an open letter to the mods from Whiney G. Weingarten

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this ilx tea party shit is lol

omar little, Thursday, 4 November 2010 17:38 (twelve years ago) link

yeah i agree with cad

wakafledia (k3vin k.), Thursday, 4 November 2010 17:38 (twelve years ago) link

in hindsight, the *best* way to handle whiney in that particular thread would have been to check how many sb's he had and let it drop--but hey that didn't happen and here we are.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 November 2010 17:39 (twelve years ago) link

frankly the current situation where WGW got mod banned and then sbed within 24 hours could not illustrate this better imo - yet here we are still arguing about how mods mod. or at least i think that is what we are arguing about? idk anymore frankly

― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, November 4, 2010 1:32 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah i guess we just see this very differently -- to me that illustrates how unnecessary Dan's action was. it's almost like a cop planting drugs on a criminal that's already been caught in the act, why even stick your neck out taking a questionable action when justice will be served either way?

some dude, Thursday, 4 November 2010 17:40 (twelve years ago) link

this could be done manually with minimal extra work afaict

Always my favorite part of a mod thread.

http://tinyurl.com/koalalala (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 4 November 2010 17:41 (twelve years ago) link

yeah because so many people are over 40 sb's at all times

call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 November 2010 17:41 (twelve years ago) link

http://pic.phyrefile.com/n/na/narf/2010/06/14/facepalm.jpg

omar little, Thursday, 4 November 2010 17:41 (twelve years ago) link

We don't really need to go through this again do we?

I'd support the idea of warning people when they hit, say, 40 Suggest Bans, but an automated warning is the very worst way to go about it.

Matt DC, Thursday, 4 November 2010 17:42 (twelve years ago) link

^^^making sense all over the place

call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 November 2010 17:42 (twelve years ago) link

you mean in terms of coding, matt?

wakafledia (k3vin k.), Thursday, 4 November 2010 17:45 (twelve years ago) link

Seems to me like being a mod is a pain in the freakin ass. Other boards that I come across don’t even indulge these discussions so big up to the mods for having a dialog.

In the end it’s just a temp ban and it's like don't you have to go really out of your way to get a ban in the first place?

MOST PEOPLE ON HERE DONT GET BANNED IMO

Aerosol, Thursday, 4 November 2010 17:48 (twelve years ago) link

yeah i guess we just see this very differently -- to me that illustrates how unnecessary Dan's action was. it's almost like a cop planting drugs on a criminal that's already been caught in the act, why even stick your neck out taking a questionable action when justice will be served either way?

What the fuck are you talking about? "Planting evidence" would be editing Whiney's posts into inflammatory nonsense to encourage other people into suggest-banning him. This is a deliberately inflammatory, prejudicial analogy.

My communication method in this instance was too compressed because, quite frankly, I was also severely annoyed at the time, but what I was attempting to accomplish was:

- stopping an unnecessary, IMO destructive derail of the thread (which was dragging on off-topic beef that had been going on for several days on other threads)
- informing Ph1l that his username was offending people and that he should change it

The "27 days" portion of the admin log comment was an allusion to how many times Whiney had been temp-banned. To my knowledge, there's never been a temp-ban that's lasted longer than three but I'm not going to search the archives or the admin log to verify that, so I'll just assume I'm wrong and it's happened a couple of times. Also, and I don't expect anyone to believe this, I was hoping that a temp ban would keep him from getting sb'd yet again, because the point Masonic Boom raises with regard to the anonymity of the suggest ban and how it comes across as a gross popularity contest without any relevant feedback is possibly the best point I've read on this thread with regards to the system as it is currently working (and one reason why I ultimately think the "how many sbs do I have" is a good idea) and has actually been a topic of discussion amongst site mods within the past couple of months.

lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 November 2010 17:51 (twelve years ago) link

lol, all this talk about sbs made me revive the 77 version of that thread, hi dere.

What if mod was one of us? (kkvgz), Thursday, 4 November 2010 17:54 (twelve years ago) link

bring back whiney

homosexual II, Thursday, 4 November 2010 17:55 (twelve years ago) link

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rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Thursday, 4 November 2010 17:57 (twelve years ago) link

well, i said "almost" because i couldn't think of an analogy that didn't involve a more serious offense than what you actually did, sorry.

some dude, Thursday, 4 November 2010 17:58 (twelve years ago) link

it's almost like a cop planting drugs on a criminal that's already been caught in the act

Why would anyone even want to be a mod when you get rhetoric like this? But then I would just ban people at whim so it's not like I'm ever going to be asked to be a mod anyway, the point is probably moot.

romoing my damn eyes (Nicole), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:04 (twelve years ago) link

i did it for the ilx tote bag but tbh in retrospect i regret the decision

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:05 (twelve years ago) link

the MODS have DEATH PANELS

omar little, Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:10 (twelve years ago) link

Why would anyone even want to be a mod when you get rhetoric like this?

really really good question

Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:11 (twelve years ago) link

It is really fucking rich to be all "mods should be held to a higher standard of behavior" on one hand and then going out of your way to use deliberately provocative language to describe their actions, pretty much daring them to lose it and therefore prove themselves unfit to be a moderator.

also lol @ "ILX Tea Party"

lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:12 (twelve years ago) link

dunno if everybody's figured this out yet but there is NOT A HOMOGENOUS MOD STYLE.
You don't become a mod and get a handbook. Everybody tries to respect everyone else's decisions and discuss them. Generally if there's a confrontation or disagreement, it gets discussed on the mod board and you get a sense of what the group as a whole thinks. Everyone strives to match a mean.
I don't always agree with some of Hi Dere's hardman modding decisions but then I'm willing to put up with a lot of shit that he isn't and that's our respective prerogative. He's also more of a comedy modder; he'll toss out a one day ban for the lulz and the uproar is mostly just because the log reads it as 27 days or whatever. I kinda like dude's insouciance and "oh you wanted a fight" venom; if anything hi dere is your representative in this congress.
Personally, I haven't SB'd anyone in the past six months and my only attempst at banning were an LJ ban (which kinda shouldn't count) and a bad decision on my part for a threadban when I was figuring out how this worked. But I'm more chaotic neutral and happy to see shit get crazy as long as nobody's feeling's get hurt/no godwin's law/no racist shit/no irl repercussions. Not everybody rolls like that and i can dig it.
real talk: this is a diversion and without some shit-stirring and drama, it can be not enough of a diversion to hold everyone's attention. So some of the 500 post threads on these kinda topics are mostly about talkin' to talk. But nobody should be losing sleep about this stuff and nobody should be taking it personal. it's the internet

a pun based on a popular ilx meme (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:14 (twelve years ago) link

i hear hi dere is a secret 4channer, a manchurian chandidate as it were

omar little, Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:15 (twelve years ago) link

I wish someone photoshop Dan w/joker makeup.

romoing my damn eyes (Nicole), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:16 (twelve years ago) link

It is really fucking rich to be all "mods should be held to a higher standard of behavior" on one hand and then going out of your way to use deliberately provocative language to describe their actions, pretty much daring them to lose it and therefore prove themselves unfit to be a moderator.

Isn't that what kicked this all off in the first place?

Matt DC, Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:16 (twelve years ago) link

excuse me for being cynical about mods, but the one time in recent memory I started a thread on the MRF board (to have meta-snark deleted from a thread i'd just started!), the request was unanswered for almost 2 days, and when I bumped the thread to complain about the lack of action, Dan, you weren't happy with my tone but at least you took action, which makes me wonder how many mods we have and how vigilant they are about helping out people when they ask for it.

some dude, Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:16 (twelve years ago) link

can only speak for myself but i troll MRF daily.

a pun based on a popular ilx meme (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:18 (twelve years ago) link

some dude i remember that specific incident and the facts of the matter is that it took 2 days because we were discussing if it was an appropriate request - we arent really in the business of deleting stuff from threads just because the original poster thinks its a derail unless its pretty egregious.

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:20 (twelve years ago) link

also its kinda frustrating that now all of a sudden yer new tack is to say that mods are lazy and dont do their jobs?

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:22 (twelve years ago) link

you know one thing that was never really resolved was who is in the 77 clique

max, Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:23 (twelve years ago) link

can only speak for myself but i troll MRF daily.

― a pun based on a popular ilx meme (forksclovetofu), Thursday, November 4, 2010 6:18 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is exactly the kind of "one rule for the mods, one rule for everyone else" shit i'm talking about

caek, Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:24 (twelve years ago) link

excuse me for being cynical about mods, but the one time in recent memory I started a thread on the MRF board (to have meta-snark deleted from a thread i'd just started!), the request was unanswered for almost 2 days, and when I bumped the thread to complain about the lack of action, Dan, you weren't happy with my tone but at least you took action, which makes me wonder how many mods we have and how vigilant they are about helping out people when they ask for it.

I think your cynicism is to an extent manufactured here, just done a quick search and most of your requests were dealt with pretty quickly, but of course that doesn't get a mention...

Matt DC, Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:24 (twelve years ago) link

ok -- felt like i was being ignored, maybe in that case it wouldn't hurt to say "we'll get back to you" or something?

i'm just saying i see mods taking actions nobody asked for but my experience hasn't been great when i did ask for something, like it always seems like we have this team of Super Friends keeping the trains running on time but then my little amount of firsthand experience made me question that

some dude, Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:24 (twelve years ago) link

delete request

This is the thread you're talking about, which was posted mid-week in the middle of vacation season.

These are your other MRF threads:

cleanup on aisle 77
maybe delete
delete post(s) from wrong thread
please up date thread title

Exactly how/why do you have cause to be cynical about mods, based on these threads?

lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:25 (twelve years ago) link

You're basically saying "excuse me for being cynical about mods but here is an example in which I am going to ignore every instance in which they've actually helped me out..."

Matt DC, Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:25 (twelve years ago) link

how many mod requests have i made, like 3 or 4? i'm just saying i'm pretty sure that's the only one i've made in the last few months and it was a pretty frustrating situation for me. (xpost)

some dude, Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:26 (twelve years ago) link

ie, you are, possibly subconsciously, inventing shit to support your belief that the moderators are untrustworthy

knock it off

lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:26 (twelve years ago) link

this is exactly the kind of "one rule for the mods, one rule for everyone else" shit i'm talking about
― caek, Thursday, November 4, 2010 6:24 PM (1 minute ago)

what does this mean?

a pun based on a popular ilx meme (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:26 (twelve years ago) link

it was a joke about the definition of the word "troll"

lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:26 (twelve years ago) link

Some Dude, you do realise that this perfectly illustrates the 'OMG the mods are just oppressing us' hysteria in which these debate invariably begin, right?

Matt DC, Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:27 (twelve years ago) link

i know i can't fucking win with you guys, but that's the only reason i keep fighting, you know that, right?

some dude, Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:27 (twelve years ago) link

That is what makes you a troll.

lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:27 (twelve years ago) link

just when dan thought he was out THEY PULL HIM BACK IN

death panel of the mods (Edward III), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:28 (twelve years ago) link

can we lock this yet?

a pun based on a popular ilx meme (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:28 (twelve years ago) link

your call, not mine

lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:28 (twelve years ago) link

not without meeting minutes and a list of action items

call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:29 (twelve years ago) link

This is the thread you're talking about, which was posted mid-week in the middle of vacation season.

you probably shouldn't say "don't expect swift action when we're all likely to be off at the beach" after someone else already said "we were actually having intense behind-the-scenes debates about that" btw

some dude, Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:29 (twelve years ago) link

can we lock this yet?

no I think I can get at least 3 more DNs out of this

death panel of the mods (Edward III), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:30 (twelve years ago) link

i dont mind locking this because at this point it has basically nothing to do with whiney, but i am down with trying to straighten out all this mods vs us bullshit because it kinda wears me down that we go through this on the regular

maybe on a different thread idk

xpost: some dude, i am speaking from memory here and finding it in the mod discussion forum is way insano searchwise so i cant absolutely clarify, but i am quite sure that some of us were talking about it, although dan may not have been in on the discussion.

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:32 (twelve years ago) link

i don't think dan should quit as mod, personally

altho this

If Whiney comes back and continues to be an abusive ass with a secret "oh but it's hust jokes, I really love you guys FUCK YOU haha I'm a scamp!" thread on 77, I will permaban him. ILX does not need that shit.

― lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, November 4, 2010 8:44 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

seems like a borderline vendetta

ain't no half-trollin (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:33 (twelve years ago) link


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