*** ILE Best Films of the 1970s REVEALED ***

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also this poll doesn't drop trou for recent deluxe reissue nearly as much as sight and sound or voice polls. deluxe reissue : film polls :: having a good month for a contender in august/september : mvp voting. but then again you don't get baseball either so maybe that's too 'subtle' for you.

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 8 September 2005 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link

it's basically south pacific with less songs

Ha, except the "I'm Gonna Wash That Man Right Outta My Hair" scene ends somewhat differently...

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 September 2005 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link

So Play It Again Sam, an "entertaining" and "fun" movie, places at #67 out of 100. What exactly is the problem with that? Does a movie have to be dramatic to be great? (I personally think it's the funniest movie I've ever seen, which is why I voted for it.)

jedidiah (jedidiah), Thursday, 8 September 2005 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't see why anyone would get upset about anything under #50. With so few people voting, at least the bottom half of the poll is pretty much meaningless.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 8 September 2005 17:12 (eighteen years ago) link

So Jed, you think Woody's other films woulda been funnier if Herbert Ross directed them? (thx to the stars and Neil Simon doing what he's good at for a change, The Sunshine Boys is a funnier Ross movie btw)

>morbs prefers pakula to waters, roeg to herzog.

Funny blount, I snubbed the guys I "prefer" in the poll and voted for Female Trouble and Aguirre. cold, incoherent and shitfaced is no way to go thru life suhhhh... (ya don't say the N)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 September 2005 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link

that is funny! and your father disagrees with you on the second point (he disagrees with you on the pronunciation of 'son' also, but perhaps yr smug center-right yuppie act caused someone to knock your two front teeth out long ago in which case i won't poke fun or fuhhh if 'ya' don't say the n).

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 8 September 2005 18:38 (eighteen years ago) link

center-right yuppie? man, show the evidence and i'll blow you (with all teeth intact, so look out).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 September 2005 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link

i like all the president's men despite the fact that being a journalism major has forced me to sit through it in, oh, about three different classes. it's prob not a 'great' movie (tho i'd take it over m*a*s*h any day, the only thing i like about that is the closing credits) but it's not 'pure crap' by any means.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 8 September 2005 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I doubt if Woody's other films would be funnier if Ross directed them; I think it has more to do with Woody's writing than Ross's direction. Play It Again Sam just seems more consistently funny to me than, say, Everything You Always Wanted to Know..., or Bananas, or Sleeper, which I love, don't get me wrong, but there are several bits that fall flat.

jedidiah (jedidiah), Thursday, 8 September 2005 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I think of Sleeper as Woody's first 'mature' comedy (while still slapstick) -- it's certainly much more cinematic than Play It Again Sam, which very much wears its Broadway origin despite the 'opening-up' and SF location shots.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 September 2005 19:39 (eighteen years ago) link

More comments:

Straw Dogs: Jay Cocks was on to something when he said (I paraphrase) this was the first major American film to be devoid of heroes. I know that the whole "blood shed as rite of passage" angle gets played up alot, but even Peckinpah said the theme was about coming to terms with the evil you are capable of doing.

M*A*S*H: If you think about it, this movie is notable for two rarely discussed reasons--(1) It sets up a formula for some Altman, meaning throw a diverse bunch of people into a common community situation for a set period of time (Nashville, Short Cuts, McCabe, Popeye) and devote the last act entirely to some event (the concert in Nashville, the Reno card game in California Split, the shoot-out/church fire in McCabe), and (2) This is the spiritual birth of flicks like Animal House, Stripes and such (straights vs. hip rebels with comic results etc).

Useless trivia: M*A*S*H frequently gets compared to Mike Nichols' very good take on Catch-22 (which may or may not be coming up on the list). For those who haven't seen Catch-22, or have seen it and missed it, look closely at the soldiers in line at Milo's brothel. That dazed-looking one standing in the curve of the line inside the building is Alan Alda, star of the M*A*S*H TV show.

Marxism Goes Better With Coke (Charles McCain), Thursday, 8 September 2005 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link

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39. Stalker
Andrei Tarkovsky, 1979

Points: 67
Total Votes: 5
First Place Votes: 1

Pashmina: I think the best part of "Stalker" is the whole sequence from where the protagonists enter the zone in their land-rover, up to where they get into the zone, and you see the abandoned tanks, bodies in armoured cars etc. The part where they are on the little rail trolly, and you can see the landscape behind them changing is just phenomenally good, esp w/the newer artemiev soundtrack.

Reed Moore: - the reason I prefer Stalker is how expertly he creates the world of 'the zone' without resorting to any kind of cheap special effects, relying instead on more subtle effects of lighting and color to create that sense of foreboding. The shots of the undulating grass, the close-ups of the water with the submerged industrial detritus, the characters' physical disorientation and circular travels while in the zone, the encounter with the telephone -- all add up to one of the more eerie and unsettling films where nothing really overtly *scary* ever happens.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Thursday, 8 September 2005 23:45 (eighteen years ago) link

'newer' artemyev soundtrack? was it revised?

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 9 September 2005 00:03 (eighteen years ago) link

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38. Cries & Whispers
Ingmar Bergman, 1972

Points: 69
Total Votes: 4
First Place Votes: 2

Jedidiah: Harrowing. Bergman and Sven Nykvist's use of color is highly effective and astonishing.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 9 September 2005 00:06 (eighteen years ago) link

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37. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

Milos Forman, 1975

Points: 70
Total Votes: 7
First Place Votes: 0

Justyn: With its unreliable narrator and LSD-influenced narrative, Ken Kesey's novel is the
epitome of the unfilmable book, but it worked incredibly well taken straight, with Jack Nicholson and Louise Fletcher doing a lot to humanize their rather archetypal characters. A fine supporting cast, most of whom later wound up on "Taxi."

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 9 September 2005 00:17 (eighteen years ago) link

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36. Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Terry Gilliam and Terry Jones, 1975

Points: 72
Total Votes: 7
First Place Votes: 0

Girolamo Savonarola: I think it's exceedingly hard in Western society (especially among males) to find someone who can actually speak of this film rationally and without total bias. I know I've seen it way too often to be able to look at it at all vaguely objectively. Is my laughter to this film reflexive now, or does it remain genuine? God knows. I haven't seen it in a while anyway, but I have the movie embedded in my memory, so why bother? The director's cut sucked, by the way, not b/c they made the movie bad, but because they were the least noticeable changes a director's cut has had in a long time. On the other hand, any excuse to roll this back out into the big screens again is fine with me. I wonder, though, if MP is at risk of such cultural saturation to the point that it all sorta cancels out as humor? Or worse, if they run the risk of being so seen that they age badly (a la Mel Brooks)?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 9 September 2005 00:23 (eighteen years ago) link

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35. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
Tobe Hooper, 1974

Points: 73
Total Votes: 9
First Place Votes: 0

s1ocki: texas chainsaw massacre (the original) is truly one of the most horrifying films i have ever seen!

chaki: texas chainsaw massacre is great. it makes you feel so hot and sweaty and dirty and hillbilly

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 9 September 2005 02:24 (eighteen years ago) link

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34. Cabaret

Bob Fosse, 1972

Points: 74
Total Votes: 6
First Place Votes: 0

anthony: A movie that i am rewatchig for the umpteenth time and realizng how economical its stagig and acting is , underplyed where it needs to be and overplayed when it needs to be , symbolic , shimmering , writhing and decadent , perhaps the best american movie to come out of the fabled auter driven 70s ?

Jonnie: I quite like the film but Liza Minelli dances like a duck.

Dirty Vicar: . I greatly admire its inventiveness and the way scenes are posed and shot. Am I right in thinking that some of the crowd scenes in the cabaret place are meant to look like actual paintings of the period?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 9 September 2005 02:29 (eighteen years ago) link

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33. Young Frankenstein
Mel Brooks, 1974

Points: 82
Total Votes: 7
First Place Votes: 1

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 9 September 2005 02:36 (eighteen years ago) link

My comment: I hate Young Frankenstein. It's beautifully shot, I can certainly see the artistic value in it, but the humor doesn't jive with me at all. The timing seems wrong, I'm sure it's paced that way on purpose, but I find myself stabbing my eyes out. And Frankenstein's yelping/moaning hurts me.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 9 September 2005 02:37 (eighteen years ago) link

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32. Last Tango in Paris
Bernardo Bertolucci, 1973

Points: 84
Total Votes: 6
First Place Votes: 1

Nicole Graham: When I was 8, I first saw Last Tango In Paris on terrestrial TV. I thought, "What's the big deal? They're naked." Sneak-watching my first porn flick (at 11) had greater impact, though I wasn't sure why at the time.

Reed Moore: I'm recalling the scene where Maria Schneider tells Brando he's self-centered and that he doesn't take an interest in the details of her life. And he's on that ladder, and then he climbs down, and he places his harmonica on her head, and then he goes into the other room. And Maria masturbates, while he breaks down and cries. Recalling this scene, right now, I am bawling like a baby. Brando was incredible. THE BEST. I know, apres his death, us cinemaphiles are probably sick of the hosannas and so forth. But make no mistake, this man was incredible.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 9 September 2005 02:45 (eighteen years ago) link

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31. Harold & Maude

Hal Ashby, 1971

Points: 89
Total Votes: 8
First Place Votes: 0

Comments ?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 9 September 2005 02:50 (eighteen years ago) link

COMMENT BY RICH GIN: I am proud that my mom gave me this move when I was 12 and didn't have to wait a decade for the Anderson revivalists to take it over

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 9 September 2005 02:51 (eighteen years ago) link

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30. Alien
Ridley Scott, 1979

Points: 89
Total Votes: 10
First Place Votes: 0

Lee G: I love the first movie above all, and am looking forward to seeing in on the big screen again after years of small-screen reruns. Having gotten the DVD last year, I was shocked to be reminded a) how great and imaginative it looks, still, retro computer interfaces notwithstanding, and b) that there is acutal stuff visible in the dark spots of the murked-out versions you get on cable. That said, Ridley Scott is not exactly a master storyteller or extravagant shooter, so I have a hard time imagining what "extra footage" he's gonna insert that hasn't already shown up on the DVD--extra footage, I might add, that I think he was right to leave out.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 9 September 2005 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link

quiet here tonight, I'll be back tomorrow with 29-20, and the rest over the weekend.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 9 September 2005 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link

"In space, no onecan hear you snore."

I'm intrigued by the "timing" complaint on YF, Jeff. Too slow? It's classic Jewish humor/vaudeville timing. Have you only seen it at home -- I'm thinking the spaces left for the audience to laugh bothers you? Also, Peter Boyle's perf is probably the most touching in Brooks' oeuvre (not to mention his priceless takes in the Hackman scene).

Brndo's great, but Play It Again Sam is far less sexist than Last Tango in Paris.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 September 2005 12:17 (eighteen years ago) link

My comment: I hate Young Frankenstein.

B-b-but, "Puttin' on the Ritz"!

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 9 September 2005 12:31 (eighteen years ago) link

It's classic Jewish humor/vaudeville timing.

That makes a lot of sense, so I'd just chalk it up to my strange taste. I don't like many comedies in general, and most of the ones I do are from the 90s. I do like the look though, I'd watch it with the sound off any time.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 9 September 2005 13:00 (eighteen years ago) link

There were comedies in the '90s?

The look is from the James Whale '30s Frankensteins, which are better choices for being watched with the sound off (not that their dialogue is bad -- well, cept for Colin Clive's).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 September 2005 13:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Office Space!

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 9 September 2005 14:02 (eighteen years ago) link

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29. Network
Sidney Lumet, 1976

Points: 90
Total Votes: 7
First Place Votes: 0

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 10 September 2005 03:35 (eighteen years ago) link

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28. The French Connection
William Friedkin, 1971

Points: 90
Total Votes: 8
First Place Votes: 0

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 10 September 2005 03:40 (eighteen years ago) link

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27. Ali: Fear Eats the Soul

Rainer Werner Fassbinder, 1974

Points: 90
Total Votes: 8
First Place Votes: 1

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 10 September 2005 03:56 (eighteen years ago) link

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26. Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory
Mel Stuart, 1971

Points: 92
Total Votes: 9
First Place Votes: 1

Jimmy the Mod: Odd how a movie with GENE WILDER from 1971 can out-dark Tim Burton.

Nikwakwa Hoogenterf: I truly believe that the Oompa Loompas are the greatest creation ever made by the movie industry, that the Oompas should be worshiped daily, and what the heck, i think they deserve there own holiday... Oompas are the bases of all that is good.. ROCK ON OOMPAS!!!!

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 10 September 2005 03:57 (eighteen years ago) link

willy wonka is very charming but doesnt have a single good song in it

don't be jerk, this is china (FE7), Saturday, 10 September 2005 11:22 (eighteen years ago) link

The Oopma Loompa song's good, the one about the magic ticket ain't bad. But yeah, it's kind of hilarious how bad most of the songs are, a lot of the time it just feels like they're making the actors make the songs up as they go along.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 10 September 2005 11:27 (eighteen years ago) link

In defence of Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory vs Charlie & The Chocolate Factory the other day, I think I said that Wilder's performance is my favourite of all time, by anyone. That could be an exaggeration, but it wouldn't be far off. It's simply....exquisite. Every other aspect of Burton's movie may be better, but he could never improve on the original because of this.

Ally C (Ally C), Saturday, 10 September 2005 12:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I am sort of angry at "Charlie & The Chocolate Factory" precisely *because* it betters quite a lot from the original movie (the songs, the squirrels.) Like, I think the original is faulted enough that the new one might in the long term become the more popular/well known one, which I really wouldn't want to happen, because yeah, Gene Wilder. It's like, when a movie isn't all that great, but has elements in it that are just beyond awesome, I think it's not very sportsmanslike to try to remake it.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 10 September 2005 13:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Prediction on the remaining 25 (I won't worry about order):
The two Godfathers, The Conversation, Apocalypse Now, Nashville, The Long Goodbye, Taxi Driver, Mean Streets, A Clockwork Orange, Jaws, The Marriage of Maria Braun, In a Year of 13 Moons, Manhattan, Annie Hall, Aguirre: The Wrath of God, American Graffiti, Star Wars, Chinatown, Animal House, Performance, Dog Day Afternoon, Badlands...and then I start to draw a blank. Maybe the White Lightning/Gator/Smokey and the Bandit trilogy will fill out the remaining three spots.

merritt ranew (merritt), Saturday, 10 September 2005 13:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Those are good guesses.

I forgot to vote for The Long Goodbye!

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 10 September 2005 14:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Every other aspect of Burton's movie may be better

There is not one single aspect of Charlie that improves on Willie. If anything there are several major missteps that make it a pale shadow of the original.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 10 September 2005 14:44 (eighteen years ago) link

i love the long goodbye!

seriously, onna smokey tip, the commentary to cannonball run has to be heard to be believed...

stevie (stevie), Saturday, 10 September 2005 15:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I know that The Long Goodbye was set in a differnt era than the Chandler books, but I have such an attachment to Marlowe from the books, I just didn't thing Gould nailed the role. Humphrey Bogart was the best Marlowe I've seen on film.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 10 September 2005 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link

hey! I've got a poll to continue.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 10 September 2005 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link

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25. A Woman Under the Influence

John Cassavetes, 1974

Points: 106
Total Votes: 7
First Place Votes: 0

nathalie: A film about relationships, the inability to express emotions, sufficating in suburbia, feminism, working class, the US,... Gloria is also pretty good, but WutI just blew me away.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 10 September 2005 16:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Peter Faulk may be my favorite actor ever, and I'm unreasonably attracted to Gena Rowlands in this role.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 10 September 2005 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

xxpost

Jeff, I'm sorry. The correct answer is Robert Mitchum.

Our third place contestants will receive Rice-a-Roni.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 10 September 2005 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, I am sad for Cassavetes. That movie is way better than #25. I had it at #2.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 10 September 2005 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I quite like All the President's Men

really? despite its unbelievable sexism?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 10 September 2005 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link

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24. Mean Streets

Martin Scorsese, 1973

Points: 106
Total Votes: 10
First Place Votes: 0

Peter Scholtes: Personal filmmaking, urban filmmaking, Italian-American filmmaking, action filmmaking, and musical filmmaking, all turned up to 11.

s1ocki: mean streets is a harvey keitel movie and goodfellas is not, thus there is absolutely no basis for comparison

mark s: mean streets is still scorsese's best movie by far ("the rest is bullshit and you know it!")

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 10 September 2005 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link


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