How did Oasis so blantantly rip-off "Bang a Gong (Get it On) with "Cigarettes and Alcohol", and get away with it?

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"Edwyn Collins for 'Rip It Up' (not sure about that one)"

Completely different scenario: Edwyn / Orange Juice knowingly, deliberately and unashamedly lifted two complete lines of lyric; as well as the trademark signature lead guitar line; from a Buzzcocks song and immediately acknowledged this clear act of homage in the following line of the song:

"You know me I’m acting dumb-dumb
You know the scene it’s very humdrum
And my favourite song’s entitled
'Boredom'".

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 2 June 2005 10:53 (eighteen years ago) link

So then, who was the one who originally wrote the "Put your hands up in the air and wave'em like you just don't care" line then? :)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 2 June 2005 11:05 (eighteen years ago) link

they got away with t because noone cares. legal matter aside (you cannot control a chord progression, only a melody), oasis made a career out of image and a host of damn fine songs, mostof which sound at least a bit like something else. and since most people don't really care about who wrote what etc, the songs were eaten up because they were familiar, yet edgy and somehow fresh.

i mean, sure the beatles wrote bunches of different chords and melodies, but people still buy those records, above all, because they're familiar--classic. so's bang a gong...

b b, Thursday, 2 June 2005 13:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I always thought The Hollies' Long Cool Woman was the ultimate Bang a Gong ripoff musically.

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:20 (eighteen years ago) link

How did Oasis so blantantly rip-off "Bang a Gong (Get it On) with "Cigarettes and Alcohol", and get away with it?

Erm, probably because Bolan ripped it off from someone else first.

I'm not sure it matters, really. I mean Blur's rip-off of "Boys Keep Swinging" was even more blatant if possible, and no-one's ever called them on it.

Radiohead paid up for 'Creep'

I've never heard that. What was Creep a rip-off of?

Philip Alderman (Phil A), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I was wondering about "Creep", too. I'm guessing "The Air That I Breathe" by the Hollies, but I've never heard anything about payment.

brianiac (briania), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Blur's rip-off of "Boys Keep Swinging"

What song was that?

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 2 June 2005 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link

M.O.R? I think... It is very similar.

KeefW (kmw), Thursday, 2 June 2005 17:40 (eighteen years ago) link

M.O.R., yes. The vocal melody/chords/arrangement are almost identical to Bowie's up until the chorus, which was presumably just different enough to prevent Bowiecorp suing.

Actually, the more I think about it, the more litigious it gets. E.g., The chorus of "Boys" goes "Boys keep swinging/Boys always work it out", whereas M.O.R has: "You, me, we, we'll work it out!"

Philip Alderman (Phil A), Thursday, 2 June 2005 18:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean Blur's rip-off of "Boys Keep Swinging" was even more blatant if possible, and no-one's ever called them on it.

Bowie and Brian Eno have a co-songwriting credit for "MOR" on the single and probably every other release of that song (other than the album).

So yeah, Blur got called on it.

bob knob, Thursday, 2 June 2005 23:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Oasis never denied taking it from Bolan, however... they even admitted to it in "Getting High", their first bio, I believe. Noel was a huge fan of T-Rex and really praised them more than just about any other artists besides the beatles.

Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Friday, 3 June 2005 04:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Belle & Sebatsian also increased Cliff Richard's bank balance thanks to Wrapped Up In Books being similar to In The Country.

And there's a song of theirs, which esacpes me now, which is a direct ripoff of a Lee Hazlewood song.

mentalist (mentalist), Friday, 3 June 2005 05:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Dog on Wheels?

KeefW (kmw), Friday, 3 June 2005 07:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Didn't know about the Blur one being credited... Interesting though, because the original artists don't seem to get a huge percentage on the whole. I mean, I'd have given the Stranglers 90% of the royalties to "Waking Up", but 50% sounds like a good deal to me, considering that all that's different are the words. You could make a good deal of cash out of an LP of loosely disguised cover versions by the looks of things.

KeefW (kmw), Friday, 3 June 2005 07:52 (eighteen years ago) link

It would seem Marc's interests aren't being looked after that well by his publisher.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 3 June 2005 15:55 (eighteen years ago) link

xp 1- KeefW- Words are fifty per cent of publishing. Hence cases like the NIrvana split, when Cobain took 66.666% of credit at someone else's suggestion (I can't think who) after success struck. Previously they split three ways. That's a lot of cash to lose. Blur went something like 50/25/12.5/12.5 though Albarn could have claimed the lot (but he'd never have made it without Coxy)
xp 2- 'Creep' is 'The Air That I Breathe'. Don't know if the Hollies wrote it, but apparently the writers did collect from Radiohead (and why not. It has the same melody)
xp 3- Stewart. I was kidding about 'Rip It Up'. But Shelley/Devoto's publisher would be well within their rights to collect. Admitting theft doesn't mean it isn't theft. Orange Juice almost certainly sold more copies and certainly received more radio play.

snotty moore, Saturday, 4 June 2005 22:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, "Dog on Wheels", ridiculously ripped from Summer Wine by Lee'n'Nancy.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 5 June 2005 11:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Oasis rip off the La's on the new record, but if Noel actually managed to get them to re-form wouldn't that make it more of a tribute?

Aaron W (Aaron W), Sunday, 5 June 2005 12:29 (eighteen years ago) link

john lennon "imagine" = "don't look back in anger " piano intro

"all the young dudes" = the rest of that song!

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Sunday, 5 June 2005 14:39 (eighteen years ago) link

But the La's have reformed. Does this mean Noel's work is done?

snotty moore, Sunday, 5 June 2005 20:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Definitely Maybe meant Noel's work was done.

Jetlag Willy (noodle vague), Sunday, 5 June 2005 20:19 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.songfacts.com/detail.lasso?id=867

hott the moople, Monday, 6 June 2005 02:44 (eighteen years ago) link


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