No, I am completely indifferent when it comes to the rhythm section (unless it gets so dominant that it starts dominating - then I hate it). A drummer's only job is to keep the pulse.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 6 March 2003 11:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
Dodgy was the best band of that era, not the worst.
However, saying that Dodgy was a product of Britpop is wrong. They started out before Britpop started, and it would be more natural to compare them to acts like Lightning Seeds, Crowded House and Jellyfish - bands that already in the dark ages of music (1987-91 was the first period for music since before The Beatles) decided that they disliked the current unmelodic trend and settled for something classically melodic and influenced by the great 60s music.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 6 March 2003 11:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
I am not trying to defend Cast, because Cast just didn't have good enough melodies. Their choruses didn't stick in one's head like they should, and they were too harmonically boring too, sounding more like The Searchers than The Beatles.
The Levellers started out already in 1991 or so, and were never Britpop.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 6 March 2003 11:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dave q, Thursday, 6 March 2003 12:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
Duh!
― Calum Robert, Thursday, 6 March 2003 12:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 6 March 2003 14:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
― the pinefox, Thursday, 6 March 2003 15:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Kevin McMonagle, Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 6 March 2003 18:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Don King, Thursday, 6 March 2003 18:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
I am not saying I dismiss all music from that era (for instance, Crowded House and Jellyfish made their best records then)
But out of the ones you mention Primal Scream, and to some extent Massive Attack, are the only ones I like. Generally the 87-91 era was too much about rhythm and noise and not enough about melody and harmony.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 6 March 2003 22:38 (twenty-one years ago) link
Dodgy never changed their musical style. Blur did. Blur more or less "invented" Britpop on "Modern Life Is Rubbish" (although Suede should get some credit for that too)
As for Pulp, well, maybe they weren't really Britpop. In fact, they were just playing the kind of Bowie/Roxy Music-influenced style that was so popular when they started out in the mid 80s, and for some reason they never broke through until that kind of music became fashionable again because of Britpop.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 6 March 2003 22:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
Someone may already have asked this but do you tap your foot or nod your head at all when you listen to music? If so, why?
― David (David), Thursday, 6 March 2003 23:19 (twenty-one years ago) link
(I am playing find the unconvincing, hastily concocted pseudonym)
― Ferg (Ferg), Thursday, 6 March 2003 23:47 (twenty-one years ago) link
Your definition of what was "really happening" in the mid-90s couldn't be any more Britpop if it tried...
― Venga, Friday, 7 March 2003 00:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
― schnell schnell, Friday, 7 March 2003 19:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
'87-'91 was for me the most exciting time for music in my lifetime in terms of innovation and experimentation, perhaps not so much melody and harmony and quality MOR/AOR (tcha, big loss eh?). Geir's conviction that melody and harmony are automatically superior to rhythm and noise by definition do not match my own views obviously.
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:38 (twenty-one years ago) link
the way the big dance-based acts are attached to the Britpop concept is irritating, partly for me because i felt it was very much a 'them and us' conflict that prevailed throughout most of the 90s i.e. there were indie kids and there were ravers and never the twain shall meet, until the Chemical Brothers broke thru i guess. it was good that the likes of Tom n' Ed broke down that pathetic barrier but it always felt like it was more a case of the rockist indiekids finally starting to 'get' dance music rather than ravers discovering guitars (dare i say the dance fans were that bit more open-minded, given they were into what was genuinely a new thing? i would but its a horrendous generalisation on both counts)
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Jim Eaton-Terry (Jim E-T), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 13:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
Balls. That whole rock/dance thing was dead and buried by 92 - I remember bumping into loads of the britpop lot on the Brighton scene in '91 - and going to Trance Europe Express a bit later. The line was totally blurred - especially as britpop came out of Sarah, to some extent, and most of the Sarah fandom were loved up by the turn of the '90s (at least round my way).
― Jim Eaton-Terry (Jim E-T), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 13:31 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 13:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Vagina Wolf, Friday, 23 July 2004 00:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― purple patch (electricsound), Friday, 23 July 2004 01:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 07:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 12 August 2005 07:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 08:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 08:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:31 (eighteen years ago) link
the tone seemed weirdly spiteful, beyond all other considerations.
― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 08:35 (eighteen years ago) link
Is it the geyser who played guitar for Motorhead?
If so, he looks to me as if the requirements of his lifestyle actually require extremely substantial subsidy.
http://www.nolifetilmetal.com/images/motorhead_wurzel.jpg
Albeit briefly.
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:37 (eighteen years ago) link
I clicked on the link, but I couldn't be arsed to read the article, I'm afraid.
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:39 (eighteen years ago) link
haha, pash, i didn't actually read it either!
― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 08:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:42 (eighteen years ago) link
What did they make of the latest Sleater-Kinney album?
(xxxx-post)
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 08:46 (eighteen years ago) link
I can't really think of anything to say about it, though.
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:48 (eighteen years ago) link
Hahahahahaha
The drummer from dodgy just complained about being grouped in with Menswear and Sleeper. Hahahahahaha
― Jamie T Smith (Jamie T Smith), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:52 (eighteen years ago) link
oof, haha.
that athlete single, as mentioned at the end of the harris piece, ir really fucking bad.
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 08:54 (eighteen years ago) link
'At the end of the day it's just whether it was good music'
The drummer from dodgy is a rockist!
― Jamie T Smith (Jamie T Smith), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:54 (eighteen years ago) link
I thought that myself.
Well, that and the fact that the EQ's absolutely dreadful.
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:55 (eighteen years ago) link