1. Need for sex- surprisingly, Fowles found that only 2 percent of the television ads, he surveyed used this appeal. It may be too blatant, he concluded, and often detracts from the product.
2. Need for affiliation- the largest number of ads use this approach: you are looking for friendship? Advertisers can also use this negatively, to make you worry that you'll lose friends if you don't use a certain product.
3. Need to nurture- every time you see a puppy or a kitten or a child, the appeal is to your paternal or maternal instincts.
4. Need for guidance- a father or mother figure can appeal to your desire for someone to care for you, s you won't have to worry. Betty Crocker is a good example.
5. Need to aggress- we all have had a desire to get even, and some ads give you this satisfaction.
6. Need to achieve- the ability to accomplish something difficult and succeed identifies the product with winning. Sports figures as spokespersons project this image.
7. Need to dominate- the power we lack is what we can look for in a commercial "master the possibilities."
8. Need for prominence- we want to be admired and respected; to have high social status. Tasteful china and classic diamonds offer this potential.
9. Need for attention- we want people to notice us; we want to be looked at. Cosmetics are a natural for this approach.
10. Need for autonomy- within a crowded environment, we want to be singled out, to be a "breed apart." This can also be used negatively: you may be left out if you don't use a particular product
11. Need to escape- flight is very appealing; you can imagine adventures you cannot have; the idea of escape is pleasurable
12. Need to feel safe- to be free from threats, to be secure is the appeal of many insurance and bank ads
13. Need for aesthetic sensations-beauty attracts us, and classic art or dance makes us feel creative, enhanced
14. Need to satisfy curiosity-facts support our belief that information is quantifiable and numbers and diagrams make our choices seem scientific
15. Psychological needs- Fowles defines sex (item no.1) as a biological need, and so he classifies our need to sleep, eat, and drink in this category. Advertisers for juicy pizza are especially appealing late at night.
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 7 October 2010 23:31 (thirteen years ago) link
pizza is also an aesthetic sensation imo
― sarahel, Thursday, 7 October 2010 23:32 (thirteen years ago) link
need to aggress. rowr!
― that's so percussion (get bent), Thursday, 7 October 2010 23:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Need to escape probably.
― Rob Liefeld pose (chap), Thursday, 7 October 2010 23:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Or need for aesthetic sensation, don't know why they've limited it to the boring shit.
― Rob Liefeld pose (chap), Thursday, 7 October 2010 23:37 (thirteen years ago) link
but that is advertising, my dear
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 7 October 2010 23:44 (thirteen years ago) link
smh
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 7 October 2010 23:55 (thirteen years ago) link
ha, sorry, dick post
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 7 October 2010 23:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Huh, I think the only one that works on me is an advert for drink/foodstuffs. And even then only on things that I already know I like. Usually adverts end up making me want a different product (e.g. if I see an ad for Domino's I might want pizza, but not Domino's pizza).
― emil.y, Friday, 8 October 2010 00:05 (thirteen years ago) link
I reckon 15 will take this in a landslide, but I'm usually happiest with the food and drink that doesn't need to be advertised tbh
As someone who fancies himself impervious to advertising (how conceited!), I'm still sure I've got an Achilles heel somewhere. Need for attention perhaps? :D Can't think of anything I've bought recently because of an advert, but a few years ago I did ask my dad to buy me some Ray-Bans when he went to the States, so low-level physical accoutrements may as well be my hotspot.
― acoleuthic, Friday, 8 October 2010 00:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, the reason why advertising works is that even though you probably won't go out the next day to pick up the product, if you need e.g. kitchen cleaner or painkillers, you may well choose the product that you've heard of over the one you haven't. If it's well-known it must be used by loads of people, and if it's used by loads of people, you'd know if it was shit, right? So advertising doesn't really work through any of the appeals, but rather through familiarising the masses with a brand name.
― emil.y, Friday, 8 October 2010 00:17 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost oh no i mean smh at jfowles' keen insight into the inner workings of the mind/media diad
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 8 October 2010 00:18 (thirteen years ago) link
aka what emil.y said.
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 8 October 2010 00:19 (thirteen years ago) link
No one is totally impervious to advertising imo.
― The Ten Things I Hate About Commandments (Abbbottt), Friday, 8 October 2010 00:21 (thirteen years ago) link
I have bought way too many albums in my life because of those little stickers on the front that say stuff like "the album of the year that challenges you while also reminding you of your sixteen favorite band."
― The Ten Things I Hate About Commandments (Abbbottt), Friday, 8 October 2010 00:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Also: I am a sucker for clearly outrageous claims on cosmetics ads, like- that DOES NOT COME OFF for 14 hours-mascara that makes your lashes 900% BIGGER (any time they throw an impossible percent in there I basically buy the shit the next day)-makes complete strangers want to FUCK AND RESPECT you at the same time
― The Ten Things I Hate About Commandments (Abbbottt), Friday, 8 October 2010 00:25 (thirteen years ago) link
xxxpost Well, sure, but the adverts are also in competition with each other, and they all work on these hooks to some extent. We're not all free-minded skeptics, y'know.
Abbott I would like to see you sell me something! You could probably sell me a really sweet cricket bat, maybe, but not much else. Oh ok, if you were selling me a totally amazing pizza place in my part of London, that too might work. Might.
Oooooh wait yeah I have bought an album sight unseen because of the descriptive blurb - fortunately it turned out to be brilliant and I have since given up buying music in 99.9% of cases
― acoleuthic, Friday, 8 October 2010 00:25 (thirteen years ago) link
-makes complete strangers want to FUCK AND RESPECT you at the same time
also loooooool @ this, wish it wasn't too long to be a DN
― -makes complete strangers want to FUCK AND RESPECT you at the same (acoleuthic), Friday, 8 October 2010 00:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I remember the first time my husband saw an ad for the Baconator. He grabbed me by the shoulder and said, "I want one!"
― The Ten Things I Hate About Commandments (Abbbottt), Friday, 8 October 2010 00:27 (thirteen years ago) link
hahaha ok I have SAID that about certain slicing devices but I have not yet bought one
― acoleuthic, Friday, 8 October 2010 00:27 (thirteen years ago) link
where is that slicing device
― acoleuthic, Friday, 8 October 2010 00:28 (thirteen years ago) link
It made you want something that you would not have wanted if you didn't see the ad. It did its job!
― The Ten Things I Hate About Commandments (Abbbottt), Friday, 8 October 2010 00:28 (thirteen years ago) link
It was linked on ILX iirc and was very neat indeed - still though I would rather wet my eyes with onions than purchase a twistychop
― acoleuthic, Friday, 8 October 2010 00:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I have bought albums because of stickers put on by record shop employees, but not because of record company advertising.
Also, Abbott, have you seen the advert that promises to MILLIONISE your lashes? That makes me so angry. It doesn't even claim to make them one million % better, just to MILLIONISE them. Whatever the fuck that is.
Also, novelty products are a different ball game, and yeah, I am susceptible to them in that I think they're awesome for all of five minutes, and then I forget that they exist.
― emil.y, Friday, 8 October 2010 00:30 (thirteen years ago) link
ah yeah here we are
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkAZo8Z4gWE
― acoleuthic, Friday, 8 October 2010 00:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Except for THE GARDEN CLAW. Especially GARDEN CLAW GOLD, perfect for the taller or shorter gardener.
I still didn't buy one, though.
(xpost)
― emil.y, Friday, 8 October 2010 00:31 (thirteen years ago) link
#1 = Identity.#2 = Vanity.
― Spencer Chow, Friday, 8 October 2010 00:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Wait, LJ, are you talking about a slapchop?
I haven't seen that ad...I think it would make me mad because MILLIONISE isn't really a verb. But I would buy some drag queen shit that promised one million percent bigger (well let's say if it was $9 or less, I am not going to pay $30 to look like Tina Root).
― The Ten Things I Hate About Commandments (Abbbottt), Friday, 8 October 2010 00:32 (thirteen years ago) link
haha xps
What products are even marketed as "need to aggress" revenge fantasy shit?
― The Ten Things I Hate About Commandments (Abbbottt), Friday, 8 October 2010 00:33 (thirteen years ago) link
xxxpost Well, sure, but the adverts are also in competition with each other, and they all work on these hooks to some extent.
See, culture mavens and to some degree ad creatives would like to believe this, but basically advertising "works" because it's there. Stay in the marketplace with a consistent message at sufficient weight and sales will improve. The content of the message is really secondary to the media weight, so long as it remains consistent.
emil.y remains OTM
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 8 October 2010 00:34 (thirteen years ago) link
all this talk of MILLIONISING lashes has me thinking of our dear comrade Sarah Haskins and precisely how she'd play that one :D
I guess airtime is the main thing, RM...although borderline people are still swayable by the content of an advert, surely?
― acoleuthic, Friday, 8 October 2010 00:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Y'all are watching the wrong version of the slap chop ad IMO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWRyj5cHIQA
― a seminar on ass play for kids or something (Phil D.), Friday, 8 October 2010 00:37 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm fighting a losing battle here. There's even an argument that a cool or classy advert doesn't sell the product so much as itself, and that the best way to get the product sold is to crassly logjam it into someone's head with repetition. Although conversely, at this point one does need a memorable hook.
Ooh nice Phil, will be on that...
― acoleuthic, Friday, 8 October 2010 00:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Why do I feel like the people who brag about being immune to advertising are probably its worst victims?
― wk, Friday, 8 October 2010 00:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm not sure that content really counts for anything aside from the most luxury of items. I can see someone being swayed by a campaign for differing consoles, but not for differing toilet rolls - they buy Andrex because they know its name, not because they think it appeals to their lifestyle choice.
xxxpost
― emil.y, Friday, 8 October 2010 00:39 (thirteen years ago) link
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha xp
I think my mum buys Charmin toilet paper - now they also had quite an extensive ad campaign, so it clearly works. I'd buy the cheapest own-brand stuff :D
― acoleuthic, Friday, 8 October 2010 00:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Toilet paper ads are all about the aesthetic sensation of softness.
― wk, Friday, 8 October 2010 00:41 (thirteen years ago) link
And even consoles are pretty much built to an audience they've already assessed through market research, so the advertising is not 'hey, we're better' but 'hey, you are already the people who will buy this, remember who we are'.
xpost to myself again.
― emil.y, Friday, 8 October 2010 00:41 (thirteen years ago) link
The adverts on the Tube for all those crime novels are hilariously similar to each other to the extent where you know they're all in league, even sometimes saying 'Liked Jack Reacher? You will also like..' and generally looking to present nothing more than a one-word hook, usually the author's surname.
― acoleuthic, Friday, 8 October 2010 00:43 (thirteen years ago) link
"sway" is the wrong word. if your messaging is consistent then yes, consumers will begin to associate the foregrounded qualities with your product or service. but that's about POSITIONING, not ADVERTISING. e.g. the two leading brands of detergent will want to carve out slightly different personalities.
and yes, you can potentially squeeze more value out of your media buy with creative that's particularly memorable, but maintaining a "memorable" campaign over the long haul is very difficult. the more memorable your creative, the faster it gets stale.
really the only sort of advertising that can "sway" a consumer is retail-oriented stuff: "big sale right now!" and the extent of that "persuasion" will be to e.g. have someone who's already in the market for your product or service consider purchasing now rather than later.
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 8 October 2010 00:44 (thirteen years ago) link
ultimately, advertising is a vehicle for AWARENESS. for commodity goods in mature markets, it's about awareness of positioning ("this is what i'm about!"). for differentiated goods in growing markets there will be a greater focus on a) "i exist!" and b) "these are my features/benefits"
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 8 October 2010 00:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Aha, so the 'appeals' are just the existing sine qua nons of the product sought, and adverts may as well take them for granted...
This is all fabulously depressing...like, even more depressing than I had thought. You're a wise fella - have you ever studied this stuff properly?
― acoleuthic, Friday, 8 October 2010 00:47 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, people (including me) talk about how spot on some of the Marmite campaigns have been, but the fact is they don't have any competition. They could just have a black screen with the word 'Marmite' flashing up on it and it would work as well. Often the artistry of advertising is a luxury that simply keeps purportedly creative types in jobs and nothing more.
― emil.y, Friday, 8 October 2010 00:49 (thirteen years ago) link
(I have to admit, for an out and out socialist/communist, I do love a lot of adverts. But aside from the ones that are made by over enthusiastic people who get it horrendously and offensively wrong, they really don't matter at all.)
― emil.y, Friday, 8 October 2010 00:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, they don't, really, but I still find the urge to havoc rising when I hear militaristic, objectifying shit like the latest Lynx campaign (well, any Lynx campaign) - it may not make any difference to how the product is sold but it promotes neolithic attitudes
― acoleuthic, Friday, 8 October 2010 00:53 (thirteen years ago) link
You really think that advertising doesn't work? All of the evidence of its effectiveness is b.s.?
― wk, Friday, 8 October 2010 00:54 (thirteen years ago) link
No, I know it works.
― acoleuthic, Friday, 8 October 2010 00:55 (thirteen years ago) link
What about our goddamn need for sleep? Why the hell isn't that in the list?
― Aimless, Friday, 8 October 2010 03:07 (thirteen years ago) link
who said it doesn't work? it absolutely works. just not like that. advertisers would kill to be anywhere near as insidiously effective as folks seem to think they are.
lj - let's just say i'm not thinking about this stuff from an armchair.
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 8 October 2010 04:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I was referring to emily's "they really don't matter at all". I thought she was saying that ads were ineffective and therefore irrelevant beyond any aesthetic interest they may have.
― wk, Friday, 8 October 2010 07:30 (thirteen years ago) link
ah. i do agree with emil.y that the content is secondary to their mere presence. obv. you can get the creative spectacularly wrong or stunningly right but basically just being there is the important thing.
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 8 October 2010 07:35 (thirteen years ago) link
So Fowles considers Sex a "biological need," but Sleep a "psychological need"? WTF I'm not voting!
― ti, I drink with jam and lewis (Paul in Santa Cruz), Friday, 8 October 2010 07:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I can't agree with that at all. Maybe it's true for a commodity, but not for most products.xpost
― wk, Friday, 8 October 2010 07:53 (thirteen years ago) link
okay
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 8 October 2010 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link
16. Need to change channels to a station that's not currently showing commercials.
― Les centimètres énigmatiques (snoball), Friday, 8 October 2010 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Monday, 11 October 2010 23:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Tuesday, 12 October 2010 23:01 (thirteen years ago) link
By the way, I thought about this after posting (above) and decided that it might make sense to consider sex = biological and sleep = psychological because maybe an ad can arouse us sexually but cannot cause us to go through the biological process of sleeping. Not like I'm going to read Fowles to see if this is the intended distinction.
― Waldstein Sinatra (Paul in Santa Cruz), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 00:11 (thirteen years ago) link
― wk, Friday, 8 October 2010 08:30 (5 days ago)
Only just saw this - that's pretty much the opposite of what I was saying. I'm agreeing with rogermexico here.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 00:36 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean i dunno it's one rung down the moral ladder from conning old people out of their life savings imo
― a strident purist when it comes to band-related shirts (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:57 (ten years ago) link