What's the best Genesis album?

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Trespass is my personal favorite, but I think Wind & Wuthering and A Trick of the Tail (minus the title track) is their out-and-out best.

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 5 February 2005 02:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

And Then There Were Three is underappreciated, I agree. "Down and Out" certainly jams and "Undertow" is quite a beautiful ballad.

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 5 February 2005 02:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...
Can anyone explain this band's massive popularity in the 80s? I just heard "Throwing It All Away" and can't imagine a song like that played on the radio today. I'm not even saying it's bad. Just . . . so different. The guy's voice, the "doo doo doo doo . . . aaahhh," the aching yuppy melancholia the production evokes. So how the hell did this stuff find a massive audience? It can't be because of the band's looks. And it's not like Genesis was all that popular in the 70s, not like Zeppelin or Floyd or anything.

rubylove, Monday, 26 December 2005 23:48 (twelve years ago) Permalink

It's the Ugly Middle-Aged White Guy Syndrome. Many of its' 80s beneficiaries include: Steve Winwood, Peter Gabriel, Clapton, Paul Simon.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 00:13 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Oh, and Genesis took off because Phil Collins was HUGE. There were Collins and Genesis songs constantly hitting the top 10 between 1984 and 1992.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 00:15 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I think the success of Abacab preceded Collins's massive solo success, didn't it? Face Value = only P.C. solo album pre-Abacab = 1 (minor) hit in "I Know There's Something Going On"

I could be wrong though

Mr Straight Toxic (ghostface), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 01:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Er, "I Missed Again" and a little throwaway called "In the Air Tonight"?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 01:41 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"i can't dance "had 5 top twenty singles.
i can't dance
hold on my heart
no son of mine
jesus he knows me
tell me why
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/album/4422.html

chill pollins, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 01:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

abacab has abacab and a gem called sarah jane.was sarah jane a single.

chill pollins, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 01:53 (twelve years ago) Permalink

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I am dating myself a little bit, but in my recollection, Phl solo got huge (in the US) when "In the Air" tonight was used on Miami Vice. And that gave momentum to Genesis (the yellow album). They may have had hits, even big ones, before that but -- as Alfred notes -- that's what made them huge.

Mitya (mitya), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 02:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"Against All Odds" hit number one before "Miami Vice" was a hit. Let's agree that his popularity was a slow phenom.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 02:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Face Value peaked at #7 on Billboard - I don't remember where "In the Air Tonight" went as a single but I'm pretty sure it didn't hit #1. The song got a boost from "Miami Vice" a couple of years later, as Mitya notes, but Face Value wasn't a huge blockbuster of an album or anything. The general feeling I remember from the success of Abacab was "whoa! who'da thunk it: people actually buying Genesis albums!"

Mr Straight Toxic (ghostface), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 04:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"Selling England By The Pound". "Foxtrot" has "Supper's Ready", but "Selling..." is slightly better overall. Every track is perfect.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 04:29 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Geir you know in your heart that Nursery Cryme rules the school.

Mr Straight Toxic (ghostface), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 04:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"Nursery Cryme" is somewhat underproduced. Some great songs, of course, but it lacks a bit in the sound department. Plus "Selling England..." benefits from the use of synths for the first time on a Genesis album.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 12:15 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"In The Air Tonight" was also in a little Tom Cruise flick called Risky Business - I think that came out in 1983 or 84? The world simply could not withstand the 1-2 punch.

I don't think "Me And Sarah Jane" was a single, but I agree its a great tune. "Like It Or Not" was another good one from Abacab. I also remember digging one of the studio tunes from 3 Sides Live - "You Might Recall" it was.

I think I have to give the album nod to the Lamb. It has the best collection of tunes for me - title track, Back in NYC, In the Cage, Grand Parade, etc. I would love to have seen that tour!

erv (Abe Froman), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 03:48 (twelve years ago) Permalink

the best genesis album is the live lamb concert that came with the first achives box with new overdubs. i love that shit.

howell huser (chaki), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 04:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
Is Trick of the Tail really flatly produced? Today I've been listening to it properly for the first time in maybe 20 years, and I get the same feeling I got when I used to listen to it a lot: some of their best tunes and chord sequences, but this horrible alienating lacquer over it all that makes it sound a bit dead, somehow.

Why does the birds always shitting on me? (noodle vague), Friday, 24 March 2006 16:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

OTM, Noodle. Could've been the best, but somehow isn't.

Mitya (mitya), Friday, 24 March 2006 19:57 (eleven years ago) Permalink

it used to be selling england by the pound but i think it is nursery cryme now. i prefer them when they are less produced. one thing i never understood is why their first album from genesis to revelation never receives any love. i quite like it. that's where they were at their most lofi.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

trick of the tail sounds okay to me, wind and wuthering sounds awful though. the remastered cd sounds better than the old vinyl, but still muffled

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I love the production on "Trick Of The Tail". Excellent work by David Henchel. (Same about "Wind And Wuthering")

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:15 (eleven years ago) Permalink

It sounds restrained, not in a good way, and there's no room for the individual instruments. What do you like about the production, G?

Why does the birds always shitting on me? (noodle vague), Friday, 24 March 2006 22:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I haven't gone back to WaW yet, but I'm imagining it's going to sound the same way.

Why does the birds always shitting on me? (noodle vague), Friday, 24 March 2006 22:30 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I'm a big fan of Foxtrot.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 24 March 2006 22:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

What do you like about the production, G?

I find it sounds more distinct, with better stereo separation and more treble, than their earlier work.

Musically, I prefer the best of the Gabriel era work, but I still think "Trick..." and "Wind...." are the ones that sound best.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 24 March 2006 23:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Hmmmm. I'll have to try it on headphones.

Why does the birds always shitting on me? (noodle vague), Friday, 24 March 2006 23:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I bought the remastered Selling England recently, buying Queen II on the same day...the former rather paled by comparison

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 24 March 2006 23:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

This has got to be a candidate:
http://www.genesismuseum.com/vinyl/sebtptaiwan200.jpg

Lotta Continua (Damian), Saturday, 25 March 2006 21:15 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Bah, now I'm getting a red X there... anyway, the image is at http://www.genesismuseum.com/vinyl/sebtptaiwan200.jpg

Lotta Continua (Damian), Saturday, 25 March 2006 22:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Queen II" is an excellent and very underrated album that still pales besides "Selling England..."

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 25 March 2006 23:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I know fer damn sure that Invisible Touch is Phil Collins' best album.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 25 March 2006 23:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
I just got that greatest hits album…man, I dig the shit out of everything Collins/Banks/Rutherford (/Thompson/Sturmer) done, until Invisible Touch, which is dirediredire.

I've never heard a whole album by the quintet, but I have a hard time accepting that anything they did could be as thrilling as Queen II. Jesus, the intro to "Ogre Battle" !!

veronica moser (veronica moser), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 22:11 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Nursery Cryme.
Never could get into Selling England By The Pound.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 22:34 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I've been listening to Lamb a lot lately, trying to get my head around it, but otherwise I pick Foxtrot.

Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 22:39 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Veronica apparently bought the wrong Greatest Hits album. The one to own is the 3 CD one called "Platinum Collection".

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 22:41 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I think the success of Abacab preceded Collins's massive solo success, didn't it? Face Value = only P.C. solo album pre-Abacab = 1 (minor) hit in "I Know There's Something Going On"

"Misunderstanding" hit top 20 before that, so the later success wasn't completely by surprise.

LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 23:24 (eleven years ago) Permalink

True "Misunderstanding" sounds like a Phil Collins solo single.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 23:27 (eleven years ago) Permalink

no, in fact I purchased the one Geir mentions. its just that I'm taken with that era. I like the gabriel era, but it hasn't grabbed me so much.

perhaps one should not presume that anyone that doesn't do backflips for the era one likes the most has not heard a particular comp. one would seem condescending if one was to do so.

veronica moser (veronica moser), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 03:22 (eleven years ago) Permalink

no, in fact I purchased the one Geir mentions. its just that I'm taken with the first part of the trio era. I like the gabriel era, but it hasn't grabbed me so much.

perhaps one should not presume that anyone that doesn't do backflips for the artist iteration one likes the most has not heard a particular comp. one would seem condescending if one was to do so.

veronica moser (veronica moser), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 03:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Is "I Know There's Something Going On" the same song that Frida did? I remember Phil Collins being on that album somewhere, but I thought maybe he played drums on it or something.

Pangolino 2, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 04:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I have a hard time accepting that anything they did could be as thrilling as Queen II

"The Musical Box"?

LC (Damian), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 06:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Phil Collins produced the Frida album, IIRC.

Joe (Joe), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 11:11 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"the musical box" is great. don't like it as much as "seven Seas" "ogre Battle" "Father to Son" or any number of tunes on QII.

veronica moser (veronica moser), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"The Musical Box" is a great composition that would have sounded even better if it was on one of their better produced albums such as "Selling England By The Pound" or "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway". The production, and lack of synths, is my main problem about "Nursery Cryme".

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:37 (eleven years ago) Permalink

incidentally, said platinum collection doesn't include "man on the corner" and "No Reply at all"—disappointing! the latter is where you find Gentleman Mike Rutherford tearing it up on that big bassss. his finest moment!

his worst is his crap Keef pantomime on "I Can't Dance."

veronica moser (veronica moser), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

There was only room for the singles from those 80s albums. While those two are among their best simple pop moments, I miss "Home By The Sea" and "Domino" considerably more. Two rare 80s moments of 70s greatness by Genesis.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

the remastered/remixed songs from nursery cryme that are on the platinum collection sound much better than the last remaster of that album; not sure what is going on with releasing the full album versions of those (sounds like they are indefinitely stalled)

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

actually, "home by the sea" parts 1 and 2 are included on the Platinum Collection. watch them facts, Mr. "I know everything about majestic white people music" guy!

not one person on this Earth would rather hear "Calling All Stations" from '97 than those aforementioned orphaned tunes.

or are you going to defend that tune, GH?

veronica moser (veronica moser), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Harold the Barrel is the most terrifyingly chilling song I have ever heard, I think. In my mind I can *see* him leaping off the building in excrutiating slow motion, so, so distinctly. Songs never give me visions this rich, ever.

Couple that with Hogweed and Seven Stones, and The Musical Box without the self-conscious middle bit, and you've got a magic run of songs.

Foxtrot hurts my brain. Apocalypse 9/8 sounds like primary school kids learning how to play their instruments.

Hotman Paris Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 3 June 2006 01:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

It's basically a mid '80s synthpop record with a bicycle pump shoved up its arse.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Friday, 14 July 2017 23:49 (seven months ago) Permalink

Vinnie Colaiuta could play anything Peart could, and then some, but Peart could not play "Nightshift" by the Commodores. And I have no doubt that Jeff Porcaro could play Rush songs, too, but Peart could not play "Billie Jean."

Josh, you complete me.

didgeridon't (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 14 July 2017 23:51 (seven months ago) Permalink

the "who had better chops" thing is always pretty silly but particularly silly in this case. I mean by any measure both these bands had a buttload of chops, more chops than any band would reasonably need and both used them to make some of the most ludicrous and awesome rock music, by no reasonable standard would you say well the problem with Rush or Genesis? just didn't have the chops, shoulda taken more lessons

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 July 2017 23:56 (seven months ago) Permalink

Of course not, but Rush do have the superior chops.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Friday, 14 July 2017 23:58 (seven months ago) Permalink

Also the idea that Neil Peart couldn't play 'Billie Jean' is hilarious - of course he could, but it probably wouldn't interest him to do so.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:00 (seven months ago) Permalink

Stop now

Tim F, Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:01 (seven months ago) Permalink

Of course not, but Rush do have the superior chops.

― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Friday, July 14, 2017 4:58 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

someone get me out of this loop

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:01 (seven months ago) Permalink

lol ok man like I just listen to Supper's Ready and all I can't think is man too bad Banks isn't even more of a wanker cuz this really could use Rick Wakeman jizzing Canterbury Tales analog synth all over the track like a frickin firehose

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:06 (seven months ago) Permalink

off this topic I think it's interesting, Abacab is 81 and Signals is 82, which at that point the two bands are as stylistically similar as they ever got, like there's not a million miles between Abacab's title track and Subdivisions.

one thing we never considered is a band that was influenced by post Gabriel Genesis might have been Rush themselves

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:08 (seven months ago) Permalink

Geddy picked Nursery Chryme as of his favorite albums of all time in The Quietus:

Genesis - Nursery Crime
Well I was a big fan of Genesis and Peter Gabriel. That was when I first discovered the notion of a 'concept' and that it could be an adventurous and lively place and not dull at all. It is a very playful and compelling record. I fell in love with the sound of it. I was totally entranced by it and wanted to know how they had done it. This is part of the roots of Rush. The creation of a flexible concept. The parallels are obvious.

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:12 (seven months ago) Permalink

Nah, Signals is just basically natural evolution from Moving Pictures... they were headed in that direction anyway.

It's well known they were influenced by Gabriel-era Genesis, though... Lifeson claims one of the lead guitar parts on 'The Fountain of Lamneth' is influenced by Hackett. It doesn't matter though, the took those influences and improved on them colossally.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:20 (seven months ago) Permalink

Cosigning Tim's request to stop as I'm getting flashbacks to Grade 10

doug watson, Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:28 (seven months ago) Permalink

This discussion would have been over again if the Genesis hardcore hadn't protested so much... but I agree, let's suck it up and move on.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:32 (seven months ago) Permalink

*again=ages ago.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:32 (seven months ago) Permalink

Yes Turrucan it was definitely the.... Genesis faithful...that were belaboring the point

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:46 (seven months ago) Permalink

we're just like the stevie nicks coven that keeps ruining he fleetwood mac threads

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:56 (seven months ago) Permalink

Haha

Tim F, Saturday, 15 July 2017 01:00 (seven months ago) Permalink

To be fair Brad, suggesting that music doesn't necessarily resolve into a rigid hierarchy of objective greatness is pretty ruinous.

Tim F, Saturday, 15 July 2017 01:16 (seven months ago) Permalink

Ok, the moment that none of you have been waiting for..

The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
Abacab
Genesis
Foxtrot
Duke
Selling England By The Pound
Trick Of The Trail
Wind & Wuthering

(bit of a drop in quality here)

Trespass
Nursery Crime
Then There Were Three
Invisible Touch
We Can't Dance

I haven't heard the first and last albums yet but nothing I've read has convinced me I should give them a shot.

A big thank you to the posters on here who've made me listen to the Collins era with an open mind. I was missing out on some really great music (especially Abacab).

kitchen person, Sunday, 16 July 2017 02:40 (seven months ago) Permalink

I haven't heard the first and last albums yet but nothing I've read has convinced me I should give them a shot.

― kitchen person

the first album is really good if you're into '60s-era bee gees!

The Saga of Rodney Stooksbury (rushomancy), Sunday, 16 July 2017 03:56 (seven months ago) Permalink

Stopped reading that list after the third entry, tbh.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 16 July 2017 10:03 (seven months ago) Permalink

Glad you found some new titles to enjoy. Turrican is toxic; pay him no mind -- i called him the new "Gier" but that's too good for his foul, over-bloated ego. Call him Turdican, or just Turd for short.

bodacious ignoramus, Sunday, 16 July 2017 13:22 (seven months ago) Permalink

Ha!

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 16 July 2017 16:01 (seven months ago) Permalink

this is so the most metal non-metal song evah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTuJQL8GBqY

Neanderthal, Sunday, 16 July 2017 16:25 (seven months ago) Permalink

Yeah, I fucking love that track - both musically and lyrically. In fact, if we were to poll this band, all three of the Nursery Cryme epics would make it onto my ballot without hesitation.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 16 July 2017 16:28 (seven months ago) Permalink

I haven't heard it in many years but there are so many great parts I forgot about, listening to it now.

Neanderthal, Sunday, 16 July 2017 16:31 (seven months ago) Permalink

The swelling mellotron on the intro to 'The Fountain of Salmacis' is one of my favourite moments in a Genesis song ever, as well as the rocking out sections in 'The Musical Box' etc. etc. As much as I find Nursery Cryme, in a way, to be a bit of a dry run for Foxtrot, it's got some stunning moments on it. With a better production job it could have even been one of their best ever.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 16 July 2017 16:33 (seven months ago) Permalink

The early epics rock hardest on Genesis Live. Plus that album cover is one of my favourite rock images.

dinnerboat, Sunday, 16 July 2017 18:41 (seven months ago) Permalink

The shredding guitar solo bits on "Musical Box" feel a bit proto-Maiden to me.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 16 July 2017 20:32 (seven months ago) Permalink

something something two-handed tapping something

The Saga of Rodney Stooksbury (rushomancy), Monday, 17 July 2017 01:27 (seven months ago) Permalink


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