gomorrah is a p good mob movie that doesnt romanticize the mob much. really at all.
though i think a lot of ppl around here hated it.
― max, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:44 (thirteen years ago) link
oh for sure.
dont get me wrong, i agree.
but i still think people like to dwell on the warm family stuff.
― If Airplanes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport (s1ocki), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:44 (thirteen years ago) link
people def vibe off the power of goodfellas, but theres an absence of romantic longing - also in godfather love theres an aspect of we all know and agree this is THE quality filmmaking isnt that great, which grates - feel like w/goodfellas theres more sheer delight
i dont think these problems totally indict the godfathers or anything, but they certainly spark suspicion that there might be something deeply lame going on
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:44 (thirteen years ago) link
ya gomorrah rather aggressively tries to de-romanticize it.
i mean godfather is a fall from grace movie. vito's era is definitely seen as a golden age.
― If Airplanes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport (s1ocki), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Did Tommy tell you about my painting?
Look at this.
It's beautiful.
One dog goes one way andthe other goes the other.
One's facing east, the other west.
He's saying, "Whaddya want from me?"The guy's got a nice head of white hair.
Beautiful. The dog looks the same.
― chrisv2010, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:45 (thirteen years ago) link
gomorrah more like boremorrah
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:45 (thirteen years ago) link
longing for an era when both dogs went the same way
― If Airplanes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport (s1ocki), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:46 (thirteen years ago) link
*sniffle*
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:46 (thirteen years ago) link
canonical films with romantic longing arouse the suspicion they might be lame, gotcha
― da croupier, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:46 (thirteen years ago) link
"Don't you try to sell me your false bill of goods, Welles!"
― da croupier, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:47 (thirteen years ago) link
i didnt say that...?
― If Airplanes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport (s1ocki), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:47 (thirteen years ago) link
just tryin to unpack the gfather's appeal a bit. and thats definitely a part of it.
― If Airplanes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport (s1ocki), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:48 (thirteen years ago) link
There's a powerful documentary influence throughout "Goodfellas," and a lot of the camerawork and visual devices (freeze frames and title cards) make that lineage clear.
matt zoller seitz more like matt making up ignorant bullshit seitz
― l'avventura: pet detective (history mayne), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:48 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry slock, was an xpost to ice cream people def vibe off the power of goodfellas, but theres an absence of romantic longing - also in godfather love theres an aspect of we all know and agree this is THE quality filmmaking isnt that great, which grates - feel like w/goodfellas theres more sheer delight
― da croupier, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:48 (thirteen years ago) link
IM SRY DA CROUPIER THAT U R A SAD OLD ITALIAN TYPE GUY WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN CROSSES TO BARE HERE LISTEN TO THIS VIOLIN MUSIC
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:48 (thirteen years ago) link
neither side of that Salon debate impressed me too greatly
xpost whatsamattayou
― da croupier, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:49 (thirteen years ago) link
"Lay off the drugs. They're turnin' your mind into mush."
― raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:49 (thirteen years ago) link
donnie brasco, not a great movie but not terrible, does well w this de-romanticising aspect imho - pacino sitting round in a slobby tracksuit, a penny-pinching leech and kinda stoopid w it
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:56 (thirteen years ago) link
the problem with chasing a film that successfully deromanticizes the mob is you're chasing a film that makes organized crime look boring and unpleasant. enjoy that ride!
― da croupier, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:59 (thirteen years ago) link
as far as the eras go the mob had more power in godfathers time and less in brascos w/goodfellas being in the middle - i dont particularly buy that they were ever as refined as the godfather but they were at that point a ridiculously prominent criminal enterprise, some say wired all the way up to the presidency - by the time brasco rolled around they were much diminished
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 14:00 (thirteen years ago) link
casino
― chrisv2010, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 14:02 (thirteen years ago) link
by the time brasco rolled around they were much diminished
thanks to the powerful investigative acumen of film critics
― raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 14:02 (thirteen years ago) link
'the godfather' is about the top men in one of the five families, 'goodfellas' not really. de niro and henry aren't even made men.
― l'avventura: pet detective (history mayne), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 14:03 (thirteen years ago) link
what i mean is: the protagonists in 'the godfather' don't get their hands so directly dirty
ya all u see in goodfellas is their immediate bosses. it never goes all the way up.
― If Airplanes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport (s1ocki), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 14:19 (thirteen years ago) link
do we know what paulies rank is
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 14:22 (thirteen years ago) link
ambassador to the court of st james
― If Airplanes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport (s1ocki), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 14:23 (thirteen years ago) link
wikipedia says capo (I checked when Morbz complained Vito's stance on drugs has more consequence than Pauly's - well, duh)
― da croupier, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 14:24 (thirteen years ago) link
the sopranos best shows the revenue decline in the five families, johnny sacramoni is an underboss and he gets all about a maserati and a mcmansion
― The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 14:28 (thirteen years ago) link
[all excited about]
'the godfather' is about the top men in one of the five families, 'goodfellas' not really. de niro and henry aren't even made men....ya all u see in goodfellas is their immediate bosses. it never goes all the way up.
I've always found this interesting about Scorsese's gangster movies - sequentially they climb the mafia's ladder of power in terms of who they focus on (Mean Streets = bottom-feeding street thugs, Goodfellas = foot soldiers in a crew, Casino = middle management/capos), but he never goes all the way to the top. In all of those movies you catch glimpses of the old guys in the back room, counting the money, quietly running the show, but they are always in the background. I'd initially hoped that Gangs of New York was gonna be the story about that generation of guys, the proto=Godfather types, but that isn't how it worked out. Maybe Marty feels Scorsese already covered that ground as well as possible, and just doesn't want to bother or it isn't interesting to him anymore...
― Gene Shalit in a Child's Sailor Hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link
er COPPOLA
― Gene Shalit in a Child's Sailor Hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:43 (thirteen years ago) link
i think those guys are just less interesting. they're just rich guys who let everyone else do the bad stuff for them.
― If Airplanes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport (s1ocki), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:46 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm guessing its both the sense that Godfather told that story well enough and his general identification with the class of mobster that still has to deal with Joe Pesci
― da croupier, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:48 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i mean the story of anyone's rise is always gonna be more interesting than the point at which they get to lounge by the pool (or lounge in the dingy backroom of a grocery store) and count their winnings.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:48 (thirteen years ago) link
and yet Hannibal Rising is not more interesting than Hannibal
― da croupier, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:49 (thirteen years ago) link
the departed is about an actual #1 thug, but then the provincial character kinda detracts from it
if he wants to do a film about an actual capo di tutto type then that wd be great...
― The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:49 (thirteen years ago) link
i blame that on the lack of scorsese's mom. xp
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah obviously I don't mean that the story should be told about their fat-old-rich period, but their rise to power. altho the Sopranos starts with Tony at the top, and that was pretty genius. but maybe it's just well-travelled territory, not worth bothering..
xp
― Gene Shalit in a Child's Sailor Hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link
seriously i may like her more in casino where she's shushing everyone all the time
different setting from the others altogether tho (Boston/Irish Mafia + mostly being about cops/informers)
― Gene Shalit in a Child's Sailor Hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link
considering how much narration is in Casino, Scorsese's mom didn't shush nearly enough
― da croupier, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link
all the scenes in the grocery store are A+++
― Gene Shalit in a Child's Sailor Hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link
she's also about the only thing i like in casino other than the fatty ham of james woods' performance.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah this is neither here nor there but i dunno how anyone gets an hour into casino
― da croupier, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link
― Gene Shalit in a Child's Sailor Hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:50 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
he's not really at the top - the whole first season is the struggle for bosshood, and he never really gets there
― If Airplanes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport (s1ocki), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link
casino starts great but just goes completely to hell
casino has some really great scenes but doesn't hang together too well
― Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile (dayo), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:54 (thirteen years ago) link
it's like they fucked it all up in the end
― ('_') (omar little), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:54 (thirteen years ago) link