Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

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q was awesome, yeah, but just because he made fun of picard. the whole concept was ripped off from that original series episode with the godlike alien who turns out to be just a spoiled kid, and that storyline is better than anything that ever had q in it anyway.

ethan, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Does knowing the difference between a trekker and a trekkie and then claiming you're a trekker instantly make you a trekkie?

I remembered TNG being great when I was 12, but I watched a few of them more recently and they were AWFUL, even the later ones. I think I might have quite liked Deep Space Nine later on, when they started having season-long story arcs, but I never saw enough of them to make sense of what was going on.

John Davey, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

everyone likes ricardo montalban, no?

gareth, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

D U D!

How come most of the crew are American yet NONE of them are chronically obese? (except Scotty who's - ahem - ""Scottish"")

In the 60s it was a bizarre mix of US military 'might is right' fascism and Hippy-dippy, 'why can't all nations hold hands?' idealism (though still managing to be sexist ~ Uhura the Captains secretary and Yoaman Rand (is that right) the Captains bit of [onboard] fluff. AND THATS IT SISTERS!)

It should have ended there as it ran out of ideas and people stopped watching it. But OH NO, they had to bring it back in the 80s with over-long, plodding bore-a-thon 'Next Generation' episodes that tapped into the touchy-feely / inner-child / New-Age nonsense that was on the go at the time. I mean - Counsellor Troi = WHY? She even sits on the bridge next to the Captain!! the message is in the 25th Century a bloody social worker is one of the most important jobs on a space ship.

But it was all so clinical and corperate and soul-less, advocating Pro-conformity and how you should be a good citizen. And too much sanctimonious liberal finger-wagging for my liking.

And it starred Whoopi Goldberg.

And how come all the baddies end up as the Federation's (UGH!) freind, taking tokenistic jobs as Navigators etc?

And why was it always so fucking BORING?

D*A*V*I*D*M, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

star trek. sanctimonious. surely not? heh heh heh

gareth, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Voyager totally kicks the ass of *all* previous incarnations. Because Voyager slash fiction features 7of9, who iz meh on- screen, sexwise, but as a conceptual device in print iz rowr

mark s, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

What is the point of Riker? What the hell is his 'schtick'?

dave q, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The point of Riker was to dilute the Wesley Hatred. This plan backfired when Wesley left and Riker grew a smug beard, turning him into one of the worst things ever. I kept hoping that he and Troi would get sucked into a black hole.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I could tolerate Troi's psychobabble only because of her cleavage. And her ass. Other than that, she was useless.

Another Star Trek I had over the other incarnations -- BETTER BACKGROUND MUSIC! Esp. that duh-dum-duh-dum-DUH-DUM-duh-dum theme whenever Kirk's ass was in deep ship.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I second the post about Troi's assets! The 'psychobabble' thing was hilarious - somebody's biting their nails quickly and their eyes are darting around the room, and Troi's insight is, "He is obviously nervous and anxious about something."

dave q, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

orig.Star Trek composer = v.influenced by Varese... hey, like someone else TS has a tatse for, methinks?

mark s, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

My problem is that I never thought Troi was all that attractive. I mean, Dr. Crusher had more going for her on a purely physical level, IMO, and she wasn't saddled with blurting out painfully obvious lines that inadvertantly made the rest of the crew seem retarded for not being able to pick up on obvious visual cues.

On the other hand, Troi's mother was AWESOME.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

dan, you're scaring me now.

gareth, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Troi's Mom more attractive than Troi? Dan, you really are the Evil Clown ;-)

And the original ST's music was Varese-influenced, hey? Hmmmm ... never knew that! Maybe I should go over to that "Who Opened Your Ears" thread in ILM and change an answer or two of mine :-)

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

NONONONONONO!

Troi's mom was cooler than Troi, not more attractive! Aigh, my eyes!

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Trying to advance the human race through space diplomacy... until they kill all the people [aliens] at the end of the episode/movie. At least Star Wars was honest.

JM, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Why, Dan, why can't you admit that you've got some love of the grey in you? Before Joei came along, I'm sure you were searching for your own Mrs. Robinson for after-school lessons...

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

star wars, honest? it makes no fuckin sense. darth vader tells luke that if he strikes out against him in anger then he will become just like him, and then luke strikes out in anger, and then he wins and everyone's happy? that whole movie is shit anyway because george lucas had an INFINITE fucking pool of ideas to choose from and a huge budget to carry it out, and what does he do? ANOTHER death star and ANOTHER darth/luke lightsaber battle. fuck george lucas, the only good one was empire strikes back and he didn't direct that.

troi: not attractive.

crusher: nuh-uh.

troi's mom: uh.

that guy who was troi's mom's butler or something and was the guy who played lurch in the addams family movies: mrowr.

question: who liked first contact? it was like a next generation episode, only like, cool. plus, supercool supporting cast with alfre woodard and the farmer guy from babe.

someone start a star wars thread so i can bitch about how much that sucks except for empire strikes back.

ethan, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Ethan:
1) There already is a Star Wars thread, it should be in the 'films' category, though it might be under 'culture', not sure.
2) First Contact was wicked at the cinema, but overall I found it a bit disappointing they had to spend the middle part of the film trying to make it like 'Aliens'.

DG, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the way the guys in the red shirts who form part of the away team with the main characters always get killed. Original series only for me, Dr McCoy is great! I wish I could be more like Spock.

james e l, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah, this is great, I was expecting to be beaten about the head by fans of TNG...the original series rules!

DG, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm glad they tried to make the middle of it like aliens. aliens was wicked. anything that makes next generation have more explosions and blood is good.

hey i just remembered something else i liked in next generation, although it's from that bastard movie where kirk dies (falling off a walkway! the fuck? he's saved the universe like two hundred times and he falls of a walkway and dies? fuck). um anyway, i liked when data said 'shit'.

ethan, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Counsellor Trios ass and tits were ok, but that nose ruined all. Still I bet Riker would often chuckle with Warf about how if she had a abg over her head he'd do her, and then Warf would probaby say "Yeah, and her fore head isnt bumpy enough". There was an episode when the crew was all morphin ginto prehistoric froms of themselves and Warf came on to Trio by saying "GET OUT OF THAT BATH! " and biting her. Not very romantic, those Vulcans.

Mike Hanley, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Riker and Picard are both closeted fags ( in trek and IRL)

anthony, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

THey didn't seem to be too closeted to me. PIcard always strutted about like a flamboyant ass -peacock in heat.

Mike Hanle y, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
I kinda like Enterprise, especially that superflous shower scene in the first epidode. And the 80's power ballad theme tune is great.

jel --, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Jel, are you on Klingon Krack? That is the worst theme song ever ever ever!

Andrew L, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Andrew said it all. Jel, you have given way to insanity.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Riker was surely a weak attempt at a Kirk junior. Troi was hilarious. On the viewscreen appears some sweaty guy with his clothes torn and blood running down one shoulder, screaming in the background, phaser blasts zooming past his ears saying "No, no, everything is fine. DON'T BRING ANY WEAPONS WHEN YOU BEAM DOWN!" and she says "Captain - I sense he may not be telling us the whole truth".

Andrew L has not mentioned his great expertness in this area, for some reason. I know about it because I very briefly worked under him on a Star Trek magazine!

Martin Skidmore, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Nope, the theme tune is definetely great. Sort of like all those brilliant power ballads that were number one in the 1980's. Anyway, the new captain is about to probe a planet...

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Another new euphemism! But you're still insane, Jel.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I saw an episode of Enterprise that featured a lacrosse game on a desert planet played in slow motion. I felt like I was watching an extended Abercrombie and Fitch ad.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I hated TNG - data,wesley and riker's beardless phases espesh. voyager had that one cool story about that temporal ship, DS9 was mostly good - playing up the existence of factions within cultures/races - the plot arc better than that on the later Babylon5.

Enterprise - trip is annoying but that vulcan's fit.

s.r.w. (s.r.w.), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

today is actually the first time I got around to watching a full episode of enterprise and its not bad in a back-to-basics way but please drop the theme tune please (I didn't watch any becuz I was in canada and I ddin't watch any telly for 3 months apart from world cup).

first series: like what i haf seen but haven't watched many episodes.

Next generation: only reached goodeness after the Borg came in the picture.

Deep space nine: deeply flawed (a space station in the middle of nowhere and they had to make a war to make it interesting so it had problems just like next generation) though I did watch most of it.

Voyager: the absolute fucking classic. They are stranded and haf to go back but they explore the other side of the quadrant which means all sorts of storylines, (this aspect is exploited to the full) and if that isn't enough then here are the words that settle this argument.

SEVEN OF NINE.

The woman of my dreams (Troi is an ugly witch compared to my seven). She's like Data (both trying to gain 'humanity') but she's a woman. And what a woman. Then the doctor who i think is rilly rilly funny too.

I was pissed off that my brother missed taping two episodes and I made him aware of that to say the least(only six were taped, I had to spend all night watching them on the day i got back from canada and it was time well spent though seven is breaking my heart trying to 'get' chakotay).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

The original series had those cool mini-skirt uniforms, beehive hair styles, & Klingons as thinly disguised Cold war-era Russians. What's not to like?

(Fun fact: The student services building at my school is called the William Shatner building & even has the Shatner Ballroom. Classic!)

Miss Laura, Thursday, 22 August 2002 08:17 (seventeen years ago) link

students, what will they think of next? the little rascals.

angela, Thursday, 22 August 2002 08:49 (seventeen years ago) link

julio: "why you little **** you forgot to tape two episodes"

julio's brother: "quit yer whining improv-boy, i taped seven of nine" (or it may be "13 of 15 etc etc")


DO YOU SEE!!?

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 22 August 2002 10:03 (seventeen years ago) link

i never really got into star trek, but archer is best. because he's scott bakula. and scott bakula is yum.

g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 22 August 2002 10:22 (seventeen years ago) link

''julio's brother: "quit yer whining improv-boy, i taped seven of nine"''

heh. Alex (my brother's name) would never say 'improv' as he doesn't know what that is. or wants to know.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 22 August 2002 10:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Has anyone yet mentioned the "Even Star Trek films good, odd Star Trek films pants" theory?

Good: Wrath Of Khan, The Voyage Home (time travel, whales), The Undiscovered Country (Peace with the Klingons), First Contact (The Borg hit Earth), hopefully Nemesis

Bad: Star Trek: the Motionless Picture, The Search For Spock, The Final Frontier (Crazy Vulcan searches for God), Generations (Malcom MacDowell froths, Kirk dies), Insurrections (not that terrible, just a double length TNG episode).

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 22 August 2002 10:51 (seventeen years ago) link

hopefully Nemesis

Having finally seen the trailer, my hopes for the film are now quite high.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:08 (seventeen years ago) link

My sweetie was excited about the new movie, but then he heard Wil Wheaton was goint to be in it and was massively disapointed. It was funny...

Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Wil Wheaton was going to be in it

ARGH. Now I'm massively disappointed as well!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link

nah i'm pretty sure Wesley got left on the cutting room floor... there was an Empire article about this but their website is currently down, so can't check. i'm pretty sure tho like i say.

katie (katie), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:43 (seventeen years ago) link


The world, including the acting world, is full of beautiful women. Presumably if you're making a high-profile TV SF show, it's not hard to get some beautiful women to appear in it.

So while I can see the intrinsic appeal of the attractiveness of the women in late STrek progs, I can't see it as a tribute to the imagination, skill and integrity of the programme makers.

the pinefox, Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:49 (seventeen years ago) link

nah i'm pretty sure Wesley got left on the cutting room floor...

There is hope left in this sad world.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:50 (seventeen years ago) link

SPOILER ALERT!!

Riker and Troi get married in the new movie...

Andrew L (Andrew L), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:50 (seventeen years ago) link

So I heard. About damn time!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:54 (seventeen years ago) link

It'll be pointless without Wil Wheaton. Hehe!

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 22 August 2002 15:16 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...
Well, all I have to say is that due to some oddball local film fest thing at a theater near here every Wednesday night for summer, they're showing a mixed bag of modern classics and cultish films and all, and tonight was one of the three or four Trek films they're doing, and it was Wrath of Khan, the only one which I never actually saw in the theater on first release. Went with my coworker and Shatner obsessive Tom as well as a slew of friends in the area, lousy print, had a great time anyway.

And of course:

http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~pg02/khan.png

"KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNN!!!!!!"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 August 2004 05:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Watching Mrs. Redd watch TNG and Seymour Cassel just showed up as a guest star of some sort.

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 9 May 2020 00:36 (two months ago) link

Some kind of benign Charlie X episode, it seems.

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 9 May 2020 00:41 (two months ago) link

Also, sorry if I’m late to the game, but what’s with Counselor Troi’s accent?

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 9 May 2020 00:44 (two months ago) link

I don't think she changed her natural voice...

Nhex, Saturday, 9 May 2020 00:53 (two months ago) link

Also, why doesn't Worf's name start with a 'K'?

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 9 May 2020 00:56 (two months ago) link

I just looked up the thing about Troi. She claims her speech was based on an Israeli friend, however her parents are Greek, which is what her character sounds like, and she grew up in London and actually has a Cockney accent.

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 9 May 2020 01:02 (two months ago) link

it is a silent k

kworf

j., Saturday, 9 May 2020 01:21 (two months ago) link

Not so much cockney as Tottenham, which is where Marina Sirtis grew up I think, sorry 'fink'.

zoom séance goes tits up (Matt #2), Saturday, 9 May 2020 08:46 (two months ago) link

watched some interviews. dang, i honestly didn't notice until now. though i guess her Troi voice does sound.. vaguely Gal Godot-ish

Nhex, Saturday, 9 May 2020 08:53 (two months ago) link

I always assumed she was trying to do some kind of variation of her parents' Greek accent, didn't know it was supposed to be Israeli.

Tuomas, Monday, 11 May 2020 12:12 (two months ago) link

Classic episode on right now, as some radiation, or somethin', turns Kirk, McCoy, Scotty and even Spock into doddery crotchety old geezers shuffling about forgetting what they just said.

https://i0.wp.com/www.tor.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/st-deadly25.jpg

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Friday, 22 May 2020 09:24 (one month ago) link

Part of the aging process being McCoy's accent getting more and more Southern.

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Friday, 22 May 2020 09:28 (one month ago) link

Does that still work in the 23rd century though?

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Friday, 22 May 2020 12:20 (one month ago) link

pretty sure mccoy's got more southern because after he retired he would have spent more time drinking mint juleps on the veranda

j., Friday, 22 May 2020 13:46 (one month ago) link

Ha

Spocks on the Run (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 22 May 2020 13:49 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz1c1xdoUFc

DJI, Wednesday, 10 June 2020 20:20 (one month ago) link

I like how Patrick Stewart de-emphasizes it most of the time.

wasdnous (abanana), Saturday, 13 June 2020 16:05 (one month ago) link

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personally i always thought the one where spock mind-melds with the horta was super culturally impactful

j., Wednesday, 17 June 2020 16:42 (four weeks ago) link

Devil in the Dark would be on my list, too.

Millsner, Friday, 19 June 2020 11:59 (three weeks ago) link

I think at some point I'll order CBS for a month and binge all the ST content at once.

DJI, Thursday, 2 July 2020 20:49 (one week ago) link

it takes a lot longer than a month to do them all

j., Thursday, 2 July 2020 20:51 (one week ago) link

did they really need to name their sitcom after my favorite tng episode

wasdnous (abanana), Thursday, 2 July 2020 22:16 (one week ago) link

And now the trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3RkBKedKWw

I loled in a few places, I'll admit.

AxoLOLtl (Leee), Monday, 13 July 2020 20:52 (two days ago) link

patrick stewart is 80 today

mookieproof, Monday, 13 July 2020 20:55 (two days ago) link

so there's a guy on youtube who made a trilogy of three hour long star trek videos, voiced entirely by himself, and they all feature holodeck scenes in his meticulous recreations of price is right sets pic.twitter.com/iFT4vxhsfI

— cuggy (@frknbns) July 12, 2020

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Monday, 13 July 2020 20:56 (two days ago) link

Wow. I couldn’t locate the full length videos.

Isolde mein Herz zum Junker (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 13 July 2020 21:43 (two days ago) link

here's the first one, from the twitter thread
https://youtu.be/sGZDwzphAbQ

wasdnous (abanana), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 01:59 (yesterday) link


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