Larry Charles to direct Borat movie

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I don't nec see that as bad news (well, unless you don't live near a theater showing it). He'll get a larger % of seats filled on the opening weekend.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Middle America has yet to become aware of the character.

I'll be honest with you, kingfisher, I hadn't heard of Borat until recently.

This summer, a guy in my fantasy baseball league starting posting stuff in his "Talk Smack!" balloon like "Throw the Jew down the well!" The other managers and I went wtf, and started calling him out in the comments section. He backpedaled and said it was from "Borat". Hell, his team's name was "Borat's Ballers". I didn't know what it meant.

NOW, I've heard of the guy, but I wouldn't blame the studio for not giving it a Braveheart IV kind of opening.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I was gonna say. This is a practical move if anything.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:38 (seventeen years ago) link

If this movie is supposed to accomplish anything beyond being Teh Funny, Middle America is exactly who should see it.

Obvious and Idealistic, as that sentiment may be.

researching ur life (grady), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Idiocracy was kind of great.

Fish in a barrel and a little too self-satisfied for my taste, but kind of great nonetheless.

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:47 (seventeen years ago) link

x-posts

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Enh, I just think it would have been far funnier and better to have a flick this weird and this random getting promoted out the ass to everybody.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Exactly. But that's not necessarily a recipe for profitability.

Me = Capt. Obv.

researching ur life (grady), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:52 (seventeen years ago) link

boo.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:53 (seventeen years ago) link

This summer, a guy in my fantasy baseball league starting posting stuff in his blahblah etc..

-- Pleasant Plains /// (pleasant.plain...), October 27th, 2006 5:38 PM. (Pleasant Plains ///)

wait, back up... you fantasize about baseball?

am0n (am0n), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:55 (seventeen years ago) link

If I ever become a Crazy Billionaire To Do List Item #359:

Anonymously fund over-the-top promotion campaign for all wierd movies I fancy.

If I ever become a Crazy Billionaire To Do List Item #360:

Purchase Hellicopters and invite friends over for "Hellacopter Races."

researching ur life (grady), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link

wait, back up... you fantasize about baseball?

Sure I do. For example, in my outfield, I have a +1 Paladin in left, Miss April 1992 Cady Cantrell in center, and Creedence Clearwater Revival in right.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 27 October 2006 21:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Miss April 1992 Cady Cantrell in center

we all know she can't catch worth a shit, but can she bat?

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 27 October 2006 21:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Borat to be on Letterman Monday!!!!

researching ur life (grady), Saturday, 28 October 2006 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link

predictable:

Hollywood film company Universal is offering £22 million for the worldwide rights to the film Bruno, based on a flamboyant gay Austrian fashion reporter.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 28 October 2006 19:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Borat on Night of Too Many Stars

the facial expressions are better than the jokes

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 29 October 2006 07:06 (seventeen years ago) link

predictable FUCKING GREAT:

Hollywood film company Universal is offering £22 million for the worldwide rights to the film Bruno, based on a flamboyant gay Austrian fashion reporter.

-- kingfish prætor (jdsalmo...), October 28th, 2006.

fixed.

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Sunday, 29 October 2006 07:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Talking of Larry Charles - is there a thread for Entourage?

Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Monday, 30 October 2006 09:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Can I just add I tried to search but I got continually poxyfuled...

Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Monday, 30 October 2006 09:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Kazakhstan: still mad:

Borat beware: Accept an invitation by a top Kazakh official to find out what the country is really like and you could be in for a nasty surprise.

"I'd kill this impostor on the spot," said Eltai Muptekeyev, who makes his living in Almaty by posing for photos with a blindfolded falcon clinging to a thick leather glove on his hand.

...

Even the nation's most liberal political voice had bellicose words for Borat.

"If it happened in a country where rules are more strict than ours, there would have been a government decree to destroy Borat," said Zharmakhan Tuyakbai, leader of the opposition National Social-Democratic Party.

"Even if we set aside his (offensive) personality, he should certainly bear responsibility for his offensive words."

But some Kazakhs were starting to see the humor.

Aigul Abysheva, a third-year linguistics student at Almaty State University, said she at first was "disgusted" by Borat's jokes, especially by his "chain of importance" _ where dogs and horses are higher than women.

"But then I realized he was making fun of ignorant people, no matter where they come from," she said. "The real target of Borat's movie is a couch potato who believes that Kazakhs drink horse urine."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 19:18 (seventeen years ago) link

And there is this:

But Galymzhan Zhakiyanov, a Kazakh opposition leader, said it was only natural that Cohen should ridicule his country.

"Instead of fighting Borat we should look at other circumstances that have harmed our country's image," he told the zonakz.net liberal news Web site.

"If human rights and freedoms were not being violated, if Kazakhstan did not become famous for its corruption scandals around the world, then Sacha Cohen would've chosen some other country for his jokes."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Galymzhan Zhakiyanov OTM.

Jena (JenaP), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Aigul Abysheva OTM as well.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 19:42 (seventeen years ago) link

From the article Ned posted above.


"Our way of thinking is mostly European," said Tuyakbai, the opposition leader. "For 70 years we lived in a totalitarian state, and successfully transformed our society in just 15 years of independence."

His tone changed when the conversation turned to Borat.

"If I see him, I'll hit him in the face," he said.

Jena (JenaP), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Fallow Traveler
Pay attention to Sacha Baron Cohen's comic take on America. You might just something learn.

by J. Hoberman

Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan is funnier than its malapropic title—the audience with whom I saw the movie wasn't laughing so much as howling—and even more difficult to parse.
Eyes wide, face fixed in an avid grin, Sacha Baron Cohen's ersatz Kazakh TV reporter, the ineffably oafish Borat Sagdiyev, goes looking for America. It's a documentary of sorts. The road trip—he's afraid to fly "in case the Jews repeated their attack of 9-11"—takes him from New York to Los Angeles (where he hopes to bag Pamela Anderson) by way of Mississippi, and well beyond the boundaries of taste.

America, the "greatest country in the world" per Borat, first appears as a subway car, where the friendly Kazakh introduces himself to passengers and, as is his custom, attempts to double-kiss the men. Predictable agitation is trumped when Borat's cheap suitcase drops open to release a live chicken.

The alert viewer may glimpse director Larry Charles among the startled commuters, but by and large, Baron Cohen's lumpen performance art—replete with all manner of public display and daredevil idiocy—is skilled at concealing its tracks. In the most spectacular example, Borat's bedroom tussle with his heavyset "Kazakh" producer (Ken Davitian), caught masturbating with a picture of Pamela, escalates into a naked chase down the hotel elevator, through the lobby, and into a banquet of the local mortgage brokers' association.

Not simply a jackass, Borat (like Baron Cohen's earlier creation Ali G) specializes in one-on-ones with unwary professionals, snared by their willingness to humor a hapless foreigner and desire to appear on (even Kazakh) TV. Stooges range from a self-identified humor consultant ("Do you ever laugh on people with retardation?" Borat wonders) to a car salesman (asked if the automobile is outfitted with a "pussy magnet") to a pair of pols, former Georgia representative Bob Barr and perennial candidate Alan Keyes. What did they know—and when did they know it? Keyes realizes something before our eyes when, after a long, faux-naive account of a Gay Pride rally, Borat says, "Are you telling me that the man who tried to put a rubber fist into my anus was a homosexual?"

How does Baron Cohen keep a straight face? If ever there was a movie that demanded a documentary devoted to its making, it's this one. (Press notes assert the filmmakers were reported as terrorists and trailed by the FBI.) That both Barr and Keyes are right-wing moralizers suggests something about the Baron Cohen agenda. It's hardly coincidental that the antique store he trashes specializes in Confederate memorabilia. Interviewing "veteran feminists" or Atlanta homies, Borat baffles them with his chauvinist stupidity. But picked up by a van of South Carolina frat boys or chatting with the owner of the Imperial Rodeo, he has alarmingly little difficulty getting them to articulate the idea of reinstituting slavery or making homosexuality a capital offense.

Baron Cohen has gleefully involved the government of Kazakhstan in a campaign against Borat—showing up at the White House on the day President Bush hosted Kazakh president Nursultan Nazarbayev. But his target isn't really an imaginary version of Nazerbayev's nation (nor its enemies, the "evil nitwits" of Uzbekistan); it is rather the domain of the "great warlord Premier Bush," red states in particular. "I think the cultural differences are just vast," the Mississippi matron hosting Borat for dinner at her Magnolia Mansion (on Secession Drive) confides to the camera while her guest is away from the table. Those differences become unbridgeable when Borat returns with a stool sample, and then with the arrival of his indescribably inappropriate date—recruited from the back-page ads of the local alt-weekly.

The movie's set piece has Borat— wearing an American-flag shirt and looking like Saddam Hussein plugged into the wall—entertain a Virginia rodeo with his Kazakh version of "The Star-Spangled Banner." Borat's introductory declaration of support for America's "war of terror" gets an ovation, his fervent wish that George Bush "drink the blood of every man, woman, and child in Iraq" a slightly less enthusiastic one. The crowd starts booing, however, when they hear him sing, "Kazakhstan is the great country in the world—all other countries are run by little girls." (Borat manages to complete this anthem; a report in The Roanoke Times suggests that Baron Cohen and his crew had to be hustled out of the place before they were lynched.)

It's almost anticlimactic when Borat wanders into a Pentecostal church and, in the presence of a Mississippi congressman and justice of the state supreme court, is baptized in the spirit. "Does Jesus like me?" he cries, his impassioned babble lost in the mass glossolalia and the strident "Kazakh" fiddle music arising on the soundtrack. To what faith does Borat subscribe? It's an interesting, never answered question. At one point, he's told to shave off his mustache so that he doesn't look Muslim—"just Eye-talian." But there's no suggestion that Borat is Muslim; his only religion seems to be anti-Semitism.

Borat is not just blatant but proselytizing; his statements precipitate the latent anti-Semitism around him. (The most outrageous example, not in the film, is the widely circulated TV bit in which Borat incites the patrons of an Arizona bar to join him in singing a Kazakh folk song, "Throw the Jew Down the Well.") Small wonder the Anti-Defamation League has expressed concern. The organization deemed it unfortunate that Borat is identified with an actual nation—as though the joke would work if Baron Cohen were passing himself off as a TV reporter from Upper Slobovia—but that's a displacement. Their real anxiety is that by satirizing anti-Semitism, Borat will legitimize it.

It's a measure of Baron Cohen's dexterity that he plants his alter ego on both sides of the Jewish Question. "Kazakhstan"— actually shot in Romania—is a nightmare Eastern Europe where peasants bunk with livestock, torment Gypsies, and stage a trad- itional "Running of the Jew," chasing giant-fanged puppets through their muddy village. But as a native of this barbaric shtetl, Borat is also a non-Christian other who—by virtue of his primitive nature—ridicules the hypocrisy of the dominant social order.

The ADL identifies Baron Cohen as an "observant" Jew. (I'm not sure what that means, but it seems less revealing than the subject of his Cambridge dissertation, namely the role of Jews in the American civil rights movement.) In any case, this comic has a distinctively Jewish sensibility. As sociologist John Murray Cuddihy notes in The Ordeal of Civility, his classic account of newly enlightened Jewish thinkers assimilated into the modern world, Marx, Freud, and Claude Lévi-Strauss were all similarly obsessed with "the raw, the coarse, the vulgar, the naked" and exposing the way in which these things were sublimated by the civil "niceness" of Western culture. So too, Borat (who might add the superstitious, the stupid, the sexist, and the xenophobic to that list).

Indeed, the man who invented Borat is a masterful improviser, brilliant comedian, courageous political satirist, and genuinely experimental film artist. Borat makes you laugh but Baron Cohen forces you to think.

gear (gear), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 05:53 (seventeen years ago) link

last night's Conan appearance made me apprec the value of my "red pubis" to Kazakhs.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link

::vomit::

chaki (chaki), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link

TMI

deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:58 (seventeen years ago) link

here's the approval ratings for the day before release:
RT: 94%/100%
MC: 89%/9.5

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:43 (seventeen years ago) link

This was quite funny in parts, but my laughter felt strangely hollow, if such a thing is possible. In the end, a man acting the goat, coupled with a few Americans (not that many, in the end) caught being racist and sexist didn't add up to that much. My favourite bit was the bear and the ice-cream van kids, which was like a Perry Bible Fellowship cartoon.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Americans are sexist and racist?!?!

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm so glad there's an Englishman posing as an offensive stereotype to help me realize this.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:36 (seventeen years ago) link

What? I genuinely don't understand what you mean. That I think all Americans are sexist and racist? I don't. Not even more than in any other country. The film was him in America. Change "Americans" to "people" in my post if you want.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:39 (seventeen years ago) link

(or maybe you were just echoing what I was saying. I dunno.)

Alba (Alba), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:42 (seventeen years ago) link

The Edelstein review in NY Mag kind of summed up what I expect my reaction to the film will be, although I still intend to see it.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 3 November 2006 06:00 (seventeen years ago) link

well, the Onion liked it.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 3 November 2006 06:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I enjoyed the movie but Rosebaum's critical piece in Slate seems very much on-the-money.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Friday, 3 November 2006 10:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Armond White: Me no like..

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link

(sorry Alba I didn't mean to confuse with my sarcasm)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Armond fact check:

introduced to U.S. audiences in the music video for Madonna’s 1998 single “Music”

Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:40 (seventeen years ago) link

huh? nobody over here had any idea who the guy was until around the HBO show was announced and some early boots were circulated.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:42 (seventeen years ago) link

It's crazy that our culture is so screwed up that Armond White has a job writing film reviews.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link

(xpost) "Music" came out in 2000.

They’ve given up on the idea that pop culture can be a unifying force and so praise movies that make them feel superior to others.

If Armond really believed this, he'd consider his own status as film criticism's most prominent contrarian.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Borat doesn’t dare degrade N.Y./L.A. media-centers or their social presumptions.

Dude just watch it in a double-feature with Team America or something

nate p. (natepatrin), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link

"Borat doesn’t dare degrade N.Y./L.A. media-centers or their social presumptions."

What a moron.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link

armond white really strikes me as a despicable person

gear (gear), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:52 (seventeen years ago) link

He seems universally despised - why does he have the position he does in the first place?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link

He's just crazy. Everything is some deranged conspiracy taken to the extreme. Oh no some people find Spielberg tawdry and over-sentimental! It's not because his films sentimentalism is grating to some people. No it's because most people frothing anti-semites who are ignorant to the beautiful wonders of cinema. And only deluded pompous "liberals" from NYC/LA/SF think that anyway.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Because people read him.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:57 (seventeen years ago) link

He is probably right, though. I must hate people because I love reading him ... hating people.

(x-post) Offhand, I don't think he's ever passed off Spielberg hate as widespread anti-Semitism but rather anti-sensation, or something to that effect.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:59 (seventeen years ago) link


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