https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xluhIFKZi9M
Pretty dope, no?
― Faerie Liquide (admrl), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Sorry, I only just heard this
games is pretty beats, maybe less so than jb or mk but not as much as you guys are making it seem
youtube for reference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bd1RhWNOIo
― a sean te (samosa gibreel), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i really like that track but it's coming from a different space musically than the titular artists on this thread; it sounds, well, american, cause it is -- the loping, more hiphop derived beats, as opposed to the step rhythms of mk/jb. but this is splitting hairs. im glad all of this music exists
― teflon dawn (uptown churl), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
teflon dong
― a sean te (samosa gibreel), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah that's true about hip hop beats but hip hop beats are beats too you know. glad u like it and i am not being laughed off of this thread though :)
games is pretty ~chillwave~ tbh
― a sean te (samosa gibreel), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
that games track is cool but i still think the drums are entry-level (which is fine because it's not especially drum-focused music, and everything else is done really well).
― the parking garage has more facebook followers than my band (Jordan), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link
games has nothing to do with this bros
― cutty, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
games is 80s retro stylings, james blake and mt kimbie are looking forward not back
cutty calls it, consider it cut(t)
― Faerie Liquide (admrl), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link
this is the games jam anyway:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXWIVLrHdI8
pariah is similar to james blake and kimbie
― cutty, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 17:59 (thirteen years ago) link
cutty otm
― the parking garage has more facebook followers than my band (Jordan), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 18:06 (thirteen years ago) link
*frantically packs all worldly belongings into a suitcase, grabs a fedora and pulls it down over eyes, sniffles, suppresses a tear, takes one last mournful look upon thread, exits*
― a sean te (samosa gibreel), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link
how is that possible that someone made dupstep that is more boring than burial
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 29 September 2010 19:24 (thirteen years ago) link
how is it possible that your actual opinion is more boring than your attempted zing
― teflon dawn (uptown churl), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 19:32 (thirteen years ago) link
i think you misunderstand the term "zing"
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 29 September 2010 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link
crazy talk (^^^^^^^^^^^^), but whatevs.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 29 September 2010 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
(the "burial is boring" part, i mean).
anyway, challop noted
my problem with blake (haven't listened to mt kimble) & stuff like this is that i think the 'r&b influence' is even less present & contextually interesting in his stuff than it was in burial's stuff, outside of "archangel" -- i keep reading people talking about like, when the bass drops in this blake joint & the space opens up in that blake joint and i don't really hear what's interesting about, for instance, the 'false ending' of sorts in "i only know" -- taste is taste obv, but still i don't see what the "ideas" here are
& i know that this sort of comparing apples & oranges, or at least that this kinda dubstep (does it have a genre name? i legit don't know) & purple/wonky stuff have grown out of the same seed but now aim to do some very different things, but in stuff like joker & guido i can see the influence of shit like timbaland & other rap production & see where those dudes have used that as a launch point for their own ideas -- purple/wonky stuff seems to me like the influences are more synthesized & put to use in a more interesting & 'better' way than blake/kimble
but maybe i'm searching for things that aren't there, idk
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 29 September 2010 19:42 (thirteen years ago) link
i hear a lot of r&b and rap production influence in blake/kimbie, and maybe it's just a matter of perspective but i find their beats to be way fresher and more interesting than the stuff that's more obviously influenced by timbo/southern rap beats.
the r&b thing is pretty obvious in tracks like these below, but what really gets me about mount kimbie is their sense of structure and space. the tracks are relatively spare, but everything is exactly where it needs to be, nothing is extraneous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGvuw4s01TUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4JdN6gwotc
― the parking garage has more facebook followers than my band (Jordan), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe kimbie & blake vs joker & guido is a minimal/maximal divide, or introverted/extroverted
― the parking garage has more facebook followers than my band (Jordan), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link
idk, i love the xx -- maybe it's more about digging "sound construction" & the use of space -- i find that i like when rap/r&b productions utilize space creatively, but maybe not a whole sub-genre of music that's about the use of space
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 29 September 2010 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link
there's definitely an ambient quality to Kimbie, which is something I like about them, but it sounds like that's not your thing.
― elephant rob, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link
such awful music
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link
i feel a dance/rnb purist vs. indie dilettantes (including myself in latter) vibe to this thread. i saw blake compared to htdw the other day and while i felt that was off base, i guess maybe blake/kimbie et al are, at least for me, slightly more about atmosphere than dancing, although upthread that dude talks about blake killing a dancefloor, which, honestly, i feel like i'd have to see to believe.
when i listen to this (micro-step? ughhh) i find myself constantly enthralled by the tiny little details that jump out; when i listen to something like a crazy cousinz mix (nb i'm horribly out of 'step' with most purple/wonky/uk funky discourse) i tend to focus more on the whole track and how it moves
baja what do you dislike about it?
― teflon dawn (uptown churl), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 23:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Running with this contrast, you could say Blake/Kimbie and Joker/Guido have different intentions for their music while drawing on similar sound palettes. Jordan talks about introvert vs extrovert; I think home vs "out" also makes sense here. Kimbie especially fall into the post-ecstatic ambience of Burial etc. and I think they do it very well; the best songs on Crooks and Lovers have a more interesting construction than Burial's shuffle+smear though I wouldn't say they have quite the same emotional impact. Purple-wow tracks are plugged in to the energy of hanging out in the street, dancing in the club; listening to them at home feels almost inappropriate.
Blake's music is kind of in the middle for me - I can see it being more danceable than Kimbie, but to me it's less compelling somehow. I haven't yet heard a Blake track I really dig on (well, maybe "Footnotes"). Bear in mind I'm an "indie dilettante" in uptown churl's parlance.
― seandalai, Thursday, 30 September 2010 00:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah i feel like Blake is being slightly over-hyped for what he's done so far. For me he hasn't produced anything that's up to the standard of Mount Kimbie's first EP.
― Number None, Thursday, 30 September 2010 01:20 (thirteen years ago) link
i would agree w/ that having relistened to CMYK in light of this thread's revival
― teflon dawn (uptown churl), Thursday, 30 September 2010 01:31 (thirteen years ago) link
i bet he's going to blow up when he eventually makes his piano & untreated vocals record
― the parking garage has more facebook followers than my band (Jordan), Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:12 (thirteen years ago) link
fwiw not feeling the new one at all upon first listen. honestly my favorite blake moment is his remix of MK's "maybes"
― teflon dawn (uptown churl), Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:22 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't think pariah is nearly as interesting as these guys btw. more danceable, sure, but his sounds and ideas are way more stock.
― the parking garage has more facebook followers than my band (Jordan), Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:28 (thirteen years ago) link
(i do like the dubstepped-up amens on that new track though)
― the parking garage has more facebook followers than my band (Jordan), Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link
"crooks and lovers" = lamb (remember lamb?) for 2010
― moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 30 September 2010 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
except it's not corny bullshit?
(i didn't remember lamb, i had to youtube it)
― the parking garage has more facebook followers than my band (Jordan), Thursday, 30 September 2010 17:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Seeing Mount Kimbie tonight :D
Hope they don't sound like 2010's equivalent to Lamb, though.
― EDB, Thursday, 30 September 2010 18:29 (thirteen years ago) link
uh
it's the less tracky, song-oriented, wistful defanged indie home-listening version of popular dance music
how is it not - by definition - corny bullshit?
― moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 30 September 2010 18:56 (thirteen years ago) link
what do you mean by "defanged" exactly?
― elephant rob, Thursday, 30 September 2010 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link
they don't really write "songs"
― the parking garage has more facebook followers than my band (Jordan), Thursday, 30 September 2010 19:04 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean if mt kimbie bit your leg it wouldn't hurt (unlike if, say, dizzee rascal bit your leg)
― moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 30 September 2010 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link
they do too write "songs"
with words? that you can sing along to? like what?
― the parking garage has more facebook followers than my band (Jordan), Thursday, 30 September 2010 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link
do all songs have words?
― moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 30 September 2010 21:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I do actually sing along to "Maybes". Sounds pretty weird but whatever
― Number None, Thursday, 30 September 2010 22:06 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i mean noone wanted to say "IDM" did they ...
still, a little disappointed we're revisiting this debate in 2010. baja do you only listen to "pure" forms of every genre? or do you only listen to dj mixes of club tracks?
― teflon dawn (uptown churl), Thursday, 30 September 2010 22:21 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm probably not especially qualified to make this assertion, but it does seem that Lamb, as a poppy-ish, more fluffy take of drum n' bass as a post dn'b thins maps on pretty well to the fact that mount kimbie is a poppy, more fluffy take on dubstep, as a post-dubstep thing.
it's the less tracky, song-oriented, wistful defanged indie home-listening version of popular dance musicCan't help but agree with this, though it doesn't impede my enjoying it.
Okay, I haven't actually heard their album yet, so who knows.
― EDB, Friday, 1 October 2010 00:06 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't see it as reviving any old debate so much as ongoing trolling stretching from crap like "microgoth" and "soft sad techno" all the way to abominations like this thread.
the jr boys had 1 good song, get over it
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 1 October 2010 03:31 (thirteen years ago) link
oh no he dint!
― cutty, Friday, 1 October 2010 04:35 (thirteen years ago) link
<3
Oh great vahid's "home listening" rant again
― bike chain dust? (lukas), Friday, 1 October 2010 06:47 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost to baja
haha ok man if it makes u feel good inside troll up this thread
fwiw i love listening to hardcore dance music at home. i hate the idea that all home music has to be low-key or something
but obviously there are extra-musical concerns playing out here, so, yeah.
― teflon dawn (uptown churl), Friday, 1 October 2010 15:02 (thirteen years ago) link