Best bands/Albums on SST

favorite album that ginn wouldnt release because of a bad drug deal that pissed him off: Velvet Monkeys Houseparty.

Saccahrine Trust, on the other hand, were terrific - 'Surviving You Always' is prob. the alb to start w/, but I even like their later 'jazz fusion' recs. Their version of 'Peace Frog' is one of the few tolerable Doors covers.

''Am I the only person in the world who doesn't think much of Husker Du? They just seem so average to me...''

prob. andrew. their sounds has aged but not aged badly or anything. It's still excellent rock.

By a strange arrangement of circumstances, Blind Idiot God was probably the first SST band I ever heard (I told a teacher of mine I was into Black Flag even though I'd never heard them and he made me listen to a Blind Idiot God album. The guitar player was his best friend growing up or something). I think they had a song "about" clouds I liked quite a bit. Do you not like Odyshape?

Discovered the "you don't know mojack" podcast late last night and it turns out I really want to hear two nerds discuss every detail of every release in the sst catalog.

black flag whos got the 10 1/2 black flag damaged descendents liveage descendents somery bad brains i against i negativland escape from noise and the guns single is a good start!

I think young people would like This Is the Dream by DC3

I can rep for the first couple of Bazooka records. Saw them live opening for fIREHOSE and they came out and did 'Red & the Black' with them at the end of the show.

It did not really happen in a real musical sense on SST, but one can only wonder of the possibilities of the nexus between punk, metal and jazz that was proposed. That is still a road less traveled that might have come up with some interesting music.

"...and they came out and did 'Red & the Black' with them at the end of the show."
Sick

It's a fun podcast, with the simmering suspense of how they'll hold up in the ultra-marathoner challenge of post-1989 SST.

my buddy is working on an oral history of the south bay punk scene, his instagram is fun for sst related stuff

https://www.instagram.com/i_want_to_be_stereotyped_book/

bad brains i against i, black flag damaged and whos got the 10 1/2, descendents liveage and somery, negativland guns!

5/6ths of the band Slovenly have last names ending with n.

Mojack must be nearly done by now? Imagine those poor guys slogging through the later years of endless Ginn solo records.

I'd add Das Damen - Triskaidekaphobe and Buffalo Tom - S/T

Mojack isn't even half-way yet. This week it's SST #174. Surprise! It's yet another Zoog Rift album (Son of Puke). I skip over the episodes that don't have interviews, but some of the folks they've been talking to are incredible.

never seen film of these boys before:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjV0HtVsQWU

moments like that they sound like sst's answer to the clean or something

the answer to the question is Zen Arcade

angst is great — i love lite life!

best sst band was slovenly, hands down.

Oh? How so? You've got me intrigued.

How does it fit into what they do? I've never heard them.

i <3 Slovenly so much :)

Dow, they kind of sound like pere ubu or the magic band circa ice cream for crow but also they feel like they're related to british post-punk stuff like the fall or wire without really sounding anything like either (they did cover the blue orchids though). Anyhow check out the albums 'thinking of empire' and 'riposte' - the way the band meshes together on those records is a thing of joy and beauty for me, especially the drums and the way the guitars weave round them

here you go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCQJvZJfFKE

the bands they remind me of most are the wolfhounds, the blue aeroplanes, life without buildings

I particularly liked Overpass (post–Slovenly band, most of the same guys)

(oh they weren’t on SST tho)

new alliance though right?

Their first LP, yeah. The second one was on Smells Like

oh i never heard that!

From the bunch of SST-related threads on here, I think this one is the most appropriate: has anyone else here picked up Jim Ruland’s Corporate Rock Sucks yet? My copy arrived today and I’m looking forward to getting stuck into it later.

I got my corporate rock still sucks SST book today - will probably somewhat enjoy reading it - but still not sitting well with the past Greg Ginn news …

Robert Christgau gave Boyb Dylan str8 Apluses for his Cover Art. The most I goyt for Black Flayg was a D for Do Better. A-hole n a half.

— Raymond Pettibon (@RaymondPettibon) April 13, 2022

Spot's in really bad shape, recovering from a stroke and a blood clot in his lungs while waiting for a lung transplant due to pulmonary fibrosis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZCxFwrVSlQ

Shit that’s terrible about spot I didn’t know

rest in peace Spot:(

this is from Carducci's Facebook so it's real

SPOT - "Glen M. Lockett" (1951-2023)
I hate to type out the words but... SPOT passed away after 10am today/Saturday (Mar. 4, 2023) at Morningside Healthcare in Sheboygan, Wisconsin. His nurse told me he woke up alright but later showed no pulse and several attempts to revive him failed. He had cancelled a planned photography exhibit in late 2021 when he found his fibrosis began to impair lung function. Since then he'd been on oxygen and was hoping for a lung transplant, but a stroke about three months ago put him in the hospital. I was hoping he was recovering speech but realistically he was not likely at his age and condition to become a candidate for a lung transplant, though that would have solved his health problems. SPOT didn't dwell alot on his personal history but I believe he was born in Los Angeles, grew up in the Crenshaw neighborhood, moved to Hermosa Beach in the mid-70s, moved to his favorite Black Flag tour stop, Austin Texas, in the mid-80s and then to Sheboygan to be near his favorite Celtic music scenes in Milwaukee and Chicago. His father was Claybourne Lockett who was a Tuskegee Airman who flew British Spitfires and Spot told me once his mother was Native American and from New Orleans. His older sister has advanced dementia. SPOT was a musician and writer and photographer who spelled his name in all caps with a dot in the middle of the O. His principal sideline was as a record producer-engineer and an architect of the natural approach to recording a band in the punk era. He started in Hermosa Beach playing and recording jazz and he took the primacy of live jazz playing into recording bands against prevailing attempts to soften or industrialize a back-to-basics arts movement in sound. When approaching the mixing board SPOT would assume an Elvis-like stance and then gesturing toward all the knobs he would say in a Louis Armstrong-like voice, "This is going to be gelatinous!" His recorded work as player and producer is listed at discogs.com. I'll be going through his writing with an eye toward publishing a collection including his writings on jazz for the Hermosa Beach free weekly. He spent recent years writing the novel, Decline and Fall of Alternative Civilization, and producing a radio-like dramatization of it which is online. Last year he posted new SPOT music at his bandcamp page. In recent weeks I read off lists of the names of his well-wishers to him and SPOT nodded at the mentions of his friends from around the country and the world.

RIP

Rest in peace SPOT, no doom record ever sounded as great as the first Saint Vitus album.

That eulogy is from carducci?

It is.

speed is a helluva drug

Listen to the first Man-Sized Action lp that Mould produced, people should be praising Spot for getting as much low-end on those records as he did

Funny to me that the default, esp with the Husker records is that the sound of them is a defect and not that it was done on purpose

Yeah, this has always been a mystery to me. Like, what do you want music like this to sound like? Do you want huge Phil Collins drums? Do you want dub bass? Do you want more isolation between instruments? That is not what this music is about. It's a wall of sound with Bob Mould roaring at you from the middle of it all. I don't even like Hüsker Dü, and I can accept that they had a sound in mind and they achieved it.

on the early stuff it sound tite af but I think it does obscure the songwriting a bit when things get “deeper” idk

I feel like Zen Arcade sounds right. Metal Circus works for the material. Earlier shit sounds like shit but doesn't matter. New Day Rising and onward it just gets worse and worse. Put on track one on Warehouse and it's like "okay these guitars sound awful but I can get into it, it works for Bob stuff", then the bass comes in and it's so dinky it's like "what's wrong with the bass?" and then the drums are like "holy shit how is it possible to sound this bad?" You could buy a radio shack mic and put in the hall outside the room the drums are in, with the door open, and press record on a cassette four track and it would sound better. I did that in high school and it sounds better.

It's like they eliminate every frequency below 500Hz and above 10kHz and did a 5db bump at 1kHz or 2k or whatever sounded the harshest ice pick to the brain.

Good grief those cymbals. I guess those are hi-hats? Hard to even tell. It sounds like white noise.

This was my favorite band in 9th grade. I'm probably going deaf now because of Bob's mixing preferences. Class action suit time.*

Copper Blue sounds like a "Bob Mould and his shit sounds" record but actually kinda good. Maybe the labels made him put the full frequency spectrum back in.

*Back sort of to the SST topic - how come when you go to a zip line park or whatever you have to sign an injury waiver but when you go to a Dinosaur Jr show you don't? I saw those freaks about a year ago and it was upsetting how many middle-aged adults were in the crowd without ear plugs. I mean that shit is one-show-and-it's-permanent damage territory. Feels really irresponsible by the venue and band. What's the point of that? I like loud shit but there's a point where you know scientifically it is causing permanent damage. I go to punk and rock shows all the time and often "forget" to bring my plugs even though Bob already permanently damaged me from those shit Husker Du records when I was a kid. I'm not some old dude complaining about loudness. I love loud. Dinosaur Jr is like four steps beyond loud.

That earplug rant is OTM.
We just had no idea as kids. We'd come out of shows and laugh about how we still couldn't hear anything for hours afterwards. And now i'm one of those middle aged dudes complaining about how loud the bar is because i can't hear the conversation happening at my table.

With a tuner app, I have verified that my tinnitus is consistently a high F# tone, generally ignorable but always there. I wonder what the dominant overtones of New Day Rising are?

remember reading how on tour bob mould would fall asleep to motel tv on static full blast to drown out his tinnitus. Not sure how he’s doing now.

He probably wears hearing aids. I saw an audiologist a few months ago and she made me try a hearing aid and just put in the exact frequency that the tinnitus is (4kHz) and it was completely gone. They are very expensive though and I don't need them to hear things - just to get rid of Grant's cymbals.

Cymbals are the frequency I have hearing loss at. And really it's from hundreds of shows in my own bands without protection. My bands were never super loud but a cymbal is a cymbal. And I don't have hearing aids but it seemed to help my tinnitus just knowing more about it (the specific frequencies and how it affects me in every day life) and that there's an option to get rid of it if/when the time comes.

Mould produced the metal band Impaler's "If We Had Brains..We'd Be Dangerous" in 86 and it's def trebly and thin, especially compared to how they sound live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApWk0iUTKns

In hindsight I’m glad Spot was there for the earlier years or else all those albums would sound like shit in exactly the same way

The Mould-produced Made To Be Broken by Soul Asylum sounds like Flip Your Wig or Candy Apple Grey with all the same issues. Insisting on producing themselves as part of the Warner deal seems like a practical joke somehow

maybe Mould's tinnitus fooled him into thinking it sounded great (shrug emoji)

plus, speed

I'm in the "Husker records sound as they should" camp but if you don't like it I think there's enough evidence that it's a Mould thing way more than a Spot thing.

In conclusion:
Metal Circus to New Day Rising sounds shit, but the right kind of shit
Flip Your Wig to Warehouse sounds shit, but the wrong kind of shit

sounds about right altho I'd argue Flip Your Wig is OK on vinyl

Ha otm.

FWIW, going by old newspaper reviews and articles, the grievance with Hüsker Dü albums is that they didn't capture the full-body roar of their live shows, which I'm sure was probably difficult to do regardless.

One of the greatest shows I've ever seen was Bob Mould at Brooklyn Steel in 2019. Lots of Hüsker Dü including an extra long encore that paid tribute to Grant with one of his songs. Also helped that most of the solo songs were from Sunshine Rock, easily my favorite of his solo albums. I was in the middle at the very front, inches from Bob, and the ear plugs were barely enough - that big enveloping sound was glorious, and it would be amazing to hear that faithfully captured on a Hüsker Dü album.

Sugar felt like Mould accomplishing a commercial rock Huskers that they tried with Warehouse

has everyone here seen this? I hope everyone has

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exf1SyjBlBg

I've been trying my hand at remastering a few more things from the SST back catalog using decent stem software and ProTools, not to try to throw shade at Spot or anything, just for fun and my own curiosity.

I recently made versions of The Punch Line and Nothing Left Inside.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/nv08coczju46ftz1qz20l/h?dl=0&rlkey=vil63tdnn47irfhbl3wy4syud

The Flag tune has mad crackling on the drum intro that I'd never noticed before, it seems to be on every version I can put my hand on, and I can't pull it out without damaging the drums.

do the 1982 demo version instead ;)

RIP SPOT

Husker Dü Announce New Live Album Tonite Longhorn
The set captures the trio across four performances in Minneapolis in 1979 and 1980

https://pitchfork.com/news/husker-du-announce-new-live-album-tonite-longhorn/

SST show on WFMU including an interview w/ Jim Ruland

I’m still disappointed the book wasn’t interested in diving into the non “punk” directions the label took from the late ’80s. Like, I don’t remember if it even mentions Ginn’s affinity for Tim Harding of the Richmond scene; I just got a mint copy of the Office Ladies LP on New Alliance from 1989, unopened until I sliced the shrink rap to put it on my turntable 20 minutes ago, and it’s great! But it’s like, Black Flag breaks up, the partners sell to Ginn, Ray Farrell and Mugger leave, and Ruland’s immediately uninterested in the story. Like, I dunno man, stuff like Issues Records and why it existed is interesting to me, but the book doesn’t even acknowledge it existed!

instead of like spending $44 billion dollars to ruin an app, i wish some billionaire with too much money would buy everything associated with SST and hand it over to the folks at Numero Group to give it the treatment it all deserves

agreed, altho Ginn has probably ruined the masters already through poor storage etc

i know i know, i just want someone to save what can be saved at this point

totally