Black Metal!

Only BM i like is Weakling, Wolves In The Throne Room, Lurker Of Chalice and Dead Raven Choir.

yeeaahhh, it's alright. blood inside was more a prog album on an electronic base. the silencing the singing (think that's the title) collection is pretty cool - reminds me of the last couple of labradford albums and some of the better ambient stuff on mille plateaux. but none of it beats their black metal stuff IMO.

Only BM i like is Weakling, Wolves In The Throne Room, Lurker Of Chalice and Dead Raven Choir.

the "non-black metal black metal" stuff? yeah, they're all pretty good. you should start moving laterally, dude, check out some later burzum, hate forest/drudkh, manes, maybe satyricon's rebel extravaganza.

haha, on the MONEY. necrofrost bloodfrost = the rats "the rats revenge part 1 and 2".

unfortunately the political views of drudkh and Burzum means I just could never listen to their music. Don't know the other bands. I think the reason i can stomach those other bands is that the vocals arent the usual grunting stuff. It's almost Alex Newport like. To my ears anyway. The music is often fine not as technical as DM (which is probably why i dont even like DM music nevermind vocals)

Any BM bands that don't have neo nazi/Right wing etc political views and that the vocals are similar to the bands I mentioned that I like I may just check out though! So recommend away.

why?

I completely fail to grasp that. It's not like it's evident in their work much if at all, even Burzum. I mean, don't support beating your wife and treating women like shit, but I ain't selling my James Brown records anytime soon. Or GG Allin. Or is there something patently offensive about Ukrainian history or Norwegian forests?

AND.. the string quartet version thingy of Nattens Madrigal is still ON!

Who here likes Ildjarn? I like Ildjarn. Thanks.

I just heard some Ildjarn at a party the other night. It was good.

The best black/death record I never hear anyone talk about is the first Necrophobic album The Nocturnal Silence. So classic and unheard in the US for some reason.

either old age or wisdom (depending on how you feel about the original position) got to me and now I buy whatever I want to listen to whether its politics are odious or not. guess it's time to catch up on grand belial's key.

I don't really know which bands have right-wing politics and which don't TBH, apart from obviously Burzum. I know Varg was working with Darkthrone on some of their stuff, which I guess means they're probably dodgy and I've bought albums by them. It doesn't really affect whether I like the music but I would think twice about paying money directly to bands if I knew they were nazis/racists/etc. I usually buy black metal stuff second hand anyway which kind of circumvents that issue!

Some ILMers were into Bone Awl last year - the Ildjarn I was listening to yesterday is in that kind of vein - comp of early 90s EPs/demos etc called Det Frysende Nordariket, really good sloppy lo-fi stuff.

I just started listening to Black Metal and I'm a little concerned about which bands are nazis/far-right/whatever. Can someone elaborate a little about this or link me to articles that discuss this issue. As a non-white person it makes me quite uncomfortable if a band who's music I'm loving are fuckig nazis. What about bands like Darkthrone, Gorgoroth and Mayhem?

The Wikipedia entry on National Socialist Black Metal is a good start. Otherwise I'd imagine you'd have to look up the histories of individual bands to see where their ideology lies. But it seems to me (not knowing too much about the scene/genre beyond the surface) that black metal ideology is more about nihilism and/or anti-humanity; there's really no room for racism or white supremacy when you want all humans eradicated equally.

Darkthone is pretty safe iirc fwiw

Well there is all that controversy about Darkthrone using the word 'Aryan' on the back of one of their earliest albums -- but Nachtmystium putting out a record on a white power label (no matter how much they deny Nazi affiliations/sympathies today) seems much more suspect to me.

Varg has a load of lyrical credits on Transilvanian Hunger (plus that whole Aryan Black Metal thing) which makes Darkthrone a bit dodgy.

Trouble is they totally rule.

And I mean suspect insofar as that being on a white power label is somehow excusable if your band is 'apolitical' or whatever -- it's a philosophical issue, yes, but it's also one of intellectual dishonesty.

if you're that worried about dodgy politics it's probably best to avoid black metal altogether

all the classic stuff's better but i suppose there's the whole depressive american misanthropic bm scene - leviathan, xasthur et al., who if racist really don't make a point about (far as i know). there's also velvet cacoon who i'm pretty sure don't have anything to do w/ racist ideology, tho their albums are a little boring sometimes.

what about the french scene? blut aus nord? spektr are pretty amazing. deathspell omega?

ha, or the aussie scene? striborg just hates everybody

oh yea, and here's another thread on the subject: Could someone please recommend me some black metal that is non-racist, non-sexist, and that doesn't go too far past the line of good taste?

i wouldn't really worry about it if you just started listening; the bands you're going to encounter aren't going to be very controversial w/r/t this stuff. most of the big american bm bands are "safe" as far as i know, mayhem (at least the current incarnation) is, seems like from what i know gaahl's gorgoroth probably is too.

if bands that may have said something "controversial" once 15 years ago are going to bother you, then yeah stay away. but if you're cool chalking that up to being a dumbass and not an actual ideology then you're a lot better off imo

what about the french scene? blut aus nord? spektr are pretty amazing. deathspell omega?

― mark cl, vrijdag 10 april 2009 0:38 (7 hours ago) Bookmark

I'm almost positive you can't go wrong with DsO in this matter, racism is something that band doesn't deal with at all. I personally find DsO one of the most interesting bm bands seen from an intellectual point of view. They take elements out of all religions and blend it into something else. Well maybe it's not something else, but it sounds/reads like nothing I've seen before. I'd recommend this interview. It's a very interesting, almost elegant, conversation in my opinion. DsO refuses any simplicity or being categorised into something they're not.

i used to dig a band called bloodthorn from france. mind you that was about 10 years ago.

shit, bloodthorn are norwegian. i sure got that wrong.

antaeus is some interesting french black metal, i found

we should try and compile a list of some of the greatest black metal tracks. listening to certain black metal albums in their entirety tend to leave me a bit drained these days, whereas standout individual tracks can still blow me away/take me to that other place etc.

some winners:

satytricon - mother north
emperor - with strength i burn
burzum - det som en gang var
borknagar - the dawn of the end
enslaved - vetranott
summoning - the glory disappears

Start with Weakling and Wolves In The Throne Room. That's safe stuff and also many non-bm peoples bands its ok to like.

Deathspell Omega are required listening for anyone with an interest in heavy music

also Darkspace (crazy and pretty good if long-winded Swiss sci-fi BM group) have no sort of agenda beyond "shit the universe is terrifying"

also Xasthur is some sort of genius, plz lay hold

When you're ok with all that, listen to every Ulver album, in chronological order, in one sitting :D

Also check out the Alcest EP Le Secret. (the album is shoegaze metal but the ep is BM)

That's an awesome interview with DsO btw! And take it from me: they're not just intellectual gnostics, they're *insanely good* musicians who have a wonderful approach to composition.

maybe this will be the year i'll get into black metal. quite like what xasthur ive heard. like a big dirty whirlwind of sound. its like heroin metal. but i really like the punky end of things like Vordr and Bone Awl. any suggestions?

Can't help you out on punk influenced BM, though Darkthrone might be a good start.

If you're liking Xasthur, you should D/L the early Mutiilation albums, a definite influence and raw as hell.

I think Ildjarn invented that Vordr/Bone Awl style

theres a hell of a lot of this stuff on youtube. Ildjarn seem to be like raw bone awl type stuff to the track below which is like super sleek wind tunnel metal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVa9H763T60

I thought you told me you had given up listening to metal

The BM band who cancelled a festival because Neckbeard Deathcamp was also playing and clearly then this festival wouldn't be a celebration of SATAN is hilarious and amazing.

Lol who was that?

there is something so charming and singular about the first three immortal records, what a cool band they were and are

xp http://www.metalsucks.net/2019/02/21/super-duper-serious-black-metal-band-teratism-refuses-to-play-with-joke-band-neckbeard-deathcamp/

Their full statement in one go:
https://www.facebook.com/Teratism/posts/black-metal-as-we-understand-it-create-it-and-perform-it-is-the-purest-and-most-/2026081190844903/

Which is more interesting -- the ironic band, of the one who goes all in and takes the whole thing totally seriously?
(i'm actually not sure, but respect all around)

that is a true work of art, this is my favourite bit

To make matters even more absurd, I have since heard that this band are in fact Antifa trolls. I can’t speak to that rumor because I don’t know. What I do know is, whether they have a partisan agenda underlying their trolling or not, I was just not interested in flying halfway across the country, donning full ritual garb, lighting candles and incense and then attempting to convince an audience of strangers of the palpable presence of a terrifying spirit of cosmic evil indwelling the world, after waiting for the the fake-black-metal scene’s equivalent of Weird Al Yankovic to clear their rubber chickens off the stage.

"full ritual garb" by which you mean some panstick and a monk's cowl you bought from the costume shop, right?

everything to do with neckbeard deathcamp and nothing, surely, to do with the fact that not even fucking rym gives a shit about teratism

Amazing.

continued:

darkthrone and ulver trilogies: never stopped listening to either of these bc darkthrone and ulver are two of the best bands ever. they're 1000 percent classic, the best of each being (imo) bertgatt and transilvanian hunger, under a funeral moon and nattens madrigal not far behind
dead as dreams: this album feels so vastly different from any '90s bm or any of the usbm that followed. it's like bolt thrower made a black metal record. i still love it every bit as much as i did ten years ago

I am unsurprisingly on Team Teratism here

Funny thing about Bergtatt, when it came out the first review I read in some zine gave it a 6/10, writing that the vocals were ok but the first track was a snooze inducing Burzum rip, the rest was unimaginatively cloned Darkthrone and Burzum riffs, and there was an inexplicable interlude that sounded like a guy eating a bowl of cereal.

lol

And the thing is, I can kind of see where he’s coming from. Even though this record is a clear 9/10 for me, Ulver were arguably derivative of Burzum and Darkthrone in terms of riffs/melodies, and that interlude does sound like someone eating dry corn flakes.

"Weird Al of black metal" is hugely overgenerous tbph

https://novekolo.com/ - I'm not even a hardcore black metal fan but wow

in English too https://novekolo.com/en/

just discovered Judas Iscariot. wow

― Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Monday, December 12, 2016 6:15 PM bookmarkflaglink

Right? Thought he was down with Jesus then BOOM! right up there with the end of s1 of Game of Thrones imo

― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, December 12, 2016 6:17 PM bookmarkflaglink

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ha, Barney's quote rules

Ahh man do i have to be on the same side as Hunter Hunt-Hendrix

“Black metal is a fascinating genre—in part because of its complicated (and bloody) history but also because of the rigorous theory and deep thoughts buzzing around it.

I'm sorry but lmao at this

I don't know anything about Hunt-Hendrix. Her wiki page seemed a bit steeped in philosophy (over sound?)

I happened upon this because I saw Espi Kvlt in a horror anthology table of contents and I hadn't seen anything about her in several years, she's done all this writing and music! I knew she wanted to be a writer though.

Ahh man do i have to be on the same side as Hunter Hunt-Hendrix

― Shaidar Logoff (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 29 March 2021 08:27 (nine hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

yes

just so long as i don't have to listen to his music

Identifies as a woman now.

Legitimately did not know that, sorry.

Thread needs this
https://www.instagram.com/p/Ba7Xh2zHQUt/

Listening to Defuntos, a 2-piece bass&vocals/drums band from Portugal and you know what, I'm not mad at it. Don't think I've ever heard a bm band sing in Portuguese before and it works pretty well.