Van Morrison: your views please

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g, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

[check 2] now now -- blocking threads like that isn't very nice!

Mrs. Grundy, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

[check 3] Hmm... try this, maybe?

Mrs. Grundy, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

What in god's name happened to this thread?

Michael Daddino, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...
Beautiful Vision, perfect album

dn, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
Van Morrison's Greatest Hits doesn't has neither "TB Sheets" nor "The Way That Young Lovers Do." In fact, it doesn't have anything at all from Astral Weeks. I tried to convince my mom that she ought to throw it away and just buy his first five or six albums or whatever. She was having none of that.

Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 14 November 2004 18:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

oh, I guess it has "Sweet Thing" on it, and it's not Greatest Hits it's The Best of BUT STILL. NO TB SHEETS. THAT IS UNFUCKINGACCEPTABLE.

Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 14 November 2004 18:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Cannot stand him, honestly.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 14 November 2004 19:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Why is this thread all fucked-up looking? Anyway Astral Weeks is like the greatest thing ever okbye.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Sunday, 14 November 2004 20:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Astral Weeks is an awful, sickly wedding cake of wobbly self-indulgence.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 14 November 2004 21:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I love Astral Weeks! And Mad T.V.!

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 November 2004 22:38 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

What I wrote on the 'frat-rock' thread, i.e., should've stopped after 'Gloria'. Morrison = Meat Loaf with a Celtic burden of significance instead of cheezy American humour. -- dave q (scrape10...), October 17th, 2001.

dave q., as usual, nails it. still, i give a thumb's up to astral weeks and moondance, and bits and pieces of all the rest.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 14 November 2004 23:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

WTF IS with this thread anyway?

and didn't someone on ILX once post a rilly funny story about some (REALLY disgusting) thing that van's (understandably) pissed-off stage musicians did to one of his harmonicas?!?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 14 November 2004 23:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

ok i found it:

Van Morrison is a prize curmudgeon by all accounts, which gives me an opportunity to pinch this from the rocking vicar
Van's Daily Dump
Van Morrison insists on his band turning up to rehearsals at bang on 8.30am, although Van himself often doesn't turn up until ten, and then goes straight to the toilet with a copy of Exchange & Mart to have a dump. One day, the band got so cross that they waited until Van was engaged and then, one by one, tip-toed over to Van's Sacred Harmonica Bag, full of harmonicas Van has collected from around the world, picked a specimen, and rubbed it in their anal clefts. Even now, when you see Van on Later, his band seemed particularly delighted when he does a harmonica solo.

-- Billy Dods (butterbubble...), September 4th, 2002.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 14 November 2004 23:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I love Astral Weeks to bits, but I've never felt the need to get anything else.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Sunday, 14 November 2004 23:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Fixored this fuxor. Should be readable now.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Thanks Sean; you're a treat.

Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Alex in NYC maybe MAYBE has a big lump of coal where his heart is.


Astral Weeks = very necessary.

The rest = meh. Ups and downs.

skowly (skowly), Monday, 15 November 2004 04:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i like veedon fleece.

bulbs (bulbs), Monday, 15 November 2004 04:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I find him dull except for Them.

Out of context, that would be a strange sentence.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 15 November 2004 04:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Them + pretty much everything up to 1974 classic - although the amount of love lavished on Astral Weeks is a bit perplexing and St. Dominic's Preview in particular really should receive far more love than it seems to.

Nothing I've heard from him since 1974 seems to come close - although I'd be interested to see what other ILMers think of some of his more recent albums (especially Back On Top, Down The Road, What's Wrong With This Picture) since I have recently been entertaining the (probably fanciful) notion that he's about due for a sudden and unexpected return to form.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 15 November 2004 04:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

As somebody said on the Rod Stewart thread, that Fritz can really tell it like it is.

This message is not for Van haters, but for Van fans. I first got hip to Van when I saw the "Last Waltz." When he came out I thought "who the heck is that little fat guy, he's all flabby and dressed in a brown pantsuit? He looks like a middle-aged lady. On top of that he's doing this ridiculous chorus-line kicking." Then I kept listening and I shut up. His was the most definitive performance in the movie, his and Muddy Waters.

About Van sideman and territory-sharer Georgie Fame, who was dissed above: I saw Georgie once at Ronnie Scott's in London, and he put on one good show. He did one bit where, in a tribute to his former boss, he sang a medley of Moondance and some African song from a movie soundtrack (was it one of those Cornel Wilde things?) that was pretty damn great.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 15 November 2004 04:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Them's version of 'Its all over now, baby blue' is classic. Astral weeks is obviously amazing. I don't give a fuck about anything else he did, and neither should anyone else.

prov, Monday, 15 November 2004 06:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I think the haters maybe don't like Van because of his jazz leanings. C'mon people, who do you think he is, Sting? The

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 15 November 2004 06:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

A second for 'Beautiful Vision.' Great album that my folks used to put on when I was 7 or 8. Don't know if I'd have the same reaction to it if I heard it for the first time now, though.

57 7th (calstars), Monday, 15 November 2004 17:38 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I don't like him b/c the timbre of his voice grates on me for some reason. Sorry, VM lovers!!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 15 November 2004 17:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"the antithesis of post-punk, earnest caterwauling hippy mystic and faux jazz self- flagellation"

I've never thought of Van Morrison as hippy-anything (or especially earnest, for that matter). Unlike the faux-mysticism of, say, Led Zeppelin, Van's lyrics steer clear of gnomes and m'ladys, are grounded instead in back alleys, snowstorms, trains, Safeway supermarkets, and memory. More importantly, the music is equally grounded: in r&b. His 70's catalogue (Moondance, Tupelo Honey, St Dominick's Preview, Hardnose the Highway, Veedon Fleece, and though it's '69, Astral Weeks belongs in this group too) is at least as strong as Al Green's. After that, for the most part it seems like he started reading a bit too much of his own press: yes, the mysticism did start to grate. I've been listening to him a lot again. He good.

Burr (Burr), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

He's supposedly a mean drunk.

shookout (shookout), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Unlike the faux-mysticism of, say, Led Zeppelin, Van's lyrics steer clear of gnomes and m'ladys,
??? Sorry, those two terms do not appear anywhere in any LZ song.

57 7th (calstars), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Sorry, I should have said dark lords and elders of the gentle race.

Burr (Burr), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Thank you, that'll be fine.

57 7th (calstars), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

is at least as strong as Al Green's

how hold on a moment...

amateur!!st, Monday, 15 November 2004 20:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

you've awoken one of the gnomes, Burr, or is it a dark m'lady...?

rumple, Monday, 15 November 2004 20:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

'Slim Slo Slider' is much deeper than 'Strong as Death (Sweet as Love)'..
Take that, dark gnomes!

rumple, Monday, 15 November 2004 20:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

hey, i'm not gonna argue, dude. i like the van.

but al green is al green!

amateur!!st, Monday, 15 November 2004 20:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

at least you didn't go into some tedious 'style over substance' argument like Skidpants

rumple, Monday, 15 November 2004 21:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i got made fun of a lot in europe for using the word "dude" all the time

anyway style IS substance. dude.

amateur!!st, Tuesday, 16 November 2004 04:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

wow, you've actually BEEN to Europe? With Mommy or Daddy, or on a scholarship?

yeah, you would believe that sort of twaddle. Le Roy Neiman has a lot of "style," how do you feel about him? (here comes the lecture) I hope you wear a beret when you type out these missives. And one earring. No, that wouldn't go with the short pants and riding crop.

intelligent discussion may now resume.

the dude., Tuesday, 16 November 2004 06:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

whatever dude

amateur!!st, Tuesday, 16 November 2004 08:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Have I Told You Lately That I Love You?

rumple, Tuesday, 16 November 2004 08:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

not lately, no

amateur!!st, Tuesday, 16 November 2004 15:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

I've been totally gaying out on Van lately. Saw the last waltz again and it really hit me how fucking BIZARRE the man is...such strange mannerisms onstage, so "passionate" but yet seems sort of bitter and hateful and totally uncaring about the crowd...

but so anyway yesterday I picked up "It's too late to stop now" a live album with his band, the Caledonia Soul Orchestra...honestly I think it's one of the greatest albums ever recorded...every song is retooled, rearranged...huge band, strings + horns + a core of a whoop-ass RnB band and rhythm secion....Van is all over the fucking place on this....slurring everything into a million fake endings and rave up WHOMP WHOMP WHOMP rhythm section hits...tuuurn on yuuuuur raDIO blooblobleeebledeeedlebloooombabloooobeeeedoodbeee..urrrrrnnnnn letcha lights shaaane....lettttit shine...

the fourth side "Heres Comes the night"---->gloria----->caravan----->cypress avenue is amazing...i think it's about five minutes before cypress is even close to being recognizable....

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 24 September 2007 16:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

yeah that last waltz performance is strange, right? he's definitely got a weird mix of wanting to be this classic entertainer type and then also just having a "fuck you" attitude. it works! the jumpsuit, on the other hand ...

there's a beyond-fantastic bootleg from a 1972 live radio session that has some incredible van moments -- a definitive "Friday's Child," a beautiful "into the mystic" and an incredible reading of dylan's "just like a woman." that thing deserves official release, seriously. it's a peak.

as much as i like van, i haven't delved very deeply into his post-mid 70s stuff. but it seems as though there's plenty of worthwhile albums/songs ...

tylerw, Monday, 24 September 2007 16:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

As much as I love "Caravan" from TLW, I love his vocal on "Tura Lura Lura" even more. God I wish there was an outtake of that floating somewhere.

Jazzbo, Monday, 24 September 2007 17:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

He's complete crap, of course.

Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 01:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Wrong, Alex. The man could do the neatest codas.

Cunga, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 01:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

If you enjoy listening to walruses gargle with their own filth, then I suppose so.

Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 01:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Oh goodness, well, a gurgling walrus with beautiful strings behind him then.

Cunga, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 01:46 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i thought he was drunk/coked out of his mind in the last waltz?

i like van, but i'm only recently recovering from drastic overexposure some fifteen years ago.

mookieproof, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 03:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I owe a drink to whoever posted that YouTube clip of him doing "Warm Love" on German TV in '74 onto a different Van thread.

Matos W.K., Wednesday, 26 September 2007 22:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

looking forward to a bit of ray charles in the style of lord charles

Herb Achelors (NickB), Wednesday, 3 October 2018 15:16 (three months ago) Permalink


Zach Same (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 October 2018 15:44 (three months ago) Permalink

one month passes...


This is totally bananas.

Today, @vanmorrison unceremoniously released the '68 "Catacombs Tapes" as a live album on iTunes UK. This is the legendary recording I spend the whole #AstralWeeks1968 book trying to track down & hear...and, uh, now YOU can too!

— Ryan H. Walsh (@JahHills) November 8, 2018

that's not my post, Thursday, 8 November 2018 05:00 (two months ago) Permalink

looks like it's gone already :(

if anyone has leads please let me know :)

Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 8 November 2018 15:33 (two months ago) Permalink

Don't know how long it will be up:

that's not my post, Friday, 9 November 2018 18:59 (two months ago) Permalink

hell yeah

haven't read ryan's book yet but i'm glad these tapes are out there now

princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 9 November 2018 19:02 (two months ago) Permalink

catacombs tape is great! seems like Van had a fairly clear idea of the Astral Weeks sound at this point ... not a perfect recording, but pretty damn fantastic for a 50 year old audience tape.

tylerw, Friday, 9 November 2018 19:18 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah i'm at "brown eyed girl" and this rules a lot

princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 9 November 2018 19:21 (two months ago) Permalink

not a perfect recording

lol yeah the tape speeding up during "one two brown eyes" freaked me out at work

princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 9 November 2018 19:34 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah this is gorgeous, definitely interesting to hear a little hint of what brown eyed girl would have sounded like on astral weeks

Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 9 November 2018 19:59 (two months ago) Permalink

damn this version of beside you is revelatory

fred-a van vleet (voodoo chili), Friday, 9 November 2018 19:59 (two months ago) Permalink

holy shit this catacombs tape

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 9 November 2018 21:43 (two months ago) Permalink

like holy holy holy holy

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 9 November 2018 22:13 (two months ago) Permalink

Balls, it's already been taken down!

Have the Rams stopped screaming yet, Lloris? (Chinaski), Saturday, 10 November 2018 11:18 (two months ago) Permalink

I managed to grab a copy, my ilxmail works fine

niels, Saturday, 10 November 2018 12:09 (two months ago) Permalink

Magic, cheers! You have mail.

Have the Rams stopped screaming yet, Lloris? (Chinaski), Saturday, 10 November 2018 12:58 (two months ago) Permalink

Missed this before it was pulled but I love that it was Peter Wolf of all people who had this tape.

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 11 November 2018 00:34 (two months ago) Permalink

Peter Wolf knew Van back then. Apparently Morrison would make drunken phone requests to radio station Wolf DJ'd for.

BTW, Wolf was college roomies w/David Lynch!

The Greta Van Gerwig (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 11 November 2018 00:43 (two months ago) Permalink


Didn’t know that about Van’s requests. Hilarious.

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 11 November 2018 04:06 (two months ago) Permalink

xp chinaski didn't get your email, weird... try kern.cooper at gmail dot com

I could also just post a direct link here but I get the feeling it wouldn't be in the spirit of ilx?

niels, Sunday, 11 November 2018 12:12 (two months ago) Permalink

I'm surprised how much I like the version of Virgo Clown from the Catacombs set. It's not a song I've been into before.

that's not my post, Sunday, 11 November 2018 21:34 (two months ago) Permalink

Read through the Astral Weeks book very quickly yesterday and was happy to see tyler get an acknowledgement at the very end.

Buckaroo Can't Fail (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 12 November 2018 15:15 (two months ago) Permalink

90s (?) 2-CD The Story of Them Featuring Van Morrison is incredible, The Bang Masters, the unscrewed-with originals of tracks that showed up on early solo LPs, is good barefoot pop, get most 70s except maybe Hard Nose The Highway, but I think I stopped buying new stuff after Beautiful Vision, in the early 80s. Clearly need to check out some more, is what I think after hearing bluesy coountry duets with the evervescent Linda Gail Lewis, during one of the wildest (far beyond in-character) American Routes shows ever, THE KILLER, THE THRILLER & THE CHILLER: JERRY LEE LEWIS WITH SISTERS LINDA GAIL AND FRANKIE JEAN---scroll down this page a little for links to hours 1 & 2 (Van shows up in hour 2)
(playlists for both hours are also linked)
Would like to check his album of Mose Allison songs too.

dow, Monday, 12 November 2018 21:18 (two months ago) Permalink

So, that was purely to keep the copyright alive: Make it available for one day in an obscure part of the world (the UK)

Mark G, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 00:38 (two months ago) Permalink

The TV was playing (in the background) a Saturday Night Live episode from Nov. 4, 1978 — I snapped to attention when the Van Morrison performance, “Wavelength,” came on... the band is super tight, lithe, springy, fluid!

Anyone know who was in that particular band? Was it basically the crew from the Wavelength album?

I searched around but can’t find much info... the clip doesn’t even seem to be YouTube, where people usually lost that stuff.

my guitar friend wants his money (morrisp), Sunday, 18 November 2018 06:45 (one month ago) Permalink


my guitar friend wants his money (morrisp), Sunday, 18 November 2018 06:46 (one month ago) Permalink

This one is from a few months later (Feb 79). Someone listed the musicians in the comments.

that's not my post, Sunday, 18 November 2018 18:42 (one month ago) Permalink


my guitar friend wants his money (morrisp), Sunday, 18 November 2018 18:57 (one month ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

The new Prophet Speaks is Van's fourth album in 18 months, he again is with Joey DeFrancesco's quartet doing a mixture of originals and blues covers.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 8 December 2018 21:07 (one month ago) Permalink

"The Prophet Speaks"

curmudgeon, Saturday, 8 December 2018 21:08 (one month ago) Permalink

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