Jimmy Webb's Immortal "Wichita Lineman"

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Jimmy Webb's "By the Time I Get to Phoenix" is almost as good. I really like both Issac Hayes & Nick Cave's versions.

Urge O. was a pretty good cover band. Their version of "Emmaline" by Hot Chocolate is also nifty.

earlnash, Thursday, 16 January 2003 20:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

There'll be a load of compromisin'
On the way to my horizon

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 16 January 2003 21:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

what's wichita line man about anyway?

gaz (gaz), Thursday, 16 January 2003 22:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

Also Search: Optiganally Yours' cover of "Wichita Lineman"

T. Weiss (Timmy), Thursday, 16 January 2003 22:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

I came two seconds close to doing a 2 hour Witchita Lineman show for a radio station fundraiser. I think after searching for songs we decided to cut it to 1 hour and then I eventually had to give up the idea because I thought it would be overkill. Jim Nabors (Gomer Pyle) does a kickass version.

One time at this pub where Finley Quaye was playing snooker I put Witchita Lineman on the juke to play 4 times in a row, thinking if he was down he would show some pleasure. Sad to say not a single person in the pub jumped for joy on hearing the song 4 times in a row.

Carey, Thursday, 16 January 2003 23:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

Cassandra Wilson sings a nice version.

briania, Friday, 17 January 2003 00:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

I arrive back from the wilderness (well,Denmark actually) and not a moment too soon.

Wichita Lineman is the greatest song ever made and here's why:

1. The descending base intro (played by Carole Bayer Sager apparently). Well, it's just perfect isn't it? a five note orgasm of the senses.

2. The imagery. there are only 37 different words in the whole of the song, Bob Dylan never created an image as evocative as this in his whole musical career of 3 and a half billion words.

3. The poetry of the thing. It's only possible comparison is Wordsworth's "Solitary reaper" for sheer poetic beauty.

4. Martin Carr from Boo radleys, Bill Drummond from KLF/K foundation and Bob Stanley from St ettienne (3 people with impeccible taste) all agree.

It's good to be back.hi everyone.

kris england, Friday, 17 January 2003 01:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

One question I still don't know the answer to is whether the lineman works in Wichita, Kansas or around Wichita Falls, TX (Wichita County). I have lived both places.

Aaron A., Friday, 17 January 2003 01:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Search: 'Houston Lawman' by Culturcide, the best 'Witchita Lineman' cover ever

Destroy: Martin Carr

Andrew L (Andrew L), Friday, 17 January 2003 07:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

Carole *Kaye* on bass, I'd imagine.

Yep, Jimmy is God, & this is one of his best.

harveyw (harveyw), Friday, 17 January 2003 14:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

two years pass...
I arrive back from the wilderness (well,Denmark actually) and not a moment too soon.

Wichita Lineman is the greatest song ever made and here's why:

1. The descending base intro (played by Carole Bayer Sager apparently). Well, it's just perfect isn't it? a five note orgasm of the senses.

2. The imagery. there are only 37 different words in the whole of the song, Bob Dylan never created an image as evocative as this in his whole musical career of 3 and a half billion words.

3. The poetry of the thing. It's only possible comparison is Wordsworth's "Solitary reaper" for sheer poetic beauty.

4. Martin Carr from Boo radleys, Bill Drummond from KLF/K foundation and Bob Stanley from St ettienne (3 people with impeccible taste) all agree.

It's good to be back.hi everyone.

-- kris england (jimmywebbisgo...) (webmail), January 17th, 2003 1:21 AM. (link)


5. the string surges and weird break-through notes on the organ that evoke a telegraph

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 04:39 (nineteen years ago) link

this is one of the greatest songs ever written.

mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 04:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Carole Kaye is the greatest bass player known to this earth.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 04:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Freedy Johnston used to play it fairly frequently during his post-This Perfect World "residence" phase here in town.
Yup. When I saw him, that Gerard Depardieu-looking guy from the Blood Oranges did an excellent job on that bassy lead guitar part.

5. the string surges and weird break-through notes on the organ that evoke a telegraph
Songs Featuring A Guitar Lick That Sounds Like A Signal Coming Down A Telegraph Wire

Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 05:03 (nineteen years ago) link

is it really a guitar lick?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 05:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Now I'm not so sure. I thought it was trebly guitar.

what's wichita line man about anyway?
I thought it was about the guy who climbs up the telephone poles and maintains or fixes those long distance lines- the irony being that he is facilitating everybody else's phone calls while he is stuck out there all by his lonesome unable to talk to the one he loves. Or maybe he fixed train lines, or maybe he fixed telephone lines that ran in parallel to train lines.

Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 05:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I just put this on
my "country that doesn't suck"
CD for my friend

glen campbell's voice is
underrated for real though,
he nails that last note

Haibun (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 05:44 (nineteen years ago) link

The imagery. there are only 37 different words in the whole of the song

53 by my count.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 06:43 (nineteen years ago) link

...of which 44 are one-syllable words, the poet's best friend.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 06:49 (nineteen years ago) link

the saddest song ever, and one of the most beautiful ever written. I'd hate to ever hear a cover, because Glen Campbell nails it. the baritone guitar does it for me, i think, and the pick up at the end. a beautiful, beautiful song.

did you catch Belle and Sebastian's tip-of-the-hat in 'Photo Jenny'?

derrick (derrick), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 07:46 (nineteen years ago) link

i need you more than want you...

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 07:49 (nineteen years ago) link

saddest line ever.

derrick (derrick), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 07:57 (nineteen years ago) link

...and i want you for all time. greatest lyrical couplet in all popular music.

glen played his own bass on "wichita lineman."

also recommended: jimmy webb's own rendition on his solo Ten Easy Pieces album - the piano accentuates the song's hidden bill evans harmonies.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 08:01 (nineteen years ago) link

One of the greatest songs ever. Absolutely purrfekt.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 10:03 (nineteen years ago) link

6. the rolling guitar arpeggios in the verses. someone will mention the drums in a minute and then we'll have every element in the song seperately listed as a reason for its perfection!

debden, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 10:17 (nineteen years ago) link

just reading this thread and thinking about this song sends shivers down my spine. and yes, it's all to do with that "i need you more than want you" line. why is it not on my iPod? bugger.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:02 (nineteen years ago) link

yes...and the way he sings 'need a vacation' and the line about the strain....

its genius. the 'I need you' is one of the single greatest lines in western art.

who produced it? its got this golden lustre to it

Campbells voice is under rated......he sings Galveston beautifully as well. Didnt he sing/play on some Beach Boys records?

Carel Fabritius (Fabritius), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:10 (nineteen years ago) link

producer: al de lory.

campbell toured as a beach boy in '64/5 after brian dropped out of doing gigs. plays guitar on pet sounds, SMiLE passim, as well as being a spector/wall of sound regular.

brian wrote and produced glen's 1965 why-wasn't-it-a-hit "guess i'm dumb" single. glen is also the lead vocalist on "my world fell down" by sagittarius, which record had input from bruce johnstone and brian wilson (the sound FX in the middle section were originally intended for the "in the cantina" section of "heroes & villains").

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:15 (nineteen years ago) link

The version by the Scud Mountain Boys on 'Pine Box' (or 'The Early Year') is really, really lovely.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Justus Köhncke's version is pretty great too but, as derrick said, Glen Campbell's version is the one.

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:25 (nineteen years ago) link

in fact i thought Campbell's was the original til now.

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I also love the ‘I hear you singing in the wires / I can hear you through the whine’

Orange, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link

So I think it's pretty clear that all further threads about "the best song of all time" should begin with this song. I'd start a "Jimmy Webb's best songs" but that shit would eat up my whole day and yours too. As far as his concept albums, I'm partial to The Magic Garden, which he wrote and produced for the 5th Dimension, but I haven't heard them all..

Haibun (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link

also recommended: jimmy webb's own rendition on his solo Ten Easy Pieces album - the piano accentuates the song's hidden bill evans harmonies.

OTM. See also that record's version of "Galveston", which is even more of a revelation. Just try to ignore the cover snap with a barefoot Jimmy.

glen is also the lead vocalist on "my world fell down" by sagittarius, which record had input from bruce johnstone and brian wilson (the sound FX in the middle section were originally intended for the "in the cantina" section of "heroes & villains")

I believe that's a myth...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:12 (nineteen years ago) link

in fact i thought Campbell's was the original til now.

it is, isn't it? he didn't write it but i'm reasonably sure his was the first recording.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:13 (nineteen years ago) link

On the Glen Campbell version between the end of a chorus and the guitar solo, there's a chord progression with a high pitch melody.

I just realized that Bobby Lyle's "Magic Carpet Ride", a rare-groove r&B song from the 70's, totally cops that part.

pheNAM (pheNAM), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:32 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm trying to decide what i think of the webb/campbell album "reunion" (1974) right now

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never understood the appeal of this song, but I have a Lost Highway compilation where it is sung--nay, intoned, by the Man in Black himself.

You must hear it if you are a fan of Johnny Cash or of the song. I'm just sayin.

The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I think it's a good song, though I don't think I quite understand the reasoning for the hushed, reverent tone in which it is revered on this board.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

hush now!

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link

The imagery. there are only 37 different words in the whole of the song, Bob Dylan never created an image as evocative as this in his whole musical career of 3 and a half billion words

Bullshit. Anyway, since you're so concerned with how many *different* words are in the song, how many *different* words do you think Dylan used? Probably not 3 and a half billion. "It Takes a Lot To Laugh, It Takes a Train to Cry" (despite the long title) is approximately as laconic as this song and is at least as effective, as far as I'm concerned.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:27 (nineteen years ago) link

the hushed, reverent tone
Are we really being hushed and reverent, or are we just enjoying the shared discovery of a heretofore obscured classic?

Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, some of the tributes being paid to this song upthread verge on the hyperbolic. I mean is it really the greatest song of all time? Yes, it does a lot with a little. The image is effective and original. It tells you just enough to give you a flavor for the guy's feeling but leaves a lot of things shrouded in enigma - for instance, who is the "you" that the song is addressed to? Is it a current lover, a past lover, the object of an unrequited love, is she dead? We really have no clue - which makes the meaning of the song a bit diffuse and gnomic. All we get is the sense of the dutiful working guy out on the roads feeling lonely and thinking of a woman. There are countless classic songs with similar themes of loneliness, desire, and separation: "Solitude", "I Cover the Waterfront", "Visions of Johanna" - to me, to say that this one is unquestionably the best without a little more to back it up just seems a bit premature.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Was it heretofore obscured?

Campbell's version was pretty ubiquitous on even top 40 radio circa 1979.

The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Its classicity was obscured.

Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:49 (nineteen years ago) link

its genius. the 'I need you' is one of the single greatest lines in western art

To be honest, this line kind of bugs me. If he "needs" her more than "wants" her, then why in the very next line does he say "and I want you for all time" - there's the "want" again - didn't he just say he "needs" her more than "wants" her? - so why doesn't he say he "needs" her for all time? Because it would sound weird, I guess. How could you "need" someone for all time? But still, it's clumsy.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link

if he needs her more than he wants her, and he wants her for all time, then he needs her THAT MUCH MORE. simple as that, not clumsy.

and you're seriously saying that a song needs to be specific to be good? because that would leave a lot of dylan, esp. 'visions of johanna,' right out on the doorstep.

i never said this was THE greatest song of all time. but it must be considered. 'visions' is good but not on the same level methinks.

Haibun (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 17:30 (nineteen years ago) link

It's not remotely clumsy - it's the same construction as saying, "It's more tragic than comic, and it's *very* comic." A is greater than B and B is HUGE.

xpost

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

It's a great song about a guy who repairs telephone lines when it's cold outside. I always heard it as a song about work, you know, having to work outside when it's cold, and he's missing his girl or whatever.

I like "Galveston" almost as much. Campbell's vocal on "WL" is very subtle, actually, listen to the inflection on the word "still." That's great singing, it sounds so simple but it's not.

Many people complain about the Al De Lory strings on this song and others. I think "WL" just about defines good countrypolitan music, myself, it's incredibly listenable, smooth yet it's real. Glen's country--the way he says "want" as "wont." I have no trouble with anyone who says this is one the finest songs of all time, none at all.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 17:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Obviously the best song ever written. Maria McKee does a particularly haunting version of it.

Everything You Like Sucks, Friday, 29 June 2012 19:34 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

well shit

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 27 July 2013 00:45 (ten years ago) link

damn, Glen's people are fast!

Love this one. Looks like Glen is on some other planet with a 6-string bass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qoymGCDYzU

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 27 July 2013 00:48 (ten years ago) link

(and one of my favorite covers of it)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPGPDFHbVjk

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 27 July 2013 00:49 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nFYK5IGDUY

pplains, Saturday, 27 July 2013 02:11 (ten years ago) link

i'm currently working out a cover of this for my cabaret project.

hannah arendt you glad you didn't say banana (get bent), Saturday, 27 July 2013 02:56 (ten years ago) link

Love this one. Looks like Glen is on some other planet with a 6-string bass.

That's the Jaguar Baritone guitar.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 27 July 2013 05:19 (ten years ago) link

Baritone guitar suggestions?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 27 July 2013 05:19 (ten years ago) link

That's the Jaguar Baritone guitar.

Nope. It's a Bass VI - three pickups instead of the two on the Jag baritone. More to the point, Jag baritones weren't made until 2004.

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 27 July 2013 05:43 (ten years ago) link

(from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fender_Bass_VI ) - "Glen Campbell used a Fender Bass VI (borrowed from fellow Wrecking Crew musician Carol Kaye to play the solo heard on his songs "Wichita Lineman" and "Galveston"."

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 27 July 2013 05:45 (ten years ago) link

http://www.americansongwriter.com/2012/01/behind-the-song-wichita-lineman/

“He and (producer) Al DeLory were obviously looking for a follow-up to ‘Phoenix.’ And I remember writing ‘Wichita Lineman’ that afternoon. That was a song I absolutely wrote for Glen.”

It was the first time he had written a song expressly for another artist. But had he conceived any part of “Wichita” before that call?

“Not really,” Jimmy says. “I mean I had a lot of ‘prairie gothic’ images in my head. And I was writing about the common man, the blue-collar hero who gets caught up in the tides of war, as in ‘Galveston,’ or the guy who’s driving back to Oklahoma because he can’t afford a plane ticket (‘Phoenix’). So it was a character that I worked with in my head. And I had seen a lot of panoramas of highways and guys up on telephone wires … I didn’t want to write another song about a town, but something that would be in the ballpark for him.”

So even though it was written specifically for Glen, he still wanted it to be a ‘character’ song?

“Well, I didn’t want it to be about a rich guy!” he laughs. “I wanted it to be about an ordinary fellow. Billy Joel came pretty close one time when he said ‘Wichita Lineman’ is ‘a simple song about an ordinary man thinking extraordinary thoughts.’ That got to me; it actually brought tears to my eyes. I had never really told anybody how close to the truth that was.

“What I was really trying to say was, you can see someone working in construction or working in a field, a migrant worker or a truck driver, and you may think you know what’s going on inside him, but you don’t. You can’t assume that just because someone’s in a menial job that they don’t have dreams … or extraordinary concepts going around in their head, like ‘I need you more than want you; and I want you for all time.’ You can’t assume that a man isn’t a poet. And that’s really what the song is about.”

He wasn’t certain they would go for it. “In fact, I thought they hadn’t gone for it,” he says. “They kept calling me back every couple of hours and asking if it was finished. I really didn’t have the last verse written. And finally I said, ‘Well, I’m gonna send it over, and if you want me to finish it, I’ll finish it.’

“A few weeks later I was talking to Glen, and I said, ‘Well I guess Wichita Lineman didn’t make the cut.’ And Glen said, ‘Oh yeah! We recorded that!’ And I said, ‘Listen, I didn’t really think that song was finished …’ And he said, ‘Well it is now!’”

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 27 July 2013 05:53 (ten years ago) link

Stop killing my dreams man.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 27 July 2013 06:06 (ten years ago) link

That is most likely the Bass VI heard all over Pet Sounds and Smile if that's Carole's.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 27 July 2013 06:07 (ten years ago) link

Nope. She played a regular P-bass throughout the Wrecking Crew years - only real non-standardness being flat-wound strings and playing with a pick.

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 27 July 2013 06:52 (ten years ago) link

Does anyone have a Spotify J Webb performed by others playlist for the novice?

Thelema & Louise (Jon Lewis), Saturday, 27 July 2013 18:48 (ten years ago) link

Nope. She played a regular P-bass throughout the Wrecking Crew years - only real non-standardness being flat-wound strings and playing with a pick.

Surely she played guitar and baritone guitar on sessions as well.

Orpheus in Hull (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 July 2013 19:19 (ten years ago) link

The lyrical interpretation earlier in this thread was pretty eye-opening; I always figured "And if it snows that that stretch down south won't ever stand the strain" meant "If she freezes me out, these blue balls are gonna kill me."

Hideous Lump, Saturday, 27 July 2013 20:26 (ten years ago) link

some weapons-grade challopery up in this thread

Mancunian stagger (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 27 July 2013 20:42 (ten years ago) link

The version he did on Jools in 2008 was pretty amazing. Stay for the "fine" at the very end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMFOnpT9RkQ

that's not my post, Sunday, 28 July 2013 05:01 (ten years ago) link

Glen Campbell still a pretty damn good guitar player at age 72 in that clip. Lot of guys in a group setting like that would have just sang the tune and left someone in the ensemble to do all of those fills from the original arrangement.

earlnash, Sunday, 28 July 2013 22:07 (ten years ago) link

OTM. Was just telling James Redd, Sr. something to that effect.

Orpheus in Hull (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 July 2013 23:07 (ten years ago) link

that's great, as is the weird Forbidden Planet alien world studio one.

That Simpsons bit where Homer's going through his records with the implication that they're terrible and Glen Campbell is one of them bothers me beyond reason.

Fanois och Alexander (Merdeyeux), Monday, 29 July 2013 01:13 (ten years ago) link

http://sadyoutube.com/post/52276658436/this-song-makes-me-cry-my-dad-was-a-truck

I am never clicking through to read this, because "My dad was a truck" is perfect enough without seeing the rest of the sentence.

Here's the storify, of a lovely ladify (Phil D.), Monday, 29 July 2013 01:23 (ten years ago) link

three years pass...
three years pass...

people on this thread dissing Reunion.... my god. you sick people. was super happy to tell Webb how much i loved it when i caught him live.

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 16:47 (three years ago) link

Crazy. That album's great but I wish they hadn't done that Lowell George song. He's got a habit of doing pointless covers though, like the crap Beatles cover on "The Magic Garden".

Young Boys of Bernie (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 17:48 (three years ago) link


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