an open letter to the mods from Whiney G. Weingarten

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yeah see dan acknowledging that you're gonna send people to their rooms if they annoy mod-hat hi dere is the kind of paternalistic bs that ppl legitimately have beef with - adopt a more even-handed perspective or please stop being a mod

xp aero no one is saying that, and most of the noms are jokes. al would be an excellent mod I think

wakafledia (k3vin k.), Thursday, 4 November 2010 15:43 (twelve years ago) link

my first act as mod will be to auto-embed coroner songs into every thread

honkin' on joey kramer (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 4 November 2010 15:43 (twelve years ago) link

Since peeps are bringing up the idea that whiney is not necc the biggest asshole on the site, just the most visible, this is prob a good time to bring up that the same thing kinda applies to whatever mod is the "problem" mod at any given point. the problem is that dudes want mod actions to be visible and explained, but when we do that, it normally turns into a bunch of accusations of hardmanning or meanness or snarkiness or whatever. it'd be WAY easier to just mod without transparency, and lots of sites do exactly that, but thats not how ilx works or should work. this same thing applies to the circling the wagons deal - if we didnt try to explain why a mod action was taken or how certain systematic stuff works, no one would think that, because youd never hear any explanation in the first place.

tbh im not crazy about tying this further into this thread since i think its counterproductive to talk about sorta the big mod concerns in a poster/situation specific thread, but i would be totally down with starting a general mod concerns thread or some such if peeps want to hash some of this out.

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 November 2010 15:47 (twelve years ago) link

not knowing all that being a mod really entails i would be into a tryout period to see if i like it or would do an acceptable job but i'm not gonna actively campaign for it or anything, i don't sincerely thing regime change is the only answer here

some dude, Thursday, 4 November 2010 15:49 (twelve years ago) link

i got an open letter from the weingartenment the other day

am0n, Thursday, 4 November 2010 15:53 (twelve years ago) link

i think dan was pretty clear i explaining this tempban. If mods are taking crap for no other reason than being mods, why the fuck should they react as a normal poster?

Have zinged jj and dan many's the time and there was no 'paternalistic' repercussions. Maybe if you dont act like a brat you dont get sent to yr room i dunno seems p fuckin reasonable.

Reject hi dere's offer of resignation, ban kevin k.

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Thursday, 4 November 2010 15:54 (twelve years ago) link

yeah see dan acknowledging that you're gonna send people to their rooms if they annoy mod-hat hi dere is the kind of paternalistic bs that ppl legitimately have beef with - adopt a more even-handed perspective or please stop being a mod

I read this as "Be better than we are, and never EVER show anger." You know, it's a nice ideal, and it IS the ideal -- it's what we shoot for. But you're not going to get it 100% of the time. Sorry.

Seriously, if you know of a messageboard with more even-tempered mods, please post a link -- I would love to see it and study it.

Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Thursday, 4 November 2010 15:55 (twelve years ago) link

I don't even care, man, I was tired of hearing that I personally was #1 fan of rape jokes and could not get enough of them.

17th Century Catholic Spain (Abbbottt), Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:00 (twelve years ago) link

Like having to hear that, multiple days in a row, in all-caps...it was a bullshit argument and pretty mean too, imo.

17th Century Catholic Spain (Abbbottt), Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:01 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.80stees.com/images/products/Devo_Energy_Dome-Hat.jpg

^ mod-hat

am0n, Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:01 (twelve years ago) link

haha "it could be worse" is always a great defense

poster does something out of line, gets a 27 day ban. mod does something out of line, beats around the bush for 200 posts while his buddies and british attack dog make excuses and gets no action taken against him. that seems to be what happens

wakafledia (k3vin k.), Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:01 (twelve years ago) link

^^^ This is why no one takes you seriously.

Matt DC, Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:02 (twelve years ago) link

wow dude i dont even really know what to say to you at this point

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:03 (twelve years ago) link

aint sb'd u yet man, but just for confirmation did u just refer to me as 'british'?

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:03 (twelve years ago) link

I do.

Fuck off, you little child. This is why you are worthless.

SB away.

lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:04 (twelve years ago) link

Have fun being a mod, some dude.

lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:04 (twelve years ago) link

Part of me feels like I am letting the terrorists win but honestly it is 100% worth it.

lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:05 (twelve years ago) link

I gotta say obv dan can do whatever he wants but the chances of anyone getting elected as new mod out of this clusterfuck is like 0%. no offense to some dude, but 10 hyped up peeps snapping at each other (myself included in that number btw) isnt the best way to find out who works as a site wide mod.

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:09 (twelve years ago) link

it's like when sean connery unloads on the warden at the end of 'the hill'

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:09 (twelve years ago) link

going to restate my no permanent mods idea b/c I think it does well to diminish the us vs. them on both sides. also keeps general moderation more fluid and flexible.

String Yr BLOBs (bnw), Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:12 (twelve years ago) link

more fuiud

faux-naif vs concern troll deathmatch (buzza), Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:13 (twelve years ago) link

But the "us vs them" is totally overexaggerated, it's like 15 posters maximum who get involved in this sort of mod-bashing and because they shout loudly and get involved in 500-post clusterfucks they convince themselves there's a major problem, when actually there isn't.

'No permanent mods' is very harsh on mods like Abbott and Ned and WmC who generally just clear up things on request and don't get directly involved in these sort of things. Also rotating mods would see you pretty soon run out of people who both want to mod and are trusted by the coders to actually do so.

Matt DC, Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:16 (twelve years ago) link

k3vin, i honestly think you are really overstepping the line here, and have been for about a week since the explosion re: finest display names getting moved. the way yer arguing this all is super counterproductive because it keeps returning to the personal and then hackles get obv raised etc, so maybe take it down a notch, huh?

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:18 (twelve years ago) link

The funny thing is that I still don't know what k3vin k. wants to happen/be done. Dan already said the "dumbass" thing was a mistake. What do you want, Jimmy Swaggart style tears?

Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:21 (twelve years ago) link

If "spend more time being civil than uncivil to other posters" is too much for you to bear, don't post here.

― lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 November 2010 13:45 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

whuuuuuuuut?

that excludes most of the board's a-list, past and present

― rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Thursday, 4 November 2010 13:49 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I have never minded Whiney, but I really hate this sort of attitude. So someone like D0m P was, in your opinion, a more worthy poster than, say, Ned, or nabisco, or Abbs, or... well, pretty much the majority of posters here? Ilx, regardless of what you might think, is best when it's not full of snark or zing culture.

emil.y, Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:21 (twelve years ago) link

I do love how people nominations for mod are "let's have a mod who would never ban an awesome bro no matter what he said" -- great look, that

― honkin' on joey kramer (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, November 4, 2010 11:39 AM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark

there's a guy in RI who runs for lieutenant governor and his sole position is "abolish the lieutenant governor post", I vote for him every time

bowlin' wolf (Edward III), Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:23 (twelve years ago) link

I gotta say obv dan can do whatever he wants but the chances of anyone getting elected as new mod out of this clusterfuck is like 0%. no offense to some dude, but 10 hyped up peeps snapping at each other (myself included in that number btw) isnt the best way to find out who works as a site wide mod.

― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, November 4, 2010 12:09 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah i agree with this

some dude, Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:30 (twelve years ago) link

when posters like k3v who generally play nice and don't argue a lot become combative about mod action, it's seen as "man, you're really losing your way, you used to be such a good kid." that's an interesting interpretation imo.

some dude, Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:32 (twelve years ago) link

when the assholes stand up to the mods, they're assholes. when the nice guys stand up to the mods, they're taking things too seriously and need to take it down a notch. that's why we get the "paternalistic" vibe, guys.

some dude, Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:33 (twelve years ago) link

I don't even care, man, I was tired of hearing that I personally was #1 fan of rape jokes and could not get enough of them.

― 17th Century Catholic Spain (Abbbottt), Thursday, November 4, 2010 12:00 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Like having to hear that, multiple days in a row, in all-caps...it was a bullshit argument and pretty mean too, imo.

― 17th Century Catholic Spain (Abbbottt), Thursday, November 4, 2010 12:01 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

most productive fucking thing that's been said all day

call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:34 (twelve years ago) link

I'm still pretty upset about it! I didn't know what to say because I couldn't trust myself to not get really emotional about it though : /

17th Century Catholic Spain (Abbbottt), Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:34 (twelve years ago) link

Just this one thing, anything else it's ducks off my back, you know?

17th Century Catholic Spain (Abbbottt), Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:35 (twelve years ago) link

Lol darra taken for a brit. Did the heroes of '16 die for nothing?

Truther Vandross (jim in glasgow), Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:35 (twelve years ago) link

yeah some dude thats not what i am saying at all so i think yer making the interpretation here not me

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:36 (twelve years ago) link

when the assholes stand up to the mods, they're assholes. when the nice guys stand up to the mods, they're taking things too seriously and need to take it down a notch. that's why we get the "paternalistic" vibe, guys.

feel for u abbott but also agree with this ^

I def got that feeling when I was unhappy w/ the way the sb system was designed

bowlin' wolf (Edward III), Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:39 (twelve years ago) link

but maybe I shouldn't dig up old graves

bowlin' wolf (Edward III), Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:39 (twelve years ago) link

btw if hi dere is no longer a mod, be prepared for even less transparency into mod decisions.

and that's not a snipe at the other mods, but ime he is usually the first one out there taking shit from the rest of us.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:41 (twelve years ago) link

when posters like k3v who generally play nice and don't argue a lot become combative about mod action, it's seen as "man, you're really losing your way, you used to be such a good kid." that's an interesting interpretation imo.

Okay two things:

- I have no real issue with K3v but come on he's always been a pretty fractious poster.
- The reason the mods find arguments like this exasperating is because you insist on making the argument in such a loaded way and this is a case in point.

Matt DC, Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:42 (twelve years ago) link

kev k is persistently needlessly antagonistic and wilfully dense in these threads. Nobody said 'u used b such a nice boy' lots of ppl said 'stfu ur full of it'.

That's not paternalism, that's callin a dude (who yeah is normally a good poster) on the same bullshit in every similar thread.

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:42 (twelve years ago) link

I mean, maybe tell us WHAT, IF ANYTHING, YOU ACTUALLY WANT DONE and maybe then some sort of a decision can be made as and when everyone's calmed down.

If you're just saying "we'd like the mods to stop banning people in the heat of the moment" then yes I think everyone's agreed on that. I personally veer very strongly towards yellow carding and warning people first and then going ahead with the ban if they ignore that, but that's a personal view.

Matt DC, Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:44 (twelve years ago) link

i think moderation should be very much up to the individual churchgoer

caek, Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:46 (twelve years ago) link

I love lessons learned

bowlin' wolf (Edward III), Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:48 (twelve years ago) link

this is just a suggestion, no agenda, but i think whiney should be permabanned but encouraged to frequently submit open letters to the mods to be published here.

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:48 (twelve years ago) link

man dont bring 'the church' into this

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:48 (twelve years ago) link

xp: ha

lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:48 (twelve years ago) link

eventually to be collected into a handsomely bound volume

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:51 (twelve years ago) link

what about a handsomely bound whiney g. whinegarten?

What if mod was one of us? (kkvgz), Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:53 (twelve years ago) link

dmac i'm sorry i called you british

i don't think my point that it's unfair how dan gets a mod pass for comparably frowned-upon behavior while whiney gets banned is particularly unreasonable tho. i washalf-trolling too which was my fault. that is all

wakafledia (k3vin k.), Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:56 (twelve years ago) link

k3v has "always been a fractious poster"? maybe it's just cause i don't read the politics threads much or wherever he starts shit, to me he's like the least controversial autogoon/77 dude.

some dude, Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:56 (twelve years ago) link

top of the mornin kev, i respect ur passion even if shit gets heated

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:57 (twelve years ago) link


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