...and they rock...
― S, Friday, 1 November 2002 18:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gareth (gareth), Friday, 1 November 2002 19:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
The main stream of hip hop culture itself tends to be deeply homophobic, I think it's fair to say.
It's cool to see out folks making any kind of headway. I know there's an LA rapper that goes by Gay Mike or something like that, he's part of some crew. Unfortunately the LA Weekly ate the New Times LA online archive when the latter was slain, so I can't find the one article I remember on him.
― wl (wl), Friday, 1 November 2002 19:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 1 November 2002 19:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Rahul Kamath (Rahul Kamath), Friday, 1 November 2002 19:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― blueski, Friday, 1 November 2002 19:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
What about Q-Tip?
― S, Friday, 1 November 2002 19:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 1 November 2002 19:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
― blueski, Friday, 1 November 2002 19:27 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 1 November 2002 19:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Manny Parsons (Rahul Kamath), Friday, 1 November 2002 19:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
― S, Friday, 1 November 2002 19:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
― keith (keithmcl), Friday, 1 November 2002 20:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lee G (Lee G), Friday, 1 November 2002 20:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
We'll probably get a mainstream-accepted lesbian MC before we get a gay one, I'm guessing.
― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Friday, 1 November 2002 20:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Friday, 1 November 2002 20:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
Oddly, rumors have been flying for many years that 2Pac himself was quite the bisexual.
― Manny Parsons (Rahul Kamath), Friday, 1 November 2002 20:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
(I am so dead.)
― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Friday, 1 November 2002 20:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
Well, there's always Peaches...
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 1 November 2002 20:27 (twenty-one years ago) link
And not to turn this thread into "hip-hop rumors involving homosexuality" (although it kinda already is that) but, according to DMX, Ja Rule had an exchange one night with a guy after eating X.
― S, Friday, 1 November 2002 20:31 (twenty-one years ago) link
Jan Geerinckhttp://www.jahsonic.com/Gay.html
― Jan Geerinck, Friday, 1 November 2002 21:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 1 November 2002 21:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dyson (dyson), Friday, 1 November 2002 21:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dyson (dyson), Friday, 1 November 2002 21:47 (twenty-one years ago) link
Lesbian rappers are less of a threat to the hyper-hetero masculinity of hip-hop.
Hmmm? But lesbian rappers are women that suceed in a male-dominated medium, and furthermore don't *need* men (as opposed to heterosexual female rappers, who almost always encourage fellow females to get a guy, even if only for $$$$$.) Surely that's a threat to your average thug's comfort, too?
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 1 November 2002 23:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Honda, Friday, 1 November 2002 23:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Honda, Friday, 1 November 2002 23:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 1 November 2002 23:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
Or so someone tried to explain, zonked on acid, staring intently at a Bone Thugs ad at a bus stop. I think this was at Berkeley some weeks after a seminar on bisexuality in lower-class communities with high rates of incarceration. This also doesn't help explain the lack of non-gangster gay hip-hop artists.
― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 2 November 2002 01:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Kris (aqueduct), Saturday, 2 November 2002 01:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
It's kind of a cheap irony, but I enjoy it nonetheless.
(I guess you could draw a similar/stronger line with first-wave hip hop's dico roots, as also per the house comments above...)
― wl (wl), Saturday, 2 November 2002 02:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
Lil' Kim's frequently rapping about how she quite likes lesbians - there's even a song where she tells Puff Daddy not to yell "dyke" at them - in some ways I think the lesbian is almost upheld within ho-rap as the ultimate in self-empowered independence - though that said, I get the impression that flirtation with lesbianism would still be a male-porn style prelude to the main event.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 2 November 2002 12:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dave q, Saturday, 2 November 2002 13:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nick H, Saturday, 2 November 2002 16:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
This isn't something I've even heard of before, but if it's true, it might explain why he bit a Bowie song.
― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 2 November 2002 17:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 3 November 2002 04:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
I dunno about Dre = gay. Calling your former-friend "punk-ass faggot," etc., figures pretty prominently in the various Ruthless/Death Row/and so on feuds. Witness Cube's "No Vaseline," Dre or Ren "talking to that bitch O'Shea," as just a couple instances.
Re: James Brown I read an interview with someone who'd been on tour with him, 60s or 70s, about him bringing along an effeminate male companion for his pleasure. I don't have trouble buying this.
― wl (wl), Sunday, 3 November 2002 05:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
― M Matos (M Matos), Sunday, 3 November 2002 09:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Pete Scholtes, Sunday, 3 November 2002 20:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Pete Scholtes, Sunday, 3 November 2002 20:58 (twenty-one years ago) link
*(i didn't read it if he did, so this may not be fair)
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 3 November 2002 21:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 3 November 2002 22:19 (twenty-one years ago) link
I saw evidence to the contrary a couple months ago while watching a clip I saw of him performing on SNL in 1980. Unless he used a prosthesis.
― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 3 November 2002 22:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 3 November 2002 22:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Andrew L (Andrew L), Sunday, 3 November 2002 22:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0005/trebay.php
― Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 5 November 2002 05:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 5 November 2002 05:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 16 May 2003 00:10 (twenty years ago) link
Then again, would any drag queen use lip liner to that extent?
I think the gay scene rarely follows trends - and hip hop as a genre is just so outdated, it's too way back there for gays.... the fashions may seep into gay culture, the music - nah. Too violent, too ugly and impossible to dance to.
― russ t, Friday, 16 May 2003 13:11 (twenty years ago) link
― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:15 (twenty years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIhf8InaOr4
― LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 15:03 (eleven years ago) link
based on the screencap, I'll pass.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 15:13 (eleven years ago) link
Be grateful you did.
― to welcome jer.fairall, pie is served. (jer.fairall), Friday, 3 August 2012 21:44 (eleven years ago) link
should i go see BIG FREEDIA on thursday night at a small-ish club?!?
― the late great, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 01:39 (eleven years ago) link
I cannot imagine why you (or anyone) wouldn't.
― to welcome jer.fairall, pie is served. (jer.fairall), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 03:58 (eleven years ago) link
Absolutely. Ass is everywhere.
― Eric H., Tuesday, 14 August 2012 04:06 (eleven years ago) link
rev & i talked this out a bit behind the scenes but im not sure i see what the pitchfork article did that this article isn't also doing? http://www.alternet.org/comments/medias-problem-gay-rappers
i mean, i think obv there needs to be a balance between defining rappers who are gay as a gay rapper movement & simply ignoring the phenomenon that there are now out gay rappers, (which is to say, there is SOMEthing happening, right?) but I fail to see what the pitchfork article did that made it any worse than what this article is doing.
― protected by viper. stand back. (D-40), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 08:11 (eleven years ago) link
Do Kpop girl group rappers count?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q40UvNxLBDQ
They're being promoted in a major way.
― hurricane weather (forapper), Thursday, 16 August 2012 15:11 (eleven years ago) link
With the 'Wavvy' premiere and the increased media coverage, I figured it was time for Mykki to get her own thread - Mykki Blanco - 'Wavvy' and the forthcoming Cosmic Angel mixtape
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 17:51 (eleven years ago) link
http://soundcloud.com/zebrakatz/ima-read-ft-gangsta-boo-x
GANGSTA FUCKING BOO
― lex pretend, Thursday, 30 August 2012 13:31 (eleven years ago) link
and tricky O_O
Gangsta Boo is great on that but Tricky doesn't work at all. Then again, I've never liked him.
― The Reverend, Thursday, 30 August 2012 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
haha i thought tricky had come out of the closet
― some dude, Thursday, 30 August 2012 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
That's how I interpreted that as well. LOL
― Regional Tug (irrational), Thursday, 30 August 2012 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
i think they both sound really awkward on that track, she's no better than him imo
― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 30 August 2012 20:14 (eleven years ago) link
love this. DDm is the best.
http://soundcloud.com/goddm/bmore-fierce-remix
― tuomas without a nose ring (The Reverend), Friday, 14 September 2012 09:11 (eleven years ago) link
man y'all are sleeping on ^^^^that one
he raps over an az. banks beat and violently riffs on "Ima Read"
desert eag, desert eag, desert eagmake it bleeed, make it bleeed, make it bleeedima read, ima read, ima readyour obituary
― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Friday, 12 October 2012 23:59 (eleven years ago) link
are there any gay rappers in the UK?
― tpp, Thursday, 13 December 2012 12:47 (eleven years ago) link
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2012/11/fan-landers-gay-rapper-aging-hardcore.php
― some dude, Thursday, 13 December 2012 13:24 (eleven years ago) link
I'm a 31 year old, balding bearded guy who doesn't drink but I do possess a love for post-hardcore or whatever
― tpp, Thursday, 13 December 2012 13:34 (eleven years ago) link
CAKES!
http://soundcloud.com/bloglin/cakes-da-killa-goodies/
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 01:16 (eleven years ago) link
i forget if we're still using this or if we've moved onto another thread, but there's a zebra katz mixtape out today called DRKLNG: https://soundcloud.com/zebrakatz/drklng
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 16 May 2013 15:31 (ten years ago) link
Not that surprising, alas:
Big Freedia Twerking Postal Service Fans The Wrong Way As Band’s Unlikely Opening Act
― The Butthurt Locker (cryptosicko), Thursday, 25 July 2013 00:14 (ten years ago) link
"twerking fans the wrong way" -_-
― some dude, Thursday, 25 July 2013 00:34 (ten years ago) link
Could you imagine wanting to hear the electronic beats of the Postal Service more than the electronic beats of Big Freedia?
― Does the RS Tsarnaev Cover Offend You, Yeah? (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 25 July 2013 02:02 (ten years ago) link
Gib Bardia, the hardest twerking artist around, is a gender-queer/gender-fluid musician famous for being the face of New Orleans Bounce music — a small sub-genre of hip-hop that uses hyper-sexual call-and-response lyrics over sampled beats and sounds (most ubiquitous is the Triggerman beat).
― some dude, Thursday, 25 July 2013 02:25 (ten years ago) link
lol both of you
― suggest bando (The Reverend), Thursday, 25 July 2013 05:40 (ten years ago) link
was the current mister cee situation covered in another thread?http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/the-stream/the-stream-officialblog/2013/9/13/mister-cee-and-hiphop.html
― One burly voice screamed and that was one of many. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 16 September 2013 06:31 (ten years ago) link
http://colorlines.com/archives/2013/09/laverne_cox_and_janet_mock_talk_mister_cee.html
^^This is really good.
Laverne Cox:
There's consistently an erasure of trans identity when we have these discussions. The reason I'm here is because whenever we have these discussions, trans people's voices -- trans women's voices, specifically -- are not included in these discussions. And the stigmatizing -- I've been single most of the time I've been in New York, most of the time since I started transitioning fifteen years ago, and I date men. The extent to which men who date us or are attracted to us are stigmatized is so intense. Most of these men feel like they can never tell anyone, can never be out about it.Janet wrote in her piece today so brilliantly today is that men are attracted to women, and so so often, when a man is found to be in a relationship or attracted to a trans women, it's the misgendering and the denial of our womanhood that we see happening there. And that kind of stigma leads to violence against trans women. That kind of stigma leads to us not being able to get a job. That stigma leads to us not being able to get health care, housing. And it really is a state of emergency for trans women. For me it's important that we use this opportunity to talk about how men who date us are stigmatized, and how that really reflects on how our bodies and our existence and our lives are stigmatized.
Janet wrote in her piece today so brilliantly today is that men are attracted to women, and so so often, when a man is found to be in a relationship or attracted to a trans women, it's the misgendering and the denial of our womanhood that we see happening there. And that kind of stigma leads to violence against trans women. That kind of stigma leads to us not being able to get a job. That stigma leads to us not being able to get health care, housing. And it really is a state of emergency for trans women.
For me it's important that we use this opportunity to talk about how men who date us are stigmatized, and how that really reflects on how our bodies and our existence and our lives are stigmatized.
― The Reverend, Monday, 16 September 2013 07:35 (ten years ago) link
Today in my African American lit seminar we discussed Mykki Blanco and Le1f. I love school.
― the vineyards where the grapes of corporate rock are stored (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 22:40 (ten years ago) link
!
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 23:59 (ten years ago) link
It is worth mentioning that I only brought up the latter, and even then, only after one of my classmates brought up the former. When I saw my prof scribble down Le1f's name in his notebook, I told him to download the Fly Zone tape.
― the vineyards where the grapes of corporate rock are stored (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 18 September 2013 00:21 (ten years ago) link
lol, my friend that teaches classes on gender in media studies gets into those kinda conversations all the time. i think she has a matrix lecture.
― One burly voice screamed and that was one of many. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 18 September 2013 03:01 (ten years ago) link
http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/interviews/id.2181/title.f-virtue-discusses-homosexuality-in-hip-hop-coming-out-in-single-anita-bryant-
― ball games w/ james (calibrate), Thursday, 19 September 2013 21:48 (ten years ago) link
Unfortunately that guy's a pretty bad rapper though.
― ball games w/ james (calibrate), Thursday, 19 September 2013 21:55 (ten years ago) link
Definitely important to mention Lord Jamar in the second sentence of that. Def important to validate the opinions of a bigot who hasn't made an important record in 20 years
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 19 September 2013 22:09 (ten years ago) link
-________-
― The Reverend, Thursday, 19 September 2013 22:39 (ten years ago) link
http://labrujamorgan.tumblr.com/post/79881448946/some-reflections-on-gaybigaygay
― imago draggin' (The Reverend), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 09:28 (ten years ago) link
Cakes played it down a bit -
I’m sorry the event took a turn for the worst for you boo but I did not end my set out of frustration but because of a time restraint. Also, no one during my set annoyed me with how they were acting to me it seemed all out of fun.
Again, I’m sorry the event didn’t pan out the way you wanted it to but I def had fun at my first Gaybi and I don’t think Mykki was fazed either.
― ogmor, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 10:33 (ten years ago) link
They have been told their whole lives that everything is theirs. They’ve been told that whatever they do is fine and cute and great
don't think this is really accurate about LGBT people of any colour tbh (this is not to minimise how terrible white gays can be) (the way she described it sounded terrible but if cakes is telling a different story...?)
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 10:47 (ten years ago) link
fans climbing on stage during a concert isn't really a matter of disrespect or entitlement is it?
― coops all on coops tbh (crüt), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 12:17 (ten years ago) link
if uninvited i'd tend to call it an asshole move regardless but if the performers were fine with it, or it was expected...
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 12:26 (ten years ago) link
That was an
― We hugged with no names exchanged (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 13:20 (ten years ago) link
urgh, sorry: wasn't there and have limited perspective but cakes and mykki have distinctly punk sensibilities, i have a hard time believing this kind of behavior would've traumatized them. and having been to dozens of sets where the words "these goddamn white people" have easily come to mind, saying that the white fans were "spasmodically wriggling" to the set sorta plays out your hand; with the artist shrugging in the comments this reads more like an opportunity to grind an axe in bloggytown than highlight a great injustice
― We hugged with no names exchanged (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 13:53 (ten years ago) link
alright, I hadn't seen Cakes' response. moving along
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 19:27 (ten years ago) link
gaybigaygay is a terrible show name btw
― We hugged with no names exchanged (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 21:01 (ten years ago) link
truuuu
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 21:13 (ten years ago) link
passed my way today, dunno if i exactly care for it or nothttp://vimeo.com/84941601
― We hugged with no names exchanged (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 20 March 2014 15:49 (ten years ago) link
surprised that this hasn't been discussed yet (for the fact of its existence much more so than its quality)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4iBBfEHNaE
― Inside Lewellyn Sinclair (cryptosicko), Thursday, 10 April 2014 16:26 (ten years ago) link