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Eleven people, including several children, were injured when they jumped from the third-story window of a suburban Paris apartment building, an official said.

It wasn't known if they jumped on purpose or were forced, the judicial official said. There was no emergency in the building at the time, such as a fire.

The victims are of African origin, possibly from Angola, and an initial investigation suggested they jumped after one of the women involved became hysterical and started shouting she'd seen the devil, the official said.

Two members of the group - a 30-year-old man and a man with a criminal record who jumped out of the window holding a two-year-old child - have been taken into police custody, the official said.

All 11 victims were taken to hospital with multiple traumas. No life-threatening injuries were reported, although a four-month-old baby has been admitted to a Paris children's hospital in a serious condition, the official said.

The apartment building is located in the Paris suburb of La Verriere.

nakhchivan, Sunday, 24 October 2010 14:06 (thirteen years ago) link

nine years pass...

There's, as the kids say, a LOT going on with this french anti-smoking ad pic.twitter.com/bXddZcH3zN

— 🌎🌵the 🚀🌌cosmist 💣✊insurrection 🏴🚩 (@yungneocon) December 26, 2019

j., Friday, 27 December 2019 17:26 (four years ago) link

UH

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Friday, 27 December 2019 18:02 (four years ago) link

Phenomenal

El Tomboto, Friday, 27 December 2019 18:43 (four years ago) link

six months pass...

Been watching some French films lately and I wondered aloud where the directors find these strikingly weird-looking guys to star in their movies, and my partner said that’s just how French guys look. Do French guys really all look like that? Really puts their penchant for caricaturing Jews and Arabs and North Africans in a fresh light.

all cats are beautiful (silby), Monday, 13 July 2020 05:17 (three years ago) link

Never particularly noticed that the French have strikingly weird-looking guys starring in their movies. I think it might be more that Americans have strikingly conventional-looking guys starring in theirs.

Zelda Zonk, Monday, 13 July 2020 05:46 (three years ago) link

^^^ truth bomb

Scampidocio (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 13 July 2020 08:02 (three years ago) link

Yup, was gonna say

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 13 July 2020 08:51 (three years ago) link

You'll also have noticed they don't have strikingly weird-looking women starring in their movies. I think the ugly guy/beautiful woman thing is a longstanding cliche of French cinema.

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Monday, 13 July 2020 09:02 (three years ago) link

But is it so different from anywhere else? Men are allowed to have 'character'. Lucky men!

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Monday, 13 July 2020 09:05 (three years ago) link

three months pass...
four weeks pass...

Macron wants the children of France’s largest minority to be given ID numbers, he’s dissolved Muslim civil rights groups and wants loyalty vows from religious figures. If you’re silent on this don’t pretend you’re serious about our society learning anything from the last century

— Marcus Barnett (@marcusbarnett_) November 20, 2020

xyzzzz__, Friday, 20 November 2020 15:56 (three years ago) link

Marshall Petain would be proud of this lad, but at least he defeated Le Pen

calzino, Friday, 20 November 2020 16:03 (three years ago) link

this is the point where Fishhook Theory is now an incontrovertible fact

calzino, Friday, 20 November 2020 16:08 (three years ago) link

Just so you know, that's a made up 'fact'. See also:

I do unequivocally apologize for the error I made in saying that Macron's bill targets Muslim children.

I do have a responsibility to facts. And I do not want to make anything harder for my colleagues who are doing an amazing job with a difficult story.

— Karen Attiah (@KarenAttiah) November 22, 2020

pomenitul, Monday, 23 November 2020 00:36 (three years ago) link

Doesn’t mean the law will be equally applied, something something rich and poor men sleeping under bridges.

scampus fugit (gyac), Monday, 23 November 2020 00:38 (three years ago) link

Everyone has a national ID number from birth in France.

pomenitul, Monday, 23 November 2020 00:45 (three years ago) link

Furthermore, collecting ethnic/racial data is illegal since 1978

pomenitul, Monday, 23 November 2020 00:46 (three years ago) link

You don’t have to collect ethnic or racial data to know which neighbourhoods or populations you want to monitor. Nor is the aim of ensuring all children go to school entirely separate from the context previously discussed on the threads.

The worst new policy is the one making it illegal to film police, assuming that’s accurate reporting.

scampus fugit (gyac), Monday, 23 November 2020 01:14 (three years ago) link

The point is Muslim children aren't being specifically assigned ID numbers. The bill itself provides enough grist for the mill, no need to focus on nonexistent issues.

As for the other policy, it makes it illegal to film police if and only if the video is accompanied by targeted death threats. Sounds like a front.

pomenitul, Monday, 23 November 2020 01:24 (three years ago) link

Thanks for further clearing up/exchanges on this. It's not been that well reported on so I wanted anyone to comment (I do think posting tweets is useful even when inaccurate).

xyzzzz__, Monday, 23 November 2020 10:42 (three years ago) link

Any time. It's worth remembering that stuff like this does often get lost in translation.

Btw, re: the police bill, I forgot to add that it also prohibits citizens from circulating such material if it is accompanied by death threats. If I were an MC, I'd make a video featuring salient examples of filmed police brutality and rap pointed threats over it. I'd get taken to court, where the case would likely fizzle out as an instance of artistic licence but it would help underscore just how absurd this proposal is in the first place. Oh, and the 'intention of causing harm' clause – whatever the fuck that means from a legal standpoint – was added later, which tells you all you need to know about their intentions.

It's also ridiculous to assume that this bill could in any way shape or form have prevented, say, the 2016 Magnanville stabbing attack.

pomenitul, Monday, 23 November 2020 13:56 (three years ago) link

In other news, Sarkozy's on trial for corruption.

🤞

pomenitul, Monday, 23 November 2020 13:59 (three years ago) link

While it is currently legal to film cops they have no problem pretending otherwise and threaten you or break/steal your gear if you do, so regardless of what this new bill really does I wish good luck to anyone trying to document police misdemeanings after that.

Dinsdale, Monday, 23 November 2020 21:54 (three years ago) link

This Onion-like ultimatum from Macron would be hilarious if it didn't convey so much violence pic.twitter.com/Kvwl5Mbucw

— Tarek Younis (@Tarek_Younis_) November 23, 2020

calzino, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 10:23 (three years ago) link

37!

🇨🇵El Ministerio de Interior francés anuncia un balance de 46 detenidos de París, así como 37 policías heridos.pic.twitter.com/bPQDXDaXxR

— Descifrando la Guerra (@descifraguerra) November 28, 2020

Left, Saturday, 28 November 2020 21:15 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

French presidential election poll, second round scenario

Macron vs Le Pen

Macron: 52%
Le Pen: 48%

Harris / Jan 19-20th pic.twitter.com/JeMFC3HVli

— Politics For All (@PoliticsForAlI) January 27, 2021

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 January 2021 23:53 (three years ago) link

christ

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 28 January 2021 00:03 (three years ago) link

u ok hon hon hon?

Fenners' Pen (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 28 January 2021 00:04 (three years ago) link

Les Républicains are dead and buried since François Fillon's humiliating defeat, and while some of them have become full-blown macronistes in the interim, the others have openly embraced Marine Le Pen, greatly boosting her score in the process. She herself has toned down her anti-EU statements, focusing instead on curbing immigration, which is a far more popular stance, including on the so-called left. Moreover, a year prior to the election is usually when she does best, in no small part because the French get sick of whoever's in power after four years, but also because Le Pen likes to make herself scarce throughout most of the quinquennat, as this has proven to be a winning strategy. Basically you shut up and allow the xenophobic media to do your dirty job, until you're forced to open your mouth once the campaign proper begins, at which point people suddenly claim to be shocked by your statements. Anyhow, I think Marion Maréchal has a much better shot in 2027. Keep in mind that Macron's approval rating is currently 40% and on the upswing, which may not seem like much, but from a French perspective it's not bad at all. The biggest problem here is that the left is typically divided, and doesn't stand a fighting chance at the moment, although that may yet change in the coming months depending on how well the new contenders do, starting with Anne Hidalgo, the current mayor of Paris.

pomenitul, Thursday, 28 January 2021 00:09 (three years ago) link

Hidalgo is a terrible mayor. She’s polling at 5% in the presidential at the moment.

I got some news yesterday that means I may already be eligible to vote in that election, though I don’t have the final word yet. I won’t be voting for Macron or Le Pen or Mélenchon in the first round, that much I know.

All cars are bad (Euler), Thursday, 28 January 2021 00:21 (three years ago) link

What I do worry about are voters such as my MIL's partner. Lifelong PS (Parti socialiste) supporter, hates Macron because he's too right-wing and a traitor to his party. I suspect he wouldn't vote at all in the event of another run-off involving Macron and Le Pen. Alternatively, he might vote for the latter out of dégagisme… Or so he would claim. The reality is that he's a jingoistic/openly racist asshole and has only nominally voted on the left his whole life because that's his 'team'. I once asked him to consider the effects a Le Pen presidency would have on French people of colour and immigrants in general and he gave me a horrified look, not because he hadn't thought of the implications but because he felt found out.

pomenitul, Thursday, 28 January 2021 00:26 (three years ago) link

Speaking of Mélenchon, he should've stepped down a long time ago – La France insoumise needs new blood or it'll perish altogether. I'd love to see someone like Clémentine Autain leading the charge.

pomenitul, Thursday, 28 January 2021 00:28 (three years ago) link

that's a great question to put. straight up. 'aren't you worried about what a le pen presidency would do to immigrants and minorities? it would be terrible for them. aren't you concerned about that?'

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 28 January 2021 00:30 (three years ago) link

Mélenchon can get to fuck, and so can Macron tbf. He’s come out with more racist stuff, again, obviously as appalled by these opinion polls by the rest of us, and I cannot tell you how great it feels to be blackmailed into voting for the only viable candidate to keep the fascists out when the only viable candidate is not-so-subtly pitching for their votes again. Democracy, eh? No wonder people don’t vote.

scampish inquisition (gyac), Thursday, 28 January 2021 00:31 (three years ago) link

I don’t know anything about the ranks of LFI, JLM is silly enough that I expect very little of them. But I should look deeper.

All cars are bad (Euler), Thursday, 28 January 2021 00:33 (three years ago) link

lol fuck Manu though

“There will be no repentance, there will be no apologies,” an adviser to French President Emmanuel Macron said Wednesday ahead of the release of a much-anticipated report on the history of colonization and the Algerian War.https://t.co/3pdIvKgxfm

— POLITICOEurope (@POLITICOEurope) January 23, 2021

scampish inquisition (gyac), Thursday, 28 January 2021 00:37 (three years ago) link

sir, this is a flunch

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 28 January 2021 00:39 (three years ago) link

MĂ©lenchon has been flirting with anti-vaxx discourse lately to rack up a few extra votes. His approach is quite interesting, as a matter of fact, and something that other left-wing parties need to reflect upon the world over: basically, he came away from the last election feeling like the only way to defeat Le Pen and Macron was to become a proper populist but from a left-wing perspective, which is a fair hypothesis. Except he got tripped up in the process and started saying and doing shit that is uncomfortably close to what the other, more successful right-wing populists were saying and doing. If it was all a strategic ploy on his part, I actually feel bad for him because it hasn't paid off at all so far. The Gilets jaunes episode was a good example of this.

2xp yeah I mean only about 10% of the population wants that. Talking about that stuff is a fucking minefield over there and ironically enough, Macron has actually done a better job of it so far than his predecessors, which goes to show the sheer scale of the problem.

pomenitul, Thursday, 28 January 2021 00:39 (three years ago) link

Flunch might be going bankrupt lol. Sixty of their locations are closing due to covid. RIP.

pomenitul, Thursday, 28 January 2021 00:40 (three years ago) link

Lol flunch I have eaten there once because I wanted the all you can eat fries, such shame

All cars are bad (Euler), Thursday, 28 January 2021 00:53 (three years ago) link

My wife would often eat there when she was a teenager because at the time it was one of the few restaurants in France where you could actually have a varied and balanced meal as a vegetarian.

pomenitul, Thursday, 28 January 2021 00:55 (three years ago) link

Macron’s handling of education has been total garbage. Blanquet and Vidal are bolos.

All cars are bad (Euler), Thursday, 28 January 2021 00:56 (three years ago) link

Yeah, it's been pretty bad. When was the last time the government (I'm tempted to say: *any* Western government) has viewed it as a priority?

pomenitul, Thursday, 28 January 2021 00:58 (three years ago) link

A priority to blow things up, and then fail to deal with the mess. See: the bac during the rona. Or soon, the LPR (glad I’m not on the cnu this year!)

All cars are bad (Euler), Thursday, 28 January 2021 01:01 (three years ago) link

MĂ©lenchon seems like the living embodiment of what all the centrist/right wing commentariat in the UK lied out of their arses and said Corbyn was. He seems like a terrible waste of space.

calzino, Thursday, 28 January 2021 02:43 (three years ago) link

the only way to defeat Le Pen and Macron was to become a proper populist but from a left-wing perspective, which is a fair hypothesis. Except he got tripped up in the process and started saying and doing shit that is uncomfortably close to what the other, more successful right-wing populists were saying and doing.

isn't it strange how this keeps happening

Left, Thursday, 28 January 2021 04:02 (three years ago) link

just saw the algeria thing. death to france

Left, Thursday, 28 January 2021 04:02 (three years ago) link

I once asked him to consider the effects a Le Pen presidency would have on French people of colour and immigrants in general and he gave me a horrified look, not because he hadn't thought of the implications but because he felt found out.

― pomenitul, Thursday, 28 January 2021 bookmarkflaglink

Wild what people will pretend not to know.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 28 January 2021 11:20 (three years ago) link

Guarantee père-in-law doesn’t think of pom as one of them either.

scampish inquisition (gyac), Thursday, 28 January 2021 11:26 (three years ago) link


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