who is your favorite character in the movie Sucker Punch?

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Emily Browning as Baby Doll, the film's primary protagonist.
Vanessa Hudgens as Blondie, the dark inmate friend of Baby Doll's.
Abbie Cornish as Sweet Pea, Rocket's older sister.
Jamie Chung as Amber, the first friend to come on board Baby Doll's plan.
Jena Malone as Rocket, Sweet Pea's sister.
Carla Gugino as Madam Gorski, a nurse at the asylum and choreographer in the brothel.
Jon Hamm as High Roller, the owner of the brothel in which the girls stay.
Scott Glenn as The Wiseman, a martial arts trainer for the girls,and mentor.
Oscar Isaac as Blue, the antagonist of the story who plans to lobotomize Baby Doll in five days.
Ryan Robbins as General Thomas, a soldier that accompanies the girls.
Gerard Plunkett as The Stepfather / Father O'Rourke, Baby Doll's evil stepfather.
Vicky Lambert as The Countess
Danny Bristol as little Tommy Soldier
Michael Jai White
Jonathan Perez as Magician

Carla Gugino as Madam Gorski, a nurse at the asylum and choreographer in the brothel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVNxRa13TZM

a nurse at the asylum and choreographer in the brothel i believe this is a shakespearean quote that eventually evolved into "a lady in the streets but a freak in the bed"

its an amazing movie theme to have. that song. new beat lives!

What the hell is this thing? Saw new trailer last night and it is RIDICULOUS. And it seems to give EVERYTHING away, except for the fact that it makes NO SENSE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyXzQLvOJnQ

so this is a real movie????

Out in two days!

im sure i would've thought this was supercool when i was 12

but im not, and nothing on earth could drag me to see it

exactly

The posters say 'from the director of The Watchmen and 300'
What abt the owls, man?

Michael Jai White, no need for a character name

<3 Carla Gugino but this looks like shit

From the makers of "Cutscene: The Movie" comes its invigorating sequel, "Speed Ramping: The Movie."

haha jon the owls is total his best movie!

Still waiting for it to show up on NF instawatch...

Watched this on HBO OnDemand last weekend

It was sort of stupid but made up for it by being really, really, really fun.

also can we talk about how lolsome the soundtrack is

I just can't see myself ever watching this, I have heard too much about how rapey this movie is.

It's probably more accurate to say the movie is very almost-rapey? There are several instances where various female characters are assaulted but something happens to stop the assault in its tracks (usually Baby Doll).

It is not a super positive portrayal of male-female dynamics or 50s sanitariums and the subtext behind the various fantasy sequences is really, really horrifying, but the fantasy sequences themselves, particularly the action scenes, are hilarious.

speaking literally, the theatrical cut isn't terribly rapey. implicitly, sure, in that female characters are trapped and abused and forced to dance in an (imaginary) burlesque club. well, and there's an attempted rape near the end. what's awful about it is the weird glee it takes it punishing the main character and her friends, that and the incredible hypocrisy of the conclusion. have heard that the director's cut is pretty explicitly rapey, though. haven't seen that.

soundtrack is losome on a couple levels. for one thing, it's dire. for another, the songs are "reimagined" by babydoll just like the rest of the world, geddit?

the subtext behind the various fantasy sequences is really, really horrifying

maybe yes, maybe no. one of the problems w the movie is that we ultimately know almost nothing about what really went on during those fantasy sequences. we don't even know whether or not any of the other girls ever existed.

yes we do!

didn't find it fun at all tbh

I mean, unless you want to argue that everything that happened before the advent of the burlesque fantasy was imaginary as well, we see most if not all of the main four girls right when Baby Doll initially comes to the sanitarium

xp: you didn't think the various automaton/creature battles were fun?

speaking literally, the theatrical cut isn't terribly rapey. implicitly, sure, in that female characters are trapped and abused and forced to dance in an (imaginary) burlesque club. well, and there's an attempted rape near the end.

ok lol?

"the women are forced into sexual bondage and there's an attempted rape; I'd give it only 3/10 rapey points"

NB I have not seen this, nothing could ever top GA'HOOLE

well, "terribly" being a sliding scale. it definitely skews rapey, but a bit less than i think has suggested by some. suppose i'm splitting hairs...

I can tell you Ga'Hoole wasn't rapey at all, no hairs split.

there's also the suggestion that much of the "sexual bondage" angle is imaginary, so it's a bit tough to work out what exactly is going on

uses "sexual bondage of young girls by creepy old dudes" for titillation, i don't think imaginary/not matters here

I mean, unless you want to argue that everything that happened before the advent of the burlesque fantasy was imaginary as well, we see most if not all of the main four girls right when Baby Doll initially comes to the sanitarium

yeah, but that only means that babydoll based her fantasies on something. there's also the suggestion that the head doctor uses role playing as therapy, we have no reason to doubt her integrity, so a lot of what we see later on might just be talk therapy, not anything too horrible.

uses "sexual bondage of young girls by creepy old dudes" for titillation, i don't think imaginary/not matters here

yeah, that's a good point.

I thought it was all very straightforward, honestly (also SPOILERS) (lol):

- There is one level of fantasy that plays itself out where, in the instant before she gets Hammed, Baby Doll mentally replays the events of the past five days cast in the form of the burlesque prison.
- When Baby Doll dances in the burlesque fantasy, she drops into the action sequence fantasies which represent her crew's attempts to assemble all of the pieces necessary for their escape.

In actual reality, at least three of the girls were seriously hurt and/or killed during the breakout attempt, the aftermath of which can be seen in the sweep through the sanitarium after Baby Doll gets Hammed. Also, you see that a good chunk of the interaction between the orderly and Dr Carla Guguino never actually happened and the orderlies were terrorizing the girls behind the doctor's back and without her knowledge. We also know from actual reality that:

- Rocket died in a struggle with the cook.
- Baby Doll helped Sweet Pea escape and gave herself up as a distraction.
- The main awful orderly tried to force himself on Baby Doll and she stabbed him in the neck.

Everything else, including possibly the existence of Amber and Blondie was warped through how Baby Doll experienced life in the sanitarium; in reality, there was no collusion whatsoever between the doctor and the orderlies, the orderlies had no power over the doctor, and Jon Hamm was just a handsome, pensive dude handing out a lobotomy or two.

The point where there's "... or DID THEY????" confusion is the casting of the bus driver as the girls' mentor in Baby Doll's fantasy, which you can either read as the script signposting that none of this ever actually happened, including the second half of "reality", and Baby Doll is just in a blissed-out lobotomized haze with no free friends and no impending justice against her stepfather, or as the script being lazy in trying to be clever clever about aping its Wizard of Oz double-casting.

and that, my friends, is how you write way too fucking much about a movie that doesn't really merit thinking over

the plan wasn't very good

when she "danced" in the burlesque reality, what was going on in the asylum?? uggghh

it might have helped if the trailers had mentioned the fact that it's a movie about lobotomies and rape

thats the sucker punch, lol

I watch a lot of shit films, but even this I had to turn off after half and hour.

lol H4A

this movie was kind of terrible but I didn't mind watching it

im somewhat serious about that - i do think the movie was meant to indict male gaze-iness in nerd culture by inviting dudes to watch hot babes and guns and explosions and all that crap, but then pulling a switcheroo on em with all the feelbad stuff. its just unimaginably stupid and tasteless in the execution

no I think that's OTM, including the stupid tasteless execution

it's still funny tho

would've been better if they turned out to be owls

With Superman capes

the droid fight on the train was superdope

I thought I would really like this movie but when I finally saw it, the battle scenes were uninteresting to me, just manufactured CGI crap that went on for 3x too long. So sad.

yeah if you aren't into the battle scenes there is zero reason to watch this movie unless you really, really like rolling your eyes

I like the martial arts/real people parts but not the ceaseless gunfire for no good reason and explosions of things that wouldn't have blown up irl etc.

Also the whole movie was really video gamey? It felt like Kings Quest II or something: "These are the articles you must find to escape the wizard's castle. Your journey will be completely linear."

i hated this movie so much

lol why is this not surprising

its like the thinking mans "sky captain and the world of tomorrow"

in a shock even to me, i actually hated this more than i hated "300" which is saying something

o_O

I have to date successfully kept myself from seeing "Sky Captain" even though that type of plasticy-looking stupidity appeals directly to my id and that statement has just reminded me that I should change that

Does this film have a rabid cult following of morons yet?

Srsly never never seen anyone mention/notice it much since it came out

However I'm watching it now. Why is it called Sucker Punch?

it might have helped if the trailers had mentioned the fact that it's a movie about lobotomies and rape

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, July 26, 2012 6:09 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

thats the sucker punch, lol

― Hungry4Ass, Thursday, July 26, 2012 6:11 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That's as good an explanation as any tbh

speaking literally, the theatrical cut isn't terribly rapey. implicitly, sure, in that female characters are trapped and abused and forced to dance in an (imaginary) burlesque club. well, and there's an attempted rape near the end.

ok lol?

― Marilyn Hagerty: the terroir of tiny town (Abbbottt), Wednesday, March 21, 2012 9:56 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"the women are forced into sexual bondage and there's an attempted rape; I'd give it only 3/10 rapey points"

― Marilyn Hagerty: the terroir of tiny town (Abbbottt), Wednesday, March 21, 2012 9:57 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol this was classic abbott

classic contenderizer too I suppose

this movie is the lamest shit

i loved this movie lol