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thanks, r.s. i wonder if i could find some of the better material you recommend above on one of the bourgeoning mp3 blogs...

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 13 August 2006 03:22 (thirteen years ago) link

I haven't been looking lately. Maybe we can arrange something?

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 13 August 2006 03:30 (thirteen years ago) link

sure--email me and tell me if you're looking for anything!

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 13 August 2006 03:50 (thirteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
I like Rachid Taha's comments in his recent "Invisible Jukebox" interview in The Wire. He immediately calls Nahj El Borda (I think it was) "psychedelic." I hear it that way too, but not everyone knows what I'm talking about when I say this or that Arabic thing sounds "psychedelic."

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 01:18 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...
I had a dream that Oum Kalthoum was still alive and that she sang at some sort of ceremony dedicating a religious site (also somehow connected to my job in the dream). She was singing together with some other people, including one of my co-workers. Somehow I wasn't involved and didn't get to meet her, but I told someone in the dream that Oum Kalthoum's career had started in 1910 (not necessarily true, but I don't remember off-hand) and wasn't it amazing that she was still going (in 2007).

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link

My dreams are so self-parodic!

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

The beginning of "Baid Anak" is now up on youtube. (There are other parts up too. I haven't checked to see if it is a complete concert. The CD copy of this is quite long, and even it, I think, leaves off a portion of the instrumental intro. here, though I haven't listened for a while, so I'm not positive.) This opening passage is one of my favorite Oum Kalthoum performances (and it's from relatively late in her career). Notice how she totally works off the one possibly overzealous audience member who calls out (around 4:26ish) and just takes everything deeper. This is absolute must-see if you are remotely interested in Oum Kalthoum:


Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 02:16 (thirteen years ago) link

Performing "Al Atlal" in Paris:


Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 04:53 (thirteen years ago) link

Another "Al Atlal"!


(This was something she performed very heavily in her international touring at one point in the 60s. Not like I was there, alas.)

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 12:17 (thirteen years ago) link

This is pretty amazing (one-hand oud solo version of "Inta Omri"):


Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 12:34 (thirteen years ago) link

Interesting. This Kuwaiti audience behaves more like a western audience than maybe any other audience I've seen/heard in an Oum Kalthoum live recording.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 12:52 (thirteen years ago) link

five months pass...

another victim of ilx2 thread title truncation

Lingbert, Monday, 12 November 2007 00:10 (twelve years ago) link

Yes, it's sad. What is it with people reviving my old threads today? (Not complaining, it's just weird.)

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 12 November 2007 00:21 (twelve years ago) link

If only ILX could do Arabic script - then we would only need one version of her name.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Monday, 12 November 2007 13:12 (twelve years ago) link

four months pass...

Hey Rockist Scientist or someone, can you date/rate these two new eMusic acquisitions....?



Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 18:04 (twelve years ago) link

or daterape

Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 18:04 (twelve years ago) link

I think I have a copy of this first one, but I will have to check and get back to you once I'm at home.

_Rockist__Scientist_, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 18:33 (twelve years ago) link

I'm checking out Ozkourini now. I think I picked this up in one of the last batches of Oum Kalthoum CDs I bought, which I haven't listened to all that much. This didn't really stand out for me, but sometimes it takes me a while to get into particular recordings by the subject of this thread. There are some fine solo violin passages so far.

There was just a big "ALLAH!" from the audience which I didn't see coming, which means I'm not quite clicking with it. Usually when I really click with one of these performances, I know when the audience is about to flip out.

It's very dark and brooding (presumably, romantically), even by the standards of her repertoire.

_Rockist__Scientist_, Thursday, 13 March 2008 01:13 (twelve years ago) link

The pace is finally picking up somewhat, but I'd have to say this is not something I'd recommend to someone who hasn't heard a bunch of her other music already.

_Rockist__Scientist_, Thursday, 13 March 2008 01:20 (twelve years ago) link

I've never seen the movie clip for this song before. "Ha Ablou Bokra," one of my favorite relatively shorter songs from her career:


_Rockist__Scientist_, Thursday, 13 March 2008 02:13 (twelve years ago) link

five months pass...


life at the Uum Kulthum cafe in Iraq

Devotees of the Sad, Beautiful Voice of Umm Kulthum

By Andrea Bruce
Washington Post Staff Photographer
Monday, August 11, 2008; A11

The cafe's dust-streaked sign is lost amid the chaos of old Baghdad. But a painted silhouette of a woman hangs above the entrance, signaling the way to an unlighted, soot-covered hallway stacked with broken generators.

Through the passage, street sounds fade and a woman's voice becomes clear. A reel-to-reel tape player is spinning the songs of the Egyptian singer Umm Kulthum. More than 30 years after her death, she is still probably the best-known and most beloved singer in the Middle East.

Several regulars -- well-dressed men who appear to be in their 50s -- sit on benches in the multitiered room known as the Umm Kulthum Cafe. They sip tea as they listen.

"Her voice is sweet," says Waheed A. Fatia, 61, who claims to have had an Umm Kulthum obsession since he was 10. "She has layers, a rich soprano. And she performs improvised, like American jazz."

Hookah pipes bubble, the fragrant smoke competing with the harsh, unfiltered cigarette smoke from the other side of the room, where men flip dominoes or softly move a rook into check. They play from midmorning to early evening, every day, to the sad, beautiful voice of Umm Kulthum. The cafe plays nothing else.

"No one obeys laws now, or has pride," Waheed says. "No security. No stability. But through all of this," he adds, looking around the cafe, "this is the same."

Less than a minute later, four young men wearing soccer jerseys and T-shirts emerge from the hallway and approach the cafe manager. They are members of the Sons of Iraq, former insurgents now allied with U.S. forces, here to collect the monthly "protection" fee of 15,000 Iraqi dinars -- about $12.

"This used to be a good street. With a bus stop, nightlife," says Jehad el-Obeiedi, 70, a retired movie director. "They called it 'the city of singing.' There was a famous nightclub next door."

From age-blackened paintings and framed black-and-white photos, Umm Kulthum looks down over her fans from every wall of the cafe while they hum her songs.

"We listen to her every day," Obeiedi says, "as if listening to it for the first time."

Washington Post photographer Andrea Bruce is documenting the lives of people in Iraq in a feature, Unseen Iraq, appearing regularly in the World pages. For a photo gallery and previous columns, visit http://blog.washingtonpost.com/unseen-iraq.

curmudgeon, Friday, 15 August 2008 18:01 (eleven years ago) link

four months pass...

Still the best.

_Rockist__Scientist_, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 20:24 (eleven years ago) link

I think there might be a tribute to her coming up as part of the February and March Arabic Music events coming to the Kennedy Center in DC

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 20:36 (eleven years ago) link

Oum Kalthoum rehearsing a song she never formally recorded or publically performed:

_Rockist__Scientist_, Friday, 2 January 2009 19:05 (eleven years ago) link

rockist can you send something our way? post a link on yousendit perhaps? I'm very interested to hear some more of her if possible.

Moka, Saturday, 3 January 2009 09:14 (eleven years ago) link

My access to the internet is kind of limited at the moment (no dsl at home), so if I do it, it won't be real soon..

Also they are using a two year old version of Explorer in the library here making it hard for me to proof my posts, thanks to the way they display. I think I need to ask about updating that again.

_Rockist__Scientist_, Saturday, 3 January 2009 19:37 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Moka check your e-mail (& continue checking).

_Rockist__Scientist_, Monday, 26 January 2009 21:30 (eleven years ago) link

Okay I'm already finished. I forgot just how easy everything has become. (Connection speeds here are usually really slow though, but that didn't seem to have an impact in this case.)

_Rockist__Scientist_, Monday, 26 January 2009 21:37 (eleven years ago) link

eight months pass...

There's some nice ol black & white footage of her with Youssou N'Dour talking about growing up listening to her, in the new Youssou N''Dour movie doc I recently saw that focussed on the making and promotion of his Egypt album.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 14:18 (ten years ago) link

this is prob my favorite thread title ever

mark cl, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 15:05 (ten years ago) link

How is it possible that there is footage of her talking to Youssou N'Dour? She died in 1975. But now on checking Youssou N'Dour's bio I see that he started singing when he was 12 and was already a big hit in the early 70s, so I suppose it's not impossible. I will have to look for this.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 22:47 (ten years ago) link

No, that's not what I meant-- I left out a comma and phrased that poorly. Youssou is shown in the documentary talking about Oum and the movie cuts away to a black and white film clip of Oum. Youssou talks about listening to Oum on the radio as a kid.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 04:07 (ten years ago) link

noone but rockist scientist is likely to care, but laure daccache died in 2005. i hadn't known.


amateurist, Saturday, 24 October 2009 07:17 (ten years ago) link

Actually, I put that on this thread:

Arabic music (not elsewhere classified)

You must have missed it.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 24 October 2009 07:28 (ten years ago) link

And by the way, this guy has an amazing youtube channel:


_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 24 October 2009 07:30 (ten years ago) link

holy shit. wish i could read arabic so i know what the different videos are!

amateurist, Saturday, 24 October 2009 07:44 (ten years ago) link

nine months pass...

I finally bought Ansak and it turns out that (1) it's great (so far) and (2) I already know the basic outline of the song from a George Wassouf Reader's Digest condensed version. It's got this one little hook that I have always loved. I think I need to rate Baligh Hamdi a little more highly than I have lately. (On the other hand, I think he probably ended up writing too much and maybe taking too many drugs. But with Oum Kalthoum, anyone doing compositions for her gets filtered through a serious quality control mechanism.)

The volume is a little low on this clip, but it's worth it for the crazy audience:


(Once again, I wish my mom had lived long enough for me to get her into Oum Kalthoum. I know she would have loved her.)

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 12:51 (nine years ago) link

five months pass...

Give me my freedom, set free my hands!

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 31 January 2011 05:33 (nine years ago) link

(errata: Al-Atlal)

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 31 January 2011 05:34 (nine years ago) link

You cannot get what you want in this world by wishing; you must take it by force
--"Salû Qalbî"

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 31 January 2011 05:39 (nine years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I think what comes across the most in this interview is simply her control, especially her control of her image. She definitely doesn't seem like the easiest interviewee:


_Rudipherous_, Monday, 14 February 2011 15:43 (nine years ago) link

two weeks pass...

This slays:


I think an excerpt from this is included in the documentary A Voice Like Egypt.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 04:15 (nine years ago) link

I think I don't have a recording of this song either.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 04:15 (nine years ago) link

six months pass...

"I put on music: Little Miss Train, a collaboration, Van Morrison duetting with Coirsa Yakov, the Besz Umm Kalsoum as he was called, on his 1987 tour."--from The City & the City, by China Mieville.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:13 (eight years ago) link

nine months pass...

Spotify seems to have massively upgraded their Oum Kalthoum holdings, or at least the way they are presented. Hopefully they've caught some of the glitchy files as well. But at a glance it seems like there are more songs available now. If not, they are at least better organized.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 00:05 (eight years ago) link

five months pass...

Here's the live recording of Hazihi Leylati, which is inexplicably difficult to find:


This is still probably my favorite Abdel Wahab songs sung by Oum Kalthoum.

redress control number (_Rudipherous_), Thursday, 6 December 2012 04:27 (seven years ago) link

Actually, this isn't even the same live version I have on cassette. Of course!

redress control number (_Rudipherous_), Thursday, 6 December 2012 04:36 (seven years ago) link

Less playful and inspired.

redress control number (_Rudipherous_), Thursday, 6 December 2012 04:37 (seven years ago) link

two months pass...

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