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Gary Lineker has claimed that hosting the 2018 World Cup in England would help bring attacking football back to the tournament.

Lineker, an England 2018 bid ambassador, said that the previous two tournaments had suffered from some negative tactics but that the atmosphere in the English stadia would help the flow of the game.

Lineker told reporters at the Leaders in Football conference in London: "I think it would be great for the game of football to have the World Cup in England.

"I think we would have a really good tournament in this country because of the passion we evoke from the stands and that can sometimes help the flow and the attacking nature of football.

"That's important because the last couple of World Cups at times have been a little bit on the negative side.

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/international/england/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/10/10/06/SOCCER_World_Cup.html

James Mitchell, Thursday, 7 October 2010 10:33 (thirteen years ago) link

England did play attacking football in the last World Cup. Against Germany. They got smashed on the counter, time and time again.

Matt DC, Thursday, 7 October 2010 10:38 (thirteen years ago) link

and it helped the flow of the game and made for an exciting spectacle - so Lineker otm :)

san te cross (onimo), Thursday, 7 October 2010 10:45 (thirteen years ago) link

Makes for a very short tournament though.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 7 October 2010 11:05 (thirteen years ago) link

england play football with everyone charging up the field, it's not actually attacking football unless you can kepp the ball while doing so, it's essentially a garryowen

i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Thursday, 7 October 2010 11:07 (thirteen years ago) link

It doesn't sound like Lineker is saying it will make England play more attacking football, but that it will make the whole world play more attacking football (during the tournament). So, if he was right, it wouldn't make for a short tournament, and would lead to lots of exciting games like the Germany 4 England 1(+1) match. But he isn't right, so it doesn't matter.

Darragh - it *is* attacking football, it just isn't *effective* attacking football. You can be attacking and shit.

Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 7 October 2010 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link

ha no shit, jol out

i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Thursday, 7 October 2010 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link

Turn up to watch Jerez ­Industrial in the Spanish third division and you would be forgiven for doing a double take at the team sheet.

In goal, Billy Lumley once of Wolves’ youth team. Full-back Daniel Spence, rejected by Reading. Midfielder Matthew Richards, winger Nathan Woolfe who started out at Bolton. Adriano Moke, formerly on Nottingham Forest books.

All but two of the team is English or Irish. Rejects of our system, trying to relaunch careers on an unusual stage.

In the stands overseeing the team is former England boss Glenn Hoddle. Nigel Spackman, Graham Rix and Dave Beasant take turns on the ­touchline.

Hoddle is at the centre of a pioneering experiment that gives a fresh chance to a handful of teenage casualties of our youth system, and provides the Spanish lower league with a fascinating English dimension.

The young lads, who during the week train at the Glenn Hoddle Academy, have just battled out a feisty 3-3 draw against Ayamonte, another small step in their education. Hoddle provides the players for Jerez Industrial, a small outfit in the sherry making lands of Andalucia, and picks the team. The club benefits from getting an entire playing staff for free.

Hoddle takes English lads who were kicked out of the game at 18 and gives them a second chance. The hope is they will develop with twice-daily coaching in a beautiful sunny climate, and win professional contracts around Europe.

For the first couple of years Hoddle worked on his squad, they played friendly games to showcase players to scouts. The most notable success so far has been Ikechi Anya, who landed a two-year deal at Sevilla, and is now on loan at Celta Vigo.

But this season is different. Hoddle helped rescue Jerez. They were about to fold in July, when the former Spurs and Chelsea boss offered to provide a 22-man squad from his academy free of charge, ready for league action.

And six games into the season, the Brits of Jerez Industrial are fifth in the league, with promotion the aim.

Hoddle could probably find easier ways to make a living. He has had 26 job offers in the last three years, but is committed to the project he dreamed up as a boss in the 1990s charges with the “horrible” task of telling teenagers they were not going to be kept on.

He said: “We ­basically saved Jerez from going under. Financially helped them out. And we have filled their squad so they don’t have to pay them contracts.

“It’s a cheap way for them to survive, and it’s a good way for us to play competitive ­football.

“How have the locals taken to having a bunch Englishmen playing for their team? Very well. When we first arrived they had a reception for us. They made it known they were grateful.

“It’s been very positive. Lots of people come up to us to say they are pleased we have kept the right habits on the pitch. We are playing in a technical way. They are impressed at how we pass the ball.

“I think they have this idea abroad of English football being direct all the time. It’s not true 100 per cent, and has been in people’s minds for years. We try to play from the back and have started well. We’ve two Spanish players. The other 20 are English or Irish.

“I have to protect the development of my lads rather than get carried away winning football matches.

“I’m overseeing everything. They have a manager who we work with through the week. I pick the team, but I’m not on the bench. We look at the group in the week, and work out the team.

“We don’t own the club. It’s a ­showcase, a competitive game at the end of the week, the icing on the cake.”

He set up the Glenn Hoddle Academy, a live-in base at the ­Montecastillo Resort in June 2008. He explained: “The first seed of the academy was in the early 90s.

“As a manager I kept having to do this horrible thing – telling 18 and 19 year olds they’re not going to be signed on. It happened every year and it was then that I thought it was far to young to judge these lads, they were still maturing.

“Football is a harsh world and you have to grow up quickly. It is OK for the likes of Rooney, Owen and Ferdinand, who will be fast-tracked, and rightly so because they are special players. But there are a lot of players who I felt needed more time, and that football would lose some talent at these ages.

“I always thought one day I would try and do something about that. It took 18 months to put together. It was right for me and for English football.”

Hoddle’s managerial CV surely means he could land a cushier job elsewhere. He has bossed Swindon, Chelsea, England, Southampton, Spurs and most recently Wolves, four years ago.

He added: “I didn’t do this to replace management. I feel it’s right for me at the moment. We’re opening a second academy in South Africa. I spoke at SoccerEx and have expressions of interest from 62 countries. We’ve 2,000 kids on our website asking for trials. It’s changing people’s lives.

“For me doing that’s more important than winning medals and cups.

“I’ve had lots of offers in the couple of years we’ve been doing this. But I owe it to myself and the hard work the staff have put in to stay and do this. I feel very fulfilled at the moment.

“You couldn’t do this and a club job together. An international job yes. If in 18 months’ time I think I could go back and work, if the offer was there, do an international job.”

So Hoddle’s will continue on his mission abroad? “The first five games with Jerez were been like a pre-season for us. We are doing OK.

“The main thing is the way we play. They have a Spanish coach and assistant. We have Rix, Spackman and Beasant who rotate and go on the bench for two games at a time. I oversee it all in the stand. It’s a great experiment.

“I think we’ve hit on something. I can see how this blueprint helps a club. It’s thrown up a few positives and I bet people are looking at it and thinking this could work.

“We can’t get all the lads back into the game. We’ve said that to them. We can’t guarantee it. But we can guarantee they will improve.”

http://tinypic.com/r/s0wvar/7 (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 9 October 2010 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link

That's really excellent. Who knew?

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 9 October 2010 16:05 (thirteen years ago) link

Anyone who plays Football Manager. I'm forever knocking back invites to play a friendly with the Glen Hoddle Academy.

away from football we're perfectly nice gentlemen (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 9 October 2010 16:12 (thirteen years ago) link

Altho that article has fleshed in a lot of details.

away from football we're perfectly nice gentlemen (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 9 October 2010 16:12 (thirteen years ago) link

they've all made mistakes in a previous career imo

i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Saturday, 9 October 2010 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link

Let's not bring that story back to life.

away from football we're perfectly nice gentlemen (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 9 October 2010 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link

i always accept playing the gh academy - even found a 2 star regen playing them one time! made about three million on him iirc.

http://tinypic.com/r/s0wvar/7 (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 9 October 2010 18:22 (thirteen years ago) link

chamakra

i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Saturday, 9 October 2010 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link

I've got Lineker's show on in the background just now - a nice little detail I hadn't noticed is the caption 'Michael Owen, England 1998-2008'. I guess that's official then.

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 10 October 2010 10:14 (thirteen years ago) link

Lineker doc was hilarious. Show would be lost if Eng were humiliated like this after 2006: er...Italy, yeah Inter Milan have...mostly foreign players, the league is corrupt etc etc. The whole doc rested on an Eng-Spain comparison.

Martin Samuel otm: all English in the 70s and 80s, zilch on the pitch.

Best thing on it was Mourinho's 'every policeman pulling together' speech.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 10 October 2010 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link

Jose's perception of the country was a bit strange all round: "One thing I know - every Englishman ... is a very proud Englishman"

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 10 October 2010 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link

Actually, my absolute favourite thing might've been the footage of Venables coaching at Barca, all eye movement and gesticulation ("'e trie'a cover that, cover that, cover that ... 'e covered nothing") - and then the poor translator having to run in and reenact the whole thing in Spanish.

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 10 October 2010 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link

Has it ever occurred to anyone in the English games that if foreign players can come to England, English players can equally go and play in foreign?

Rohan Ricketts has just been on Talk Of The Terrace on ESPN, currently plays for Dacia Chisinau in Moldova. Also said there might be a chance for him to join a German team.

Presenters asked Stephen... (didn't recognise him) if he ever fancied playing abroad. He said he had the chance to go to France but he preferred the British game, and that his style of play would have resulted in a few more bookings abroad.

The referee was perfect (Chris), Monday, 18 October 2010 18:36 (thirteen years ago) link

Going to play in Moldova is pretty hardcore, top respect to that lad whoever he is.

The other bloke's name wasn't Gerrard, was it?

Ismael Klata, Monday, 18 October 2010 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link

McManus? Pressley? Caldwell? Plenty crap tacklers called Stephen/Steven, tbh.

(twitter tells me it was Steve Lomas)

ailsa, Monday, 18 October 2010 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link

whoever he is?

that's only rohan bloody ricketts mate, the proto jenas

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Monday, 18 October 2010 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Steve Lomas? Really? Didn't recognise him at all.

The referee was perfect (Chris), Monday, 18 October 2010 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link

My bad - have done my research and do vaguely remember the fellow. I love the multiple levels of myth-making here:

In an reported interview with FC Dacia, Ricketts said that he has played with England at the under-18, and under-21. It is believed that Ricketts also played with the England B team as well

Ismael Klata, Monday, 18 October 2010 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link

not to mention:

American rapper 50 Cent has been seen sporting the midfielder's shirt

Ismael Klata, Monday, 18 October 2010 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link

nobody knows

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Monday, 18 October 2010 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link

Ricketts mentions 50 Cent in his latest blog.

http://www.sabotagetimes.com/football-sport/what-really-happens-when-a-manager-loses-the-dressing-room/

The referee was perfect (Chris), Monday, 18 October 2010 21:42 (thirteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool amirite?

Foster (Birmingham), Hart (Man City), Green (West Ham); Gibbs (Arsenal), Cole (Chelsea), Terry (Chelsea), Jagielka (Everton), Lescott (Man City), Richards (Man City), Ferdinand (Man Utd), Smalling (Man Utd); Walcott (Arsenal), Wilshere (Arsenal), Young (Aston Villa), Gerrard (Liverpool), Barry (Man City), Johnson (Man City), Milner (Man City), Henderson (Sunderland); Agbonlahor (Aston Villa), Bothroyd (Cardiff), Carroll (Newcastle), Crouch (Tottenham).

hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 14 November 2010 13:08 (thirteen years ago) link

More like Jay Bollocksroyd

Harry Boors (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 14 November 2010 13:10 (thirteen years ago) link

class player, if not the most consistent. has played abroad too (perugia?) so fuckit why not. england not blessed with great strikers.

carroll is england CF of ten year tenure if he can (i) cop on and (ii) avoid prejudice in the way k davies hasn't

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Sunday, 14 November 2010 15:30 (thirteen years ago) link

dunno why bother with terry gerrard ferdinand tho, developmental squad and all that.

where's thudd?

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Sunday, 14 November 2010 15:31 (thirteen years ago) link

Carroll wd be okay as an impact sub but fuck starting a target man at international level.

Harry Boors (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 14 November 2010 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link

rong

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Sunday, 14 November 2010 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link

Wd rather lose than play that way

Harry Boors (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 14 November 2010 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link

'that way' = guy that's good on ground, amazing in the air. newcastle dont play 'that way'

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Sunday, 14 November 2010 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link

Fair enough I've not been paying much attention since they stopped being lol but I think we're a bit premature with the "good enough to play for England" chat. Need to suck it and see.

I've seen moments of class from Bothroyd but they've been sandwiched between hours of poncing about doing fuck all.

Harry Boors (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 14 November 2010 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link

i disagree with the 'wait and see' approach. given the level of talent these guys must have to get to the level they do, (trusting a lot here, out of character) i think form >>>>>> every other aspect of the striker's art.

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Sunday, 14 November 2010 15:46 (thirteen years ago) link

it's the same kind of thinking that left terry, gerrard, heskey, rooney as undroppable going into the WC- 'who do we have to replace them'?- well. loads of guys, actually. get them into an england short, ask the question of both sets of players- the shirking untouchables, the flushing youth

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Sunday, 14 November 2010 15:48 (thirteen years ago) link

No, I agree Carroll deserves his chance, I just don't think him doing well is a foregone conclusion.

Harry Boors (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 14 November 2010 15:49 (thirteen years ago) link

never is. fabianski for england tbf

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Sunday, 14 November 2010 15:49 (thirteen years ago) link

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Noel 1 Silence 0 (blueski), Sunday, 14 November 2010 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link

for crouch to be in there ahead of him is shite, but then i dont get that squad tbh

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Sunday, 14 November 2010 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link

Smalling, though?

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 14 November 2010 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link

nah, not up front

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Sunday, 14 November 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link

Smalling over Jones is the most hilarious part imo.

hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 14 November 2010 18:50 (thirteen years ago) link

Just turned on ESPN to find Germany Under 21's 2-0 up on England. England appear to have Henri Lansbury in goal! Isn't he one of yours a hoy hoy and James M? Also isn't he a left winger! lol

They're showing Argentina vs. Brasil tmrw btw.

epically swindled (pandemic), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link

He... doesn't really have a position. And when I say that I mean like James Milner, not like 'he can be a goalie'. wtf.

hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 19:32 (thirteen years ago) link

goalie sent off in that game fyi

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link

He's like a new signing. LANSbury.

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 16 November 2010 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link


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