I'm sure this was covered upthread, but I've just been reading some more stuff on his site and it sounds like this guy is around 21 years old. Mind you that only makes me four years his elder, but I think that while there's a very obvious youth and naivete to the writing which is part of the appeal/schtick, for a 21-year old he displays a surprising amount of perspective and self-awareness and, dare I say "wisdom" in some of his writing. I mean my younger brother is the same age and I don't think he'd ever be able to write with this kind of clarity and perceptiveness, but maybe it's more common than I think.
xposts I guess I have a pretty different take on it than some other folks here, huh.
― St3ve Go1db3rg, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 19:31 (thirteen years ago) link
i can't understand applying structural or grammatical criticism to what he is doing. the whole idea is expository writing 101. it's talking therapy. the guy's not Spalding Gray, he's doing writing exercises, these are workouts. do not underestimate the long-tail value in that, in setting yourself up with this reputation as your first outing. think of the opportunity to capitalize on this as a phase.
― cee-oh-tee-tee, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
regardless of how old this dude actually is, to me, he comes across as a precocious 14 year old.
― sarahel, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link
as in - everyone upthread comparing his style to vintage livejournal entries is otm
― sarahel, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link
dude your burns are so vicious
― cee-oh-tee-tee, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 19:38 (thirteen years ago) link
seriously sarahel what do you REALLY think about this guy
― guanciale diary (s1ocki), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Funny you say that sarahel, because I think one of the things he does well is write about teenage-angst-type situations in a kind of believeable, relateable way, and I say that as somebody who usually hates that kind of thing, despite having once been an angsty teenager.
I usually think that kind of thing either comes off as false, because you can tell you're experiencing something created by an adult who has maybe become too-far removed from their actual teenage experience and is trying too hard to appeal to current teenagers, or it comes off as gag-worthy because it's written by a real teenager and it's just live-journal-ish and shows no insight or perspective. Whereas when he's writing about being a fat kid or having this dramatic secret relationship with an older girl when he was in high school, I find it engaging and realistic but also kind of insightful.
― St3ve Go1db3rg, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link
what do i really think? i think his pieces have some good elements and a few good lines/observations amidst a majority of filler and wasted words. And I also think that most people who practice writing, and are writing about things that happened to them or things that are close to them will have the same amount of good elements and lines - e.g. a comparable shit:gold ratio.
― sarahel, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link
the whole idea is expository writing 101. it's talking therapy. the guy's not Spalding Gray, he's doing writing exercises, these are workouts. do not underestimate the long-tail value in that, in setting yourself up with this reputation as your first outing. think of the opportunity to capitalize on this as a phase.
This also totally describes Pfork c. 1996 ^^
― more than ever convinced ilxor is a sock (ilxor), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 19:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i think he'd get a "needs significant improvement" in expository writing 101 - his descriptions and narrative structure are really weak
― sarahel, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe if he were enrolled in "expository writing 101" at an ivy league college he'd get a "b" as opposed to a "c" because of grade inflation
― sarahel, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess we're working with different standards here. I don't think this dude is Hemingway or anything, but I spend a fair amount of time reading things people write on the internet, mostly in an informal context like on message boards and such, but still this guy's writing stands out to me as being thoughtful and evocative and I like a lot of his observations about the culture surrounding indie music.
― St3ve Go1db3rg, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link
well, i'm applying the standard of writing on the internet in the context of it being published in a blog that is somewhat popular (the awl stuff, not his personal site).
― sarahel, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link
ya but what do you REALLY think
― guanciale diary (s1ocki), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link
huh?
― sarahel, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
― max, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
m actually kind of taken with these awl pieces, but in the way that i enjoy, like, cometbus or burn collector, not in the way that i enjoy music crit.
yeah, i feel exactly the same way as a sometime/longtime cometbus reader. enjoy this stuff as dashed-off "dispatches from somewhere", only with PRR the somewhere isn't "punk rock planet," it's "inside this weirdo's head."
― miss danilelle steven and her clitoral stimulator (contenderizer), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFVseEeuHKM
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joc98x3dKYU
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 20:47 (thirteen years ago) link
the honesty in the stream is a huge component because he's flatly unctuous and creepy in any number of these situations and not only is it very difficult to bring that through in print, and he does, it's a fairly brave thing to (repeatedly) reveal, to self-indict or at least leave it up to the reader to interpret.
― cee-oh-tee-tee, Wednesday, October 13, 2010 12:26 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
yeah, this [emphasis mine]. very true of the awl pieces. he documents his own awkward/creepy behavior in a way that suggests self-awareness without ever quite admitting anything. he just wanders around taking pictures (going back to the Todd P party piece). i like that a lot, as a device.
― miss danilelle steven and her clitoral stimulator (contenderizer), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Turning me off more and more is his tendency to evaluate the legitimacy of all these people he's interacting with, and then weasel out of it by saying "Oh, maybe that's just me being cynical". No doubt there are plenty of showbiz phonies but still....
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 23:03 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, that angle is handled really clumsily in the art party piece
― miss danilelle steven and her clitoral stimulator, away! (contenderizer), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 23:04 (thirteen years ago) link
could not resist:http://pitchrevvyrev.wordpress.com/2010/10/14/life-after-death/
― rmde and dangerous (bernard snowy), Thursday, 14 October 2010 15:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Awesome. A+.
― jaymc, Thursday, 14 October 2010 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link
punctuation at the end of paragraphs = you already lost me
jaymc shame on you i thought you'd catch that
― guanciale diary (s1ocki), Thursday, 14 October 2010 15:25 (thirteen years ago) link
someone should set up a pitchfork reviews reviews reviews
― rmde @ the romo dumplings (history mayne), Thursday, 14 October 2010 15:26 (thirteen years ago) link
punctuation at the end of paragraphs = you already lost mejaymc shame on you i thought you'd catch that― guanciale diary (s1ocki), Thursday, October 14, 2010 3:25 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookma
― guanciale diary (s1ocki), Thursday, October 14, 2010 3:25 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookma
― rmde and dangerous (bernard snowy), Thursday, 14 October 2010 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link
u didnt have the stomach for it
― guanciale diary (s1ocki), Thursday, 14 October 2010 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link
after I recover from the experience, if I ever decide to do one of these again, I'll make sure it's ALL THA WAY TURNED UP
― rmde and dangerous (bernard snowy), Thursday, 14 October 2010 15:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Ha, I did catch that, but the rest of it was so good, I decided it didn't matter.
― jaymc, Thursday, 14 October 2010 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Eventually the bus showed up, and the guy in the Enyce shirt got on it, which made me feel good because it meant that he had actually been waiting for the bus and was not just a homeless or carles person trying to get out of the rain.
is this a sly HRO reference
― St3ve Go1db3rg, Thursday, 14 October 2010 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link
;)
― rmde and dangerous (bernard snowy), Thursday, 14 October 2010 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link
man, was gonna pull the carles person line, but go1db3rg beat me to it
― miss danilelle steven and her clitoral stimulator, away! (contenderizer), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:42 (thirteen years ago) link
― rmde @ thehttp://images.chron.com/blogs/askacat/hatcat.JPGDUMPLINGS! (history mayne), Thursday, October 14, 2010 8:26 AM (4 hours ago)
― sarahel, Thursday, 14 October 2010 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
thread deserves at least one (1) hatcat for every time someone makes that joke
― miss danilelle steven and her clitoral stimulator, away! (contenderizer), Thursday, 14 October 2010 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe if thread got twelve (12) hatcats in a row, then maybe people will stop making that joke
― sarahel, Thursday, 14 October 2010 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link
mmmmmmprobably not
― miss danilelle steven and her clitoral stimulator, away! (contenderizer), Thursday, 14 October 2010 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link
BERNARD SNOWY
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 14 October 2010 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link
u called?
― rmde and dangerous (bernard snowy), Thursday, 14 October 2010 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I also c+p'ed the carles line to bring back here
― Mary Lynn Ice Cube (sic), Thursday, 14 October 2010 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link
The brilliance continues:
my favorte tweet on the lead guitarist of famous rock band Kings of Leon’s twitter is when he writes, referring to the band’s new single, “Everyone liking ‘Radioactive’?” like a housewife hosting a dinner party and hurrying around to all the guests making sure everyone is pleased with the hors d’oeuvres. there’s a timidity about how he phrases it, like a really personal and insecure exercise in market research, and it feels like if someone replied to him and wrote, like, “no, bring the drums up in the mix”, he would blush and forward that to the record’s producer
― ilxor is awesome what the fuck are you guys on about (ilxor), Monday, 18 October 2010 18:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I quite like the observation in there but drop the "famous rock band Kings of Leon" bullshit. Only the New Yorker can get away with that kind of overexplaining.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 18 October 2010 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, that's a great bit. "a really personal and insecure exercise in market research..."
xpost
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Monday, 18 October 2010 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
how much more of it was there, though?
― sarahel, Monday, 18 October 2010 19:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Has he written about Salem yet?
― I am using your worlds, Monday, 18 October 2010 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link
ilx (or at least whiney's head) will implode when he does
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Monday, 18 October 2010 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link
If he's still listening to Kings of Leon in 2010 it may be a while before he gets around to Salem...
― ilxor is awesome what the fuck are you guys on about (ilxor), Monday, 18 October 2010 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.pitchforkreviewsreviews.com/post/1345578560/pitchfork-reviews-reviews-read-out-loud-in-a-german
http://pitchforkreviewsreviews.blogspot.com/
― markers, Monday, 18 October 2010 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link
<3<3<3 I love that this exists
omg the Tame Impala one is so good
― markers, Monday, 18 October 2010 23:26 (thirteen years ago) link