rather: Why is NYC is the default place for people to move to? I like NYC, it's great fun, but I've had just as much fun in every city I've lived in or visited. Do people just have no imagination?

NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:26 (twenty years ago) link

The short answer? Yes.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:27 (twenty years ago) link

And JBR is right, it seems quite a fallacy to assume that the people born in NYC have no other frame of reference for living...there's no need for a "unless you were born there" caveat because it's not like any of us are trapped here.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:29 (twenty years ago) link

The pics are beautiful, but prove nothing.

I hate to say this because it sounds like I'm saying "lady, if you have to ask..." but if these photos prove nothing to you about why people would want to move here, I feel sorry for you.

Why is NYC is the default place for people to move to?

Live here for a while (and by "live here" I mean "actually take advantage of the place") and you'll understand why so many people move here.

Asymmetric Cocktails (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:30 (twenty years ago) link

but if these photos prove nothing to you about why people would want to move here, I feel sorry for you.

I really think this is just a very, very subjective thing. What a place looks like wouldn't even make my top ten list for why I would or wouldn't want to live somewhere, and not much of the content (like, what they're photos of, as opposed to how nice they look) would really sway me one way or the other. People want different things from where they are; if that weren't the case, the only things that would vary would be climate and cost of living.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:32 (twenty years ago) link

It's just one of those "use other words please" debates, I suppose. I'm not someone who is looking for tons of personal space/relaxation time but when I want to just be alone I have absolutely no trouble finding it. I understand that there are specific cases and stuff who cannot live at all under city conditions (ie I don't think martin is "wrong" in his case) but as a generalization it's about as accurate and useful as the concept that, for example, everyone in SoCal is vacuous and slow-moving. This is an obvious fallacy as much as everyone in NYC being tense and packed like sardines is.

(xpost--like I said, there is no way to describe in words why any of us live here besides the explanations already given, so we're using pretty pictures to help illustrate. None of us can speak for the specific people being asked about being as they aren't the ones replying to you)

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:33 (twenty years ago) link

Anyways, I didn't mean for this thread to be "people that live in NYC, defend it," but rather: Why is NYC is the default place for people to move to? I like NYC, it's great fun, but I've had just as much fun in every city I've lived in or visited. Do people just have no imagination?

I mean I'd hate to think you're implying that people who choose to live here have no imagination.

Asymmetric Cocktails (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:33 (twenty years ago) link

My photos are not being posted necessarily because of what they look like, though there are a couple of ones that are actually mine (not googled) that I'm kind of proud of. The context and content are the point of mine, not that they're beautiful to look at! One of them is actually my house.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:34 (twenty years ago) link

When I was in Chicago for a month, I was surprised to find that the majority of people I met in, uh, "Chicago hipster bars" weren't from Chicago either. Ohio, Missouri, Michigan, Texas, the Rockies, even some West Coast transplants. So its not only NYC that the kids are moving to.

phil-two (phil-two), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:34 (twenty years ago) link

The pics are beautiful, but prove nothing.

Well, to be fair, NA, you did kinda spring this thread during the day when proud New Yawrkers are at work and can't go home to prepare Powerpoint slides and portfolios. :)

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:38 (twenty years ago) link

When I was in Chicago for a month, I was surprised to find that the majority of people I met in, uh, "Chicago hipster bars" weren't from Chicago either. Ohio, Missouri, Michigan, Texas, the Rockies, even some West Coast transplants. So its not only NYC that the kids are moving to.

Yeah, I always felt like the real sellouts are the people who move to Chicago instead of New York because it's "easier to make it." If that's the case, why not stay in Ohio, Missouri, Michigan, the Rockies, etc.?

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:39 (twenty years ago) link

My school looks like a city unto itself!

http://www.cap.bnl.gov/nufact03/campus_lo2-020924c.jpg

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:40 (twenty years ago) link

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:40 (twenty years ago) link

Again, I kinda like how this thread turned out -- if for anything, that we'll see more "[city that you love] is for sellouts..." threads showing some great and yet not so necessarily touristy photos.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:41 (twenty years ago) link

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:42 (twenty years ago) link

No, PBR, I'm not implying that all New Yorkers lack imagination. I'm implying that people who move to NYC without considering moving to any other US city just because it's NYC so it's gotta be great! lack imagination.

NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:42 (twenty years ago) link

No, PBR, I'm not implying that all New Yorkers lack imagination. I'm implying that people who move to NYC without considering moving to any other US city just because it's NYC so it's gotta be great! lack imagination.

Maybe they're more informed than you think?

Asymmetric Cocktails (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:44 (twenty years ago) link

name one person who moved to nyc for this reason

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:44 (twenty years ago) link

besides momus

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:44 (twenty years ago) link

zing

Asymmetric Cocktails (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:45 (twenty years ago) link

For what reason? Jason Sehorn?

http://www.jericbarnes.com/shp/columbia/images/large_columbia_statue.JPG

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:46 (twenty years ago) link

I only need one good reason to move to NYC and that I've got. Unfortunately I also need a job.

Millar (Millar), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:49 (twenty years ago) link

I'm implying that people who move to NYC without considering moving to any other US city just because it's NYC so it's gotta be great! lack imagination

How do they necessarily lack imagination? NYC is well documented as great by a number of sources. So are some other cities, but arguably none as much as New York. So what imagination are they lacking? The imagination that will convince them that some other city is great when they've never heard anything great about it? Is it lack of imagination that causes people to go with a "sure win" instead of something more risky?

I'm moving to Seattle after living in New York and Nashville, but I don't think I'm any more imaginative now than when I wanted to move to NYC. Seattle was suggested to me by a few people who know me well as a place they thought I'd like, and I had started seriously considering moving there. I finally had a chance to visit it, and I did like it a lot, so I'm moving. But I don't think imagination had much to do with it at all.

martin m. (mushrush), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:49 (twenty years ago) link

My imagination tells me I should live under the sea.

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:50 (twenty years ago) link

in fact, regarding my current occupational experience and situation I'm kind of selling out by staying in the DC area.

xpost for shit

Millar (Millar), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:51 (twenty years ago) link

I only need one good reason to move to NYC and that I've got. Unfortunately I also need a job.

I hear NYC has a huge demand for Ringo Starr impersonators.

Larcole (Nicole), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:52 (twenty years ago) link

My imagination always said I should become a space hooker and pilot the Millennium Falcon to be honest. All silver clothes and space cowboys, yo. What the fuck, NYC is total ass compared to that.

Fuck having a job in NYC, I'm not going to have one in approximately 4 months and it'll be wonderful.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:52 (twenty years ago) link


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