Come anticipate "The Dark Knight Rises" with *BATSPOILERS*

Batman vs Bronson <---much better idea

Hardy could be a less well-known villain who they make as the official lead. Or how about the Penguin?

Pretty sure the villain is going to be Catwoman.

^^^my money's on this, seeing as how Maggie Gyllenhaal is still alive and under contract for the third movie

Maggie Gyllenhaal isn't playing Catwoman.

Pretty sure Christopher Nolan is the villain here.

xpost -- "Why Robin you've...changed."

Maggie Gyllenhaal isn't playing Catwoman.

and you say this, why...?

Because she played a character who died in the last movie. It's a stupid idea that audiences would find confusing.

xp She might be an interesting Catwoman, but what is it in Rachel Dawes' psychology/character arc that would make her return as a villain?

It will be hard for the third film to top the crazed-nihilist-attacks-the-city angle so it makes sense that they might go for a more ambiguous villain, someone who aligns with Batman in a different way to the Joker.

hardy as a nu-style Hugo Strange would give them a decent sci-fi angle

And characters rising from the dead isn't in keeping with Nolan's ultra-realistic real-world non-fantastical realistic Gotham.

Hoping it's Bane, frankly.

Because she played a character who died in the last movie. It's a stupid idea that audiences would find confusing.

I see you are unfamiliar with the cats/nine lives mythos. most importantly, you don't see her die on-screen. there are several oblique references to cats in the movie. how her character arc would be handled is a little more difficult to work out, but obviously the being betrayed by Bruce/let down by Batman thing would figure in

but really the dead giveaway is that she's under contract for the third movie.

what, do you think she's going to appear in a bunch of flashbacks or something.

I think haunting flashbacks make more sense for Nolan than magical resurrections.

I may be forgetting someone, but the options for new elements are basically Sexy Time With Catwoman, wacky mob types (Ventriloquist, Maxie Zeus, etc), sci-fi dudes (Freeze, Strange), vigilantes with an oppositional moral code (Azrael, Anarky) and monsters (Bane, Croc).

At once.

but really the dead giveaway is that she's under contract for the third movie.

what, do you think she's going to appear in a bunch of flashbacks or something.

― men just grunt it all out together (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, October 27, 2010 1:42 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

so is Aaron Eckhart, it doesn't mean anything

i don't think nolan wants to return to the burton well too often and i don't think he's going to really mess around with "rises from the dead" kinda shit, like that article likewise suggests.

I guess there's also clue-leaving serial types like Riddler and Zsasz but with Nolan saying his inspiration was that this is the Last Batman Movie he'll probably go for bigger game than just Solvin' Puzzles With Bats.

given that the moral quandaries involved with being Batman are central to Nolan's take on the character, having his longtime paramour become warped/turned against him would fit in nicely

and again I don't see any need for "magical" resurrections - you don't see her die on-screen, you see an explosion. people survive movie explosions ALL THE TIME

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yeah being under contract doesn't mean they have been paid and are gonna appear, it just suggests to me she's there just in case she's needed for something like flashbacks or nightmares or something.

Hoping it's Bane, frankly.

― James Mitchell, Wednesday, October 27, 2010 5:39 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

man itd be pretty sweet to have AZRAEL around -- that saga was so chill

with Nolan saying his inspiration was that this is the Last Batman Movie he'll probably go for bigger game than just Solvin' Puzzles With Bats.

^^^totally agree with this. this is going to be some conclusive-character-arc sorta stuff

"Oh hey, Gordon, you know how Harvey went apeshit because his girlfriend died in that explosion? Turns out she survived, crawled out, and didn't tell anyone until his madcap time as Two-Face came to an end."

"Oh, the sad, plausible irony!"

from the themes & plot points set up in the first two movies, really seems like the next villain will be a false good guy heroically persusing the dangerous menace 'bat man' for the good of the city, but really working for shady moneyed interests or his/her own whacked psychology. if batman was 'order' and joker 'chaos', i bet number 3 works on an inversion of this.

or a glory-hunter type who pulls crazy stuff in a reality-show way w/o batman's principles. super-celebrity for its own sake kind of a thing.

but i don't know comics so i dunno who these would be.

MAN-BAT

Turns out she survived, crawled out, and didn't tell anyone until his madcap time as Two-Face came to an end."

um, his madcap time as Two-Face lasted all of what, a day? two days?

MAN-BAT

― lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Wednesday, October 27, 2010 5:49 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

^^omg this is the best idea

shakey, she's not going to be catwoman, please stfu.

Why couldn't the title have been "The Dark Knight Returns"? It would've probably fit thematically (I assume that in the third movie Batman will reclaim the status he lost in the end of DK), and it would certainly have resonance among Batman fans. Plus it sounds better than "The Dark Knight Rises" - didn't that "rise" already happen in the first movie?

I was just about to say Man-Bat would rule. I'm sure Nolan doesn't have the guts to go with that angle though.

Because then people would be expecting an adaptation of the comic.

um, his madcap time as Two-Face lasted all of what, a day? two days?

you're right, the cops declared her dead without finding remains, she crawled off for two days and will come back dressed as a cat, having decided the town needs another animal-themed adventurer

The Nolan bros were like "oh shit, how did it take us two years to come up with a plot when THAT was staring at us the whole time!"

ha i thought two-face survived and i'm pretty sure i saw the movie twice.

you guys are missing the obvious angle here:

Catwoman appears... and is played by AARON ECKHART

anyway i hope shakey is wrong because maggie g is not so great at the acting and would make a super awful catwoman.

most importantly, you don't see her die on-screen.

in 'the dark knight' you really don't see anyone die on-screen, they keep a lot of it off-camera. or maybe the chechen wasn't actually cut up and fed to his dogs! sal maroni just broke his other leg in the car wreck! detective wuertz was just grazed by dent's bullet!

i think maggie g is really good tbh and fine in that particular role, but she wouldn't be suited to play catwoman.

in 'the dark knight' you really don't see anyone die on-screen

um, the pencil trick?

yeah, that's the other thing, I don't think Maggie G has any ability to like... vamp or be threatening at all.

in 'the dark knight' you really don't see anyone die on-screen,

my big hope was that Eric Roberts survived and will come back with a Greek mythology fixation...as MAXIE ZEUS

aside from likely being very hot, catwoman is a lousy idea for the next villain. sort of glad the riddler's not going to be the next villain, either. but who does that leave? penguin sounds equally lame, and unlike a nolan villain-type.

the most Nolan-esque villain is Victor Zsasz

my batman 3 would basically involve all the mob lords picking out their stylish trademark ("hmmm...I did always love Lewis Carroll") and getting really fucking annoying, forcing anarky to realize that all these weirdos are batman's fault.

as a non-comix person, 'rahz al-guhl' (sp) was a new one on me, and it worked fine. and yeah, none of the a-list batman villains seem very nolan-y

FWIW Marion Cotillard turned down a part in Batman 3, and it was thought it would've been either Catwoman or Talia al Ghul.

omg you guys, there was a CATMAN

Tom Hardy as Black Mask or Zsasz would be pretty fucking dope.

if Maggie G is in this as Catwoman i will not see it.

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I thought they really wasted an opportunity with Ra's al Ghul in BB... he's supposed to be a badass immortal arab mastermind, Liam Neeson with a glued on moustache didn't really fit the bill for me.

I hope they don't go with a lame new school villain like Bane or Zsasz (or Hush).