S&D: Most gratutitous uses of hip-hop culture as windowdressing.

As is often lamented on the Killing Joke list, Jaz Coleman roped in a rapper named JC001 (purportedly his cousin) to supply a rap on the extended mix of the already deplorable "Stay One Jump Ahead" off the universally derided 1988 album, OUTSIDE THE GATE (Killng Joke's justifiably forgotten CUT THE CRAP, if you will). All stripes of sentient creation wept at the atrocity, as both the legacy of Killing Joke and the dignity of the genre of Hip Hop suffered an indelible tarnish.

Who cares anyway? In most anyplace in this world, hip-hop "culture" is windowdressing, aside from the Bronx and Brooklyn.

Get thee to MTV Jams and wait for 'em to show the video for Ms. Jade's "Big Head".

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Note: For the purposes of this post, Park Slope, Williamsburg, Carroll Gardens, Borrum Hill, Bay Ridge, DUMBO and Cobble Hill should not be considered Brooklyn.

Also, Brighton Beach be bangin'.

Hear-Here! This goes for most rock bands that incoporate token scratching that you can hear (that is, if you already had not changed the channel).

I'd also add those "Hip-Hop Superstores" of so-called "Hip-Hop clothing" in the malls, and random vocal samples in many electronic(a) songs ala "Get Busy Child".

i do not understand this sentence. i've read many strange things on ilm, but this is one of the strangest (i'm not criticisizing, i just cannot fathom what this actually means)

When the best thing on it is the trance act you have problems

mind you, i'm not entirely sure what this is about either

I guess my point was, that at this point in history, hip hop (and esp. its "culture," whatever the fuck that is; nobody talks about "culture" in relation to any other type of music, unless it's music from a culture i.e. ethnographic music) has spread so rapidly across the globe (and esp. across the USA) that it no longer can mean anything closely related to what it was. When it became the best-selling genre of music in the USA, who cares who appropriates some weird trope of it, from Hanson (yeah, "Mmmmbop" had scratches) or nu-metal "rapping?"

When Mr. P. Diddy can sell clothing in shopping malls in Iowa, who cares about some washed-up rocker using breakdancers in a video twenty years ago? Hip hop culture isn't in opposition to American culture at large, it is American culture.

And the comment about the Bronx and Brooklyn was more wishful thinking than anything, since those were the places where hip hop originated and flowered.

How is hip-hop not 'music from a culture'?

Are you born "hip-hop" as opposed to being born, say, Serbian?