What's up with hating on the Doors?

I mean what? Why? I'm sure this is not the Door's fault but for some reason they, more than the Beatles or even Pink Floyd stick out as the band that "that kind of moron" liked.

(I don't think you're a moron Dare!) I think instead of listening to the classic rock fans I used to read the NME and buy things they gave good reviews to when I was 15 or 16. I think this is better because there was a stronger chance of me not deciding I liked the band when the pressure to conform was because of the NME's recommendation and not years of acclaim and millions of fans and some fantastic heritage.

When me and Sean met up briefly yesterday this is just the thing he was talking abt. the fans (though Jim's vocals and his 'muse' came into it too).

I liked the first alb. just fine and, thinking abt the fans, i suppose it's kinds the same in britain with the stone roses and to a certain extent the smiths, too. And i suppose the music isn't strong enough to get over all of that extra non-musical baggage that you get here (apart fromt he smiths).

Now I think that's because they feel a bit out of date, but I wonder if at the time it was more a sense of frustration that I was a geeky virgin and Jim was a sexually magnetic rock god and what's more sang as if everyone listening knew it (which they did).

This is just the thing Sean was talking abt too yesterday (don't if he listened when he was 14).

OK, so I don't retain lyrics in my memory. But i wanted to ask is why ppl keep going on abt vocals, especially if you like punk rock (I don't know if you do Tom). Some punk bands sung their stuff badly (or they didn't pay especial attention to it) and yet a lot of ppl will like it. Surely it can't be that big an issue nowdays?

or something

But can you do anyhting with the voice if you haven't got the technical capailities? You can't, all you can do is recognise taht there is a limitation and take it from there. Which is what morrison did.

They both have their pleasures -- it's just that I like them both when they're at their most florid.

Julio - I don't agree. Some areas of vocalising don't need as much technical singing ability - especially those areas which approach speech.

Incidentally, I was trying in my head to remember what the Doors sound like, and all I can come up with is Will Young singing 'Light My Fire'!! Signs of the Times...

well, I don't think you just talk through the lyrics of 'The end' can you? Those require that you sing them and he does a good job of it (and those lyrics are funny by the way though I don't register everything he says).

i have this problem with the fact that some of you think they were serious and pretentious: if you look at that first alb. there's quite a lot of humour injected in some of the tunes I think. Morrison was 'ambitious' I suppose but what's wrong with that?

if you do that then you are just as bad as those wankers you talked abt.

the doors = the stooges it is ok to like, julio

will young has 20 gazillion time the technique morrison had: so is that a good thing or a bad thing?

''the doors = the stooges it is ok to like, julio''

Again, I never said i didn't like the stooges. THATS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING MARK S. all i said is that as an experiment in combining the rock with the jazz it failed (and that's funhouse).

I don't go by things that are 'OK to like' (music journalists seem to think they dictate such things but they are very lucky since their readership is very young). The doors are quite a good rock band, just like the stooges. What i don't understand is the problem with Jim's vocals, and their 'pretentiousness', etc. The fact is their first alb gets the OK in the Desouza household.

''will young has 20 gazillion time the technique morrison had: so is that a good thing or a bad thing?''

Why do you ask a question when you already know the answer to?

the stooges funhouse= success in terms of incorporating free jazz ideas into rock. a keystone.

this is just the sort of thing that makes me CRAZY!

Echo and the bunnymen were influenced by the doors! How strange.

early Swans had a clear Stooges influence and i rilly prefer listening to swans rather than funhouse.

you can really see through the bullshit only when you see a band live that is true (well, most of the time). Suggest a live comp please?

More to the point, the comparison twixt Doors and Echo has been made, and while I don't see it either, I'm not justifying it with all this rigamorale about who was more influential or the like. All I need to know is what I hear.

I almost bought a Doors album tonight cos I wonder if I would like them now - it's been so long. I really really love a lot of 60s American music, though not so much the West Coast psych stuff...but you never know.

U2 suffer from the same problem. Except they don't have a keyboard player.

I thought I told you to turn the bloody Doors off.

yes, i think i neither like nor dislike the doors, but i kind of like this element

john harris' pieces are all kind of the same. "that zappa eh, he was a bit rubbish", um, you're going to make a whole article out of that? ok, if you like

as said above, the doors are an odd target in their stock isnt exactly high these days

Exactly. They'd be almost as good as the Seeds!

weirdly, the seeds stock isnt that high either, and they're like the best band in the world!

the true geniuses - Lennon, Dylan, Tom from Kasabian

- they didn't have a bass player
- they did that song "The End"
- a lot of people worship Jim Morrison as some kind of "totally deep poet, maaaaaaaan"

You can see how, based on this knowledge, I would think they were the worst group in the history of music. But then one day, I accidentally stumbled into a free show by a Doors cover band, and -- wonder of wonders -- it was actually pretty fun, rockin' music! Still haven't bought any albums, but it made me realize that maybe this was just another case of douchebag fans making good music look bad (cf. Pitchfork Kid A review that made me want to never listen to music again)

did jim morrison even inflict any of his (non-musical) poetry on the public before he died?

Wasn't he focusing primarily on poetry when he was in Paris?

Wiki says An American Prayer was recorded during a 1970 "poetry session".

After Morrison's death, Iggy was considered as a replacement for Morrison; the surviving Doors gave Iggy some of Morrison's belongings, and hired him as a vocalist for a series of shows.

News to me!

Sorry but Roadhouse is so good

let it roll baby

This band won me over in the end - sure, not everything they did was great, but their best stuff was truly wonderful.

. Fine. I won't hate the Doors.

I only lke listening to three Doors songs: peace frog, riders on the storm and crystal ship, mainly because I love the basslines in them. None of those are in that list :(

I know “light my fire” and “the end” are two of their most emblematic songs but they bore me so much, I can’t even think about them without feeling slightly bored. They’re boring in a dreadful kind of way.

Nile Rodgers picked "The End" as his #1 Desert Island Disc for the BBC, which genuinely surprised me. He was having some kind of formative LSD experience the first time he heard it.

Even snoring has the potential to sound interesting on LSD though.

And there is another point. No matter how spoiled, vengeful or self-indulgent any supposedly titanic talent may be, the true geniuses - Lennon, Dylan, Tom from Kasabian - always exhibit some thread of empathetic humanity

i couldn't remember who kasabian were so i googled them and discovered that they are, in fact, the band that has been "described as a mix between The Stone Roses and Primal Scream with the swagger of Oasis."

the Doors are so great

ventured into barnes and noble yesterday. they had this in the racks. pricetag? $21.99.

fucking lol

Even in my most enthusiastic Doors phase Light My Fire has always bored me. Strange Days is a good album and I still smile whenever LA Woman comes on.

they were so audacious in every sense of the word, so incredibly ridiculous and sometimes beautiful and terrible and amazing and lame, the whole idea of the Doors seems like it never should have existed, psychedelic questers and low barroom drunks, proggy organ jackoffs and frustrated jazz welded to hard L.A. sleaze, bad poetry and funky drums and how many bands even risked half as much?

Doing a Doors deep dive at the moment and can I just say how much I absolutely HATE how nowadays they’ve shoehorned in the “missing” vocals in “Break On Through”? “Everybody loves my baby, she get HIGH… she get HIGH… she get HIGH yeaaaahhh”. There is no way in hell those are from the same vocal take. Also fuck all these “anniversary remixes” and “Light My Fire” sped up to “correct speed” bullshit. Buy the original records or the 1988 CDs or gtfo.

Light My Fire is a terrible song

I once accepted a free ticket to see the Doors of the 21st Century with Ian Astbury on vocals, it was unbearable and I had to leave before the encore which was clearly gonna be Riders on the Storm into Light My Fire and I would have died

The best thing about that show was that Asbury gave an interview in local street press (maybe same interview everywhere, I dunno) where he said Jim Morrison came to him in a dream and said it was cool to do the schtick but he wasn’t allowed to sing The End

listening to LA woman recently and having fun imaging Ian Curtis singing it … “city at night - city at night!”

Yes

I like the sound of the DCC Compact Classics reissues for the self-titled and L.A. Woman. Tube mastering, and yes, just as they were originally released (no remixes or flying in those additional bits).

But reservations still remain. I can't listen to "The End" all the way through with a straight face. Best cover ever comes at the end of this sketch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqPB1NlM4ew

love it

looool I had never seen that sketch.

I have the vinyl box that came out 15 years ago or whatever, sounds fine to me. It has both stereo and mono versions of the s/t