Destiny's Child: Classic Or Dud

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Shangri-Las my ass, they're not even the Pointer Sisters (just compare "Bills Bills Bills", "Say My Name" and "Jumpin' Jumpin'" with "Automatic", "Jump" and "I'm So Excited"). OK Singles artists is what they are.

The Destiny's Child review in the new Village Voice kinda nails Beyonce Knowles to the wall. It's all based on lyrics, mind you, but boy does she come on like a spoiled brat.

Patrick, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I think that getting into heaven should be a reward-based system based on how many varieties of cider you expose yourself to, and if you leave out too many varieties of cider in your lifetime, then you don't get enough points and don't get into heaven. That's just me.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

so i just read the village voice review patrick had mentioned and, yeah, it's amusing. but is it an album review or the author's personal review of beyonce knowles?

thankfully, perhaps, i read very little about beyonce and, yes, she's always struck me as a diana ross in waiting. but here's what i find interesting: she's young, she's rich, she's attractive, and she wrote and produced the album...and yet she's also, i think it's fair to say, categorized as a bitch, as a spoiled brat by the writer, and by others doubtlessly. so why isn't she just "talented"? or "aggressive"? or "tough"? why isn't she celebrated for being a young african-american woman in charge of her career, as li'l kim was in the village voice (and possibly by the same writer)? i don't really have an answer to that but i do think it's something to think about.

fred solinger, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Of course when female artists get criticized, they deserve to be "nailed to the wall".

Diva behavior is a crime, while rock-star decadence and acting out is applauded. Lil Kim's schtick (sorry Omar!) usually falls more into the latter category, hence the critical fawning.

Nicole, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Nicole, rock star decadence is annoying as Diva behavior. But, we need to start SOMEwhere, so it is convenient to use the ol' slut/stud moral code for now. We'll change it later.

, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I think it's pretty safe to say that we will not be changing anything.

Nicole, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Oh, trust me on that one, I have just as little patience and respect for male rock-star decadence and shitty behavior as I do with the diva kind. I stopped reading "Please Kill Me" after a few chapters 'cause the non-stop selfish asshole behavior described in there was making me hate performers whose music I love.

Patrick, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Patrick, I referring to the Village Voice writer in that post. Please Kill Me certainly is irritating, I was glad to see Simon Reynolds gave it a good kicking in his article today.

Nicole, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

As president of the Beyonce fan club, I have to say that she's not *all that*, but her hair is, and her clothes are. So I guess Tina Knowles is all that. It's kinda like how Aaliyah is hardly even good looking, let alone all that, but her sophisticate look knocks me out. Beyonce's staggeringly hypocritical dogging on Nasty Girls (it comes after "Bootylicious"!) finally gives Mandy/Jessica/early Britney good Christian girl posturing a point, aesthetically. Sit down and get dressed, ho, ya ain't no diva, she might as well be saying. Hell yeah, even if it's not much song.

Of course, I love nothing so much as rock decadence.

Otis Wheeler, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Otis, you are rock decadence.

Nicole, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

they're so hot that their 'classic or dud' url is '4 sex'. obviously classic.

ethan, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

i'm with otis. on the decadence bit. i am 100% in favour of both rock-star decadence and diva bitchiness. (the bithcy part probably explains why i like morrissey and stephin merritt so much while not caring for most other indie-wienerness).

ob: i like it when dc singles come on the radio.

sundar subramanian, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

four weeks pass...
I've been always a R&B luva u know. But there new cd "Survivor" is off the hook, ya'll need to cop dat s***. So haters beware.

Shanice Williams, Thursday, 31 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I have something to say that I just realized I skipped over last night. It totally randomly came into my head while watching M2's soundtrack marathon:

Aaliyah is way better looking than Beyonce. What the hell crack are people on to call her "barely good looking"? How did I let that one slip?

Ally, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ally is on the money. Got 'Romeo Must Die' out on video on Saturday - good film I thought, and Aaliyah is indeed fit.

Tom, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think it's the "Otis Effect": he gets going on a cadence that sweeps you up and makes you nod your head and say, "YEAH! RAWK!" without noticing the one statement of complete and utter bollocks inserted into the middle.

Clearly, Otis should run President. :)

Dan Perry, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

aaliyah is way hot. like r. kelly, i was digging on that underage exposed stomach thing she had going on, wow, seven years ago. unlike r. kelly, i realized that my love was wrong.

fred solinger, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Can I take this opportunity to point out that 7 years ago you were also underaged?

Anyhow, she's easily WAY prettier than anyone in Destiny's Child, Beyonce included, who looks like someone else to me but I can't place it.

Ally, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Nicole Sherzinger of Eden's Crush, perhaps? Or someone actually famous?

Dan Perry, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Well, sort of I suppose, but I meant someone I'd seen before two minutes ago. I just don't know who.

Ally, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

you may take the opportunity, yes. it's something that i didn't realize until after i posted. still, that doesn't make my love any less wrong.

fred solinger, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I had something devestatingly funny to say, except I realized it just wasn't funny at all. So, pretend I said something hysterical here.

Back to the subject: "Bootylicious" has begun getting play on the airwaves. I love it. How do others feel?

Dan Perry, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

At least you weren't walking round telling people Aaliyah was your girlfriend or something, Fred.

As for Bootylicious, it's a good song, I like it even if it's got completely naff lyrics and I'd rather listen to Play. It's definitely one of the better tracks off the album, which I find completely unimpressive (on par with their other albums then).

Ally, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Why the de rigueur "shoulders-pinned-back-by-invisible-man" pose all these girls got (I am referring to the above link to some game show participant)? Have we gone from the "freshly laid" to the "being roughly fucked" look? At this rate the "handjob" look will be all the rage any minute now.

Re: Destiny's Child I was just listening to the "Azza Remix" of Jumpin Jumpin and it's off the hizzy! House tempo, diff. lyrics, Timba-like skitter-drum...

Tracer Hand, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm clearly more the Vice President type, which would make Ramon head honcho, and then you would all live in a fascist state. But if you think Aaliyah is better looking than Beyonce, maybe you need a dictator to tell you what to think. Aaliyah is good looking for a woman, but she's not a woman, she's a pop star, and the least a pop star can do is be something other than just good looking. Pink is way hotter than Aaliyah.

Otis Wheeler, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

That's exactly what I'm telling people from now on. "What do you call this look you've got on today?" "Well, boss, I call it the handjob look." That's so fantastic.

As for Pink, she is filthy disgusting. She looks like she has gingivitis or something making her mouth curl up perpetually. Aaliyah is smooth and sexy and exotic; Pink is a girl who works at Tower Records.

Ally, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Holding a snake does not make you exotic. I hate girls with snakes, they claim that the snake won't move from their neck, which it doesn't, until you start making out and it curls around YOUR neck and starts licking you. Fuckers. Gingivitis is totally hot. I love the girls at Tower. At their best, they have Pink's car crash appeal, where you're not sure they're attractive, but you can't take your eyes off them. Whereas, as attractive as Aaliyah is, I have no trouble taking my eyes off her, unless her outfit's really exorbitantly expensive, and then it's still not her I'm looking at.

Otis Wheeler, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

It is at this point I'd like to point out that you also can't take your eyes off the freaks in the shows at Coney Island, but I fear this is a useless point.

Never mind, as long as people keep saying Pink is hot and Aaliyah is unattractive, I know I have my shot still.

Ally, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
Hey, the writing's on the wall is crap. Suvivor (their most succesful album) is the best.

Dec, Monday, 30 September 2002 23:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

as people, they are offensive. i like their music okay.

di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 1 October 2002 03:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

six years pass...

But I'm in the freaking West End! I'm the first African-American woman to play his role in the West End!

"Don't Cry For Me Dear Beyonce..."

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 July 2009 16:24 (fourteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

can anybody hit me up w/ a decent mp3 of 2-step?

plax (ico), Monday, 24 May 2010 13:35 (thirteen years ago) link

lol @ me talking about Nicole Scherzinger 9 years ago

Have a slice of wine! (HI DERE), Monday, 24 May 2010 14:11 (thirteen years ago) link

bump for peak traffic btw

plax (ico), Monday, 24 May 2010 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link

nine months pass...

why wasn't "So Good" ever a single?

ancient, but very sexy (DJP), Friday, 18 March 2011 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link

six years pass...

Really into "girl" atm

calstars, Friday, 23 June 2017 03:48 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

It's kinda shocking how poorly their hits have aged (to my ears)! I really liked them at the time, compared to other stuff that was on the radio, but now the Timbaland-influenced production that was in style at the time just sounds so tinny and frenetic, like five games of racquetball being played in the same court. It was hearing Jumpin' Jumpin' on the radio recently in particular that made me wrinkle my nose and have whatever the opposite feeling of nostalgia is

Dan I., Monday, 29 October 2018 13:19 (five years ago) link

I kinda see what you mean but I still find most of Survivor's hits pretty cool and so are "Say My Name", "Bills"...
The difference for me is mostly that in retrospect, I find their early stuff, and many Timbaland and other production of that time, less revolutionary/groundbreaking and more a natural evolution of New Jack and early/mid 90s RnB.

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 29 October 2018 13:41 (five years ago) link

i still like most of their hits *shrug*

i may like "jumpin' jumpin'" better than i did when it was last on the radio b/c it was so overplayed back then that it had kind of soured on me

dyl, Monday, 29 October 2018 14:11 (five years ago) link


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