― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 18 March 2005 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link
"Edge of Seventeen" and "Stop Draggin' My Heart Around" propel her solo career into teh classy.
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 18 March 2005 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 18 March 2005 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― blissblogga, Friday, 18 March 2005 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link
no, no, she said the bathroom is where she did her best lines.
― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Friday, 18 March 2005 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 18 March 2005 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link
Dave Q started a thread about "Stand Back" recently.Oh, one more thing,
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(yet another example of Don Henley's best work coming after the Eagles)
― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 18 March 2005 19:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Friday, 18 March 2005 19:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 18 March 2005 20:05 (nineteen years ago) link
Generally, yes. But I'll take "Talk to Me" or "Stand Back" or "Rooms on Fire' over "That's Alright," "Sisters of the Moon," or "Welcome to the Room, Sara".
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 18 March 2005 20:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jeff Wright (JeffW1858), Friday, 18 March 2005 22:25 (nineteen years ago) link
(also that comment about her needing LB's arrangements upthread is wrong cuz LB would never have realized "stand back" ought to sound like a prince tune)
― jones (actual), Friday, 18 March 2005 22:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 18 March 2005 22:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― jones (actual), Friday, 18 March 2005 22:55 (nineteen years ago) link
This song would have greatly benefitted from a Bonnie Tyler and Eddie Money treatment rather than Don Henley mewling "Sometimes I'm a strong man/Sometimes cold and scared/And sometimes I cry." Yeah sometimes I cry too Don, usually when I'm listening to one of your solo tunes.
― zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Friday, 18 March 2005 23:17 (nineteen years ago) link
Plus I think it's quite ironic that she was never all that popular in the UK, which is essentially where Fleetwood Mac come from.
― JTS, Friday, 18 March 2005 23:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― Sara Sherr, Saturday, 19 March 2005 03:29 (nineteen years ago) link
But *every* Stevie Nicks song involves a delusional girl. Her songs are nothing if not full of uncertainty and self-doubt.
― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 19 March 2005 03:40 (nineteen years ago) link
We're all allowed to flub lines in the midst of cocaine psychosis.
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 20 March 2005 00:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Sunday, 20 March 2005 00:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 13:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 04:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― Brian Turner (btwfmu), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 04:35 (eighteen years ago) link
also, "i can't wait" video had some serious mid-80's sizzle to it.
― ZionTrain (ZionTrain), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 04:40 (eighteen years ago) link
Brian, it's not really fair to tease us like that. Esp. since my first thought was OMG I MUST HAVE THIS.
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 05:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― shine headlights on me (electricsound), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 05:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 07:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 12:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― Brett Hickman (Bhickman), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 15:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― Baaderonixx le Belge (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link
'Far as poetry goes, all props to Alfred for the thread. We haven't actually mentioned "After The Glitter Fades" by name, but it stands for me among the best of all singer-songwriter SoCaliana*, from "Late For The Sky" through "A Long December."
*A genre defined by the hoovering of rails in an elegiac mode.
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 16:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 16:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 17:06 (eighteen years ago) link
Edge of Seventeen is a stone classic. But not as stone classic as "Stone in Love" by Journey which is a double-stone classic for use of the word "stone" in the title.*
*Also, I noticed the other day that the main riff from Stone in Love is totally ripped off by "Drown" by Son Volt, which was by far their best song. Huh.
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 23:26 (eighteen years ago) link
Suspect the collective might throw a lot of "Windfall" and "Tear Stained Eye" at that Son Volt POO, but "Stone In Love" was WITHOUT QUESTION Journey's finest hour. I love it without irony. Deserves its own thread.
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 23:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― On the bass, 57 7th, he wrote this (calstars), Thursday, 7 July 2005 01:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 7 July 2005 03:49 (eighteen years ago) link
"Edge of Seventeen" was what Destiny's Child sampled for "Bootylicious," right?
― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 7 July 2005 04:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 7 July 2005 04:58 (eighteen years ago) link
Not sure which I like more: "Seventeen" or "Bootylicious."
― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 7 July 2005 04:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 7 July 2005 05:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 7 July 2005 05:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 7 July 2005 14:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 8 July 2005 03:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Friday, 8 July 2005 03:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 8 July 2005 04:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 8 July 2005 10:54 (eighteen years ago) link
Hilarious!
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 02:33 (sixteen years ago) link
"Edge of Seventeen" is fucking immense.
― Dom Passantino, Saturday, 12 April 2008 22:29 (sixteen years ago) link
“And sometimes <sniff> I cry” always made me chuckle a little.
― Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 13:31 (six years ago) link
*sniff* is coke obv
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 13:45 (six years ago) link
Her best Mac and solo stuff.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 December 2018 01:42 (five years ago) link
Either this is an in-joke or that’s the wrong link, Alfred.
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 20 December 2018 02:14 (five years ago) link
Ha! It's the wrong link.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 December 2018 02:42 (five years ago) link
For someone who spent the good part of a decade+ of her peak gacked out, she recorded a remarkable number of great songs. But wow, no Silver Springs, which has sort of become the definitive Nicks Mac song. (Storms may be the prettiest.)
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 December 2018 03:25 (five years ago) link
I'll tell you what, I forgot "Nightbird"!
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 December 2018 12:36 (five years ago) link
I feel like “Stand Back” deserves the Lindstrom and Prins treatment.
― Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 16 February 2019 14:57 (five years ago) link
Rooms on fire slays, the drums are A+
― June Pointer’s Valentine’s Day Secret Admirer Note Author (calstars), Friday, 15 November 2019 18:25 (four years ago) link
Could be Jerry Marotta ...
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 November 2019 18:59 (four years ago) link
That vaporous Rupert Hine production, also used to splendid effect on Rush's Poppy Bush Interzone hits.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 November 2019 19:03 (four years ago) link
I don't know how many times I've listened to Rooms on Fire today and I don't want to know
― lukas, Sunday, 11 October 2020 04:01 (three years ago) link
She's great in Fleetwood Mac, but I'm not a fan of her solo records. She seems to be at the complete mercy of her collaborators, but seeing as she's choosing most of them, it's probably more of a reflection of poor choices. Iovine's okay but he's generally less interesting than what Nicks had with Buckingham et al. Things get better when Tom Petty and/or the Heartbreakers are involved, or with Prince in "Stand Back"'s case. The one unqualified triumph that belongs to her is "Edge of Seventeen," and as much as I prefer Buckingham's solo career, I don't think he's ever quite matched it on his own.
― birdistheword, Sunday, 11 October 2020 05:58 (three years ago) link
Depends how you define 'collaboration,' for Prince just played on "Stand Back."
"Rooms on Fire" is lovely, and it took years to notice it doesn't rhyme! And how many top twenty hits have lines like "She dreamed of a wanton luxury"?
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 October 2020 09:58 (three years ago) link
When Rooms on Fire hits at the bar the place goes up in flames 🔥
― calstars, Sunday, 11 October 2020 11:52 (three years ago) link
I didn't want to drown the post in details, but generally the point is that the track owed a lot to Prince:
She wrote it on the day of her marriage to Kim Anderson on January 29, 1983. The newlyweds were driving up to San Ysidro Ranch in Santa Barbara when Prince's song "Little Red Corvette" came on the radio. Nicks started humming along to the melody, especially inspired by the lush synthesizers of the song, and "Stand Back" was born. They stopped and got a tape recorder and she recorded the demo in the honeymoon suite that night. Later, when Nicks went into the studio to record the song, she called Prince and told him the story of how she wrote the song to his melody. He came to the studio that night and played synthesizers on it, although his contribution is uncredited on the album. He and Nicks did agree however to split the publishing royalties on the song 50-50. Then, she says, "he just got up and left as if the whole thing happened in a dream."
― birdistheword, Sunday, 11 October 2020 16:42 (three years ago) link
oh I'm well aware of it -- I own Timespace and the story's been passed down for years -- but his influence on the track is overstated, especially when "Nightbird" and (especially!) "If Anyone Falls" boast similar synthesized arrangements. Her awarding him some publishing dough was a gesture of generosity. The track was already awesome.
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 October 2020 16:53 (three years ago) link
“Blue Lamp” is phenomenal. I can’t believe it was relegated to a b-side/soundtrack cut
― beamish13, Sunday, 11 October 2020 16:54 (three years ago) link
I want to resist this notion of Nicks as "at the complete mercy of her collaborators," which may have been true in 1985-1996 but was certainly not true in Fleetwood Mac (as her demos show) or her solo work from 1989 onward.
Also, most singer-songwriters are at the mercy of collaborators, "complete" or otherwise.
They need bands to flesh out their crystal visions. I suspect a Nicks-at-the-piano album at her peak would've been special, though.
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 October 2020 16:56 (three years ago) link
"Blue Lamp" is a catchy motherfucker.
stand back would be a great song without the synthsso she “stole” a bit from little red corvetteit’s a stretch to call prince a “collaborator” thereI think she’s a really underrated songwriter and singer and all this surgical picking apart what she “really” did is weird.
― brimstead, Sunday, 11 October 2020 19:51 (three years ago) link
otm
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 October 2020 20:32 (three years ago) link
Some great comments on here, just for one example: Hell yeah. Hell yeah to the LA session players. Hell yeah to Don Henley knowing that with Stevie to light his nights, somehow he'd get by. Hell yeah to Alfred Soto correctly observing that when you didn't plan to hear it just then, "Stand Back" is in fact the best song ever written. Along with "Edge Of Seventeen" or "If Anyone Falls." Hell yeah to doing fat rails at some record producer's party up the canyon in Studio City, or maybe it was a real estate guy, and finding yourself alone on a balcony at four in the morning, the has-beens long retired to the bedrooms with the wannabes, and maybe a few stragglers sprawled on living room shag, too wasted or too desperate to know that for them the party ended weeks ago, with the Valley twinkling everywhere below, and knowing that love is only one fine star away. Hell yeah.― rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, July 5, 2005 And the one already in italics, apparently from somewhere else, re the Frank Kogan of Mac collectors, the beneath-the-hierarchy of fans, young women who wanted to talk about young woman things, and what in Stevie songs of and to such want, despite any degree in songs or fans of accepted sexism, and "there was a culture beyond that'---who wrote this, Alfred?
― dow, Sunday, 11 October 2020 20:55 (three years ago) link
meant to refer to "what in Stevie songs *spoke* of and to such want"
― dow, Sunday, 11 October 2020 20:58 (three years ago) link
stand back would be a great song without the synthsso she “stole” a bit from little red corvetteit’s a stretch to call prince a “collaborator” thereI think she’s a really underrated songwriter and singer and all this surgical picking apart what she “really” did is weird.I like the record more than the song - I've never been especially bowled over by any covers or live performances to really think it was the other way around, and I definitely like it more than the remixed version on Timespace, so I can't agree there.
I think we already covered this in the previous posts, but 1) I didn't want to spend too much time discussing details, so "collaborator" shouldn't be taken that literally, "influence" probably would've been better and 2) Alfred already said he thought that influence was overstated, even if it's been stated by Nicks herself, and that's fine if we disagree
Anyway, I'm not sure I'd call her underrated as a songwriter given how massively popular her songs are - her songs with Fleetwood Mac are probably heard and covered more than the others by her bandmates, and they are great songs so they seem rated just fine.
― birdistheword, Sunday, 11 October 2020 21:08 (three years ago) link
I was going to suggest "influence" as a substitute because no question Prince influenced the writing of "Stand Back."
And lol I prefer the remixed "Stand Back" on Timespace -- punchier, longer, with the extended coda of Nicksbabble.
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 October 2020 21:13 (three years ago) link
I don't like any of the CLA remixes on that compilation, I never kept it for that reason.
― birdistheword, Sunday, 11 October 2020 21:19 (three years ago) link
Sometimes it's a bitch!
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 October 2020 21:34 (three years ago) link
LOL
I rarely like remixes like this, unless it was a record that was seriously compromised, remixing at best feels pointless, but it could be a lot worse.
― birdistheword, Sunday, 11 October 2020 21:39 (three years ago) link
wow 18 new answers and none of them are about “Show Them The Way”? It’s good. It didn’t blow me away or anything but it’s staying on my 2020 playlist.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U74L8TbHsoY
― Jeff W, Sunday, 11 October 2020 21:50 (three years ago) link
Never forget
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AjarDaringAsiaticmouflon-small.gif
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 October 2020 21:58 (three years ago) link
the live “stand back” on the chain box is hurried and thin but I kinda like it
― brimstead, Sunday, 11 October 2020 22:02 (three years ago) link
Sorry Jeff -- that's what started my solo Stevie binge, I got distracted by Rooms on Fire.
― lukas, Sunday, 11 October 2020 22:03 (three years ago) link
The new song's okay. Too many JFK references instead of JFK references.
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 October 2020 22:05 (three years ago) link
It's not bad. I don't think that was a balanced collection - they really shortchanged the pre-Buckingham/Nicks era - but that track was a good pick to represent the post-Buckingham lineup, which wasn't exactly rich with gems.
― birdistheword, Sunday, 11 October 2020 22:41 (three years ago) link
Blue Lamp is all time
― thousand-yard spiral stairs (f. hazel), Sunday, 6 December 2020 04:30 (three years ago) link
if you wiser you would get out
― thousand-yard spiral stairs (f. hazel), Sunday, 6 December 2020 04:31 (three years ago) link
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 14:32 (two years ago) link
You GO, girl
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AjarDaringAsiaticmouflon-max-1mb.gif
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 14:41 (two years ago) link
Happy birthday, fellow sister of the moon
https://giphy.com/gifs/abedder-gypsy-stevie-nicks-fleetwood-mac-buLmE2bSbOkEoC1zO
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 May 2022 14:10 (one year ago) link
https://media.giphy.com/media/buLmE2bSbOkEoC1zO/giphy.gif
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 May 2022 14:11 (one year ago) link
blame it on my wild heart
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 26 May 2022 15:59 (one year ago) link
^^^ best fucking album ever, as I discovered about a month ago
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 26 May 2022 16:00 (one year ago) link
I remember reading Details Magazine when it was still around and they did a Q&A with Stevie and the writer had the audacity to ask her about a rather explicit rumor (rumour?) that was going around at the time. I will paraphrase:
Interviewer: There's a rumor going around that you did so much coke that your nostrils are wrecked and you have an assistant blow coke into your asshole. (Yes, they came right out and asked her about this).
Nicks: (no response)
Interviewer: It must suck having those kinds of rumors about you.
I remember at the time finding it unreal they even asked, and more surprised she didn't storm out of the inteview.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 26 May 2022 17:03 (one year ago) link
well the magazine was called details
― Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Thursday, 26 May 2022 17:07 (one year ago) link
lol I remember it
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 May 2022 17:14 (one year ago) link
My Stevie @Barbie has been with me now for several months. When Mattel came to me asking if I would like to have a Barbie made in the “Rumours” cover style I was very overwhelmed. Of course I questioned “would she look like me? Would she have my spirit? Would she have my heart…”… pic.twitter.com/JQXjF7XSMK— Stevie Nicks (@StevieNicks) October 2, 2023
― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 October 2023 17:18 (seven months ago) link
I guess there have been a few of these random Music Series Barbies, including Bowie:
https://www.billboard.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/David-Bowie-Barbie-hero.jpg?w=942&h=623&crop=1
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 October 2023 17:22 (seven months ago) link
Mid 70s yellow teeth coked up Bowie would have made a great Joker
― calstars, Monday, 2 October 2023 19:27 (seven months ago) link