Dude didn't you hear Bush's 2001 State of the Union, it's hydrogen cars for everyone
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 17:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Ed, good luck with that. See: Tesla Motors. Their best shot is to license their technology to a major player. Without massive economies of scale, purchasing leverage, and platform sharing, your company that's actually worth something couldn't bring a Honda Civic to market for under $50K sticker. At which price the American consumer would promptly throw up all over it even if you could steal 40 years of brand equity and call it a Honda Civic. Sorry.
Tracer, I hope to god Bush is right. Especially in growing auto markets where the petroleum infrastructure isn't already massively built out (India, China) it could really be a godsend.
The infrastructure's the biggest challenge at this point. I assume you know that hydrogen cars are already on the road in SoCal: http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/
― Passenger 57 (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:05 (fifteen years ago) link
Tracer, I hope to god Bush is right.
uh-oh!
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:09 (fifteen years ago) link
blind squirrels and nuts and all that
― Passenger 57 (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:15 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't really have anything to add here other than the sinking suspicion that our country's collapse is inevitable and we should be planning on how we are going to bounce out of the wreckage rather than hopelessly trying to stop it. Fucked if I know how to make that bounce, though.
― Black Seinfeld (HI DERE), Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Start by rolling back interest rates, which will inflate prices in the housing sector. Americans will be able to borrow against their rising home equity at advantageous rates, and the perception of growing wealth will encourage them to spend, spend, spend. That should give the ol' economy a nice kick in the pants!
― Passenger 57 (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:30 (fifteen years ago) link
http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=522edbf93c4b8c93_landing
― Kerm, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:31 (fifteen years ago) link
I really hope you're joking
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:32 (fifteen years ago) link
you could start by not raping this generation of american workers, who are already under record amounts of individual debt, for the sake of their parents' retirement.
Fuck a poorly run company, fuck a union that works pretty much exclusively for a poorly run company, and fuck states that thrive off poorly run companies.
http://www.hbo.com/thewire/img/episodeguide/season01/ep05_omar_walk_street.jpg
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:35 (fifteen years ago) link
xpost to dan re "how to make bouncie?"
One nationUnder GodIndivisibleWith liberty and justice for all
― Black Seinfeld (HI DERE), Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:36 (fifteen years ago) link
> Start by rolling back interest rates, which will inflate prices in the housing sector. Americans will be able to borrow against their rising home equity at advantageous rates, and the perception of growing wealth will encourage them to spend, spend, spend. That should give the ol' economy a nice kick in the pants!
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:32 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I lolled.
― UEK - Big Tempin' (Oilyrags), Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:38 (fifteen years ago) link
you know what is amazing? the new york subway system is FUCKED. they may close the W line. they're going to halve the G line. they're going to reduce the number of trains between 2am and 5am. they're closing hundreds of booths and laying off hundreds of attendants. this is after more than a decade of unprecedented growth in the financial capital of the world. and THE STATIONS STILL LOOK AND SMELL LIKE SEWERS.
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:38 (fifteen years ago) link
oh no we'll definitely send millions of our boys to get murdered to keep that indivisible bit, even if the chunk that's trying to leave is the poorly-run-enterprise chunk
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:38 (fifteen years ago) link
it just seems like the old "fix the roof when the sun is shining" thing never really caught on in the old usa
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:39 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm sympathetic to the idea Tombot expresses - though I'd put it more in terms of not screwing future generations of taxpayers who are going to have to pay off the deficits that we are running up today. I think the idea that you don't worry about deficits when you're in a recession is nice and all, but I think we've used up our credibility in that area by continuing to run up deficits in good times and bad over the past 8 years. I wish I could be more confident that we'll get serious about the deficit (including the looming entitlement deficit) once the economy turns around.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:39 (fifteen years ago) link
tracer come on man sewers don't have little laser-printed signs taped up everywhere telling you that THIS LETTER OF THE ALPHABET WILL ACT LIKE THIS OTHER LETTER OF THE ALPHABET FOR THE NEXT THREE DAYS EXCEPT AT NIGHT
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:39 (fifteen years ago) link
that is a good point.
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:42 (fifteen years ago) link
THX 4 YR CONCERN LONDON AND DC DUDES
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:43 (fifteen years ago) link
btw tombot u know why the trains are always getting rerouted - it is because they run 24/7 and need to be worked on some time - also you dont have to swipe on the way out
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:44 (fifteen years ago) link
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/eb/If_you_don
― Passenger 57 (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:44 (fifteen years ago) link
you guys, they spend lots of money getting that just-pissed-on look and feel down pat, show some appreciation
― Black Seinfeld (HI DERE), Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:44 (fifteen years ago) link
u are allowed to at while u ride and none of them are the green line
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:45 (fifteen years ago) link
i've seen moss in the nyc subway. MOSS.
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:45 (fifteen years ago) link
eat while u ride
now wait a minute, what?
― Kerm, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:46 (fifteen years ago) link
all this shit could have been avoided with a congestion charge.
there are some billboards promoting the c-charge still up in east new york, it's pretty sad
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Of course it's not enough money non-shockahhttp://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/bailout-funds-for-gm-may-fall-short-analyst-says/
― Dandy Don Weiner, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Haha I am not making any type of argument for the supremacy of Boston public transit! I would gladly trade up to "just-pissed-on" from "just-pissed-puked-shat-and-menstruated-on".
― Black Seinfeld (HI DERE), Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:47 (fifteen years ago) link
yo joe you can't DRINK on the subway, though - a disgraceful situation
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:48 (fifteen years ago) link
wait now I don't know if I'm describing Boston or Philly
― Black Seinfeld (HI DERE), Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:48 (fifteen years ago) link
agreed drinking should be allowed everywhere
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:51 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't hear the beverage industry crying to warshington for handouts!
― Passenger 57 (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:52 (fifteen years ago) link
youre sort of allowed to drink on the subway
― :) Mrs Edward Cullen XD (max), Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:55 (fifteen years ago) link
jsut like youre sort of allowed to smell like shit and have no pants on and sleep at 2 in the afternoon sprawled out on four cars headed out to far rockaway
― :) Mrs Edward Cullen XD (max), Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:56 (fifteen years ago) link
uh four seats
lol reed richards is a homeless person
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:58 (fifteen years ago) link
Surely he could construct a home out of his own body?
― Nicolars (Nicole), Wednesday, 19 November 2008 19:03 (fifteen years ago) link
are you hungover Tombot?
― Dandy Don Weiner, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 19:03 (fifteen years ago) link
we gonna die. dow below 8000. everyone panic!
― mayor jingleberries, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 21:15 (fifteen years ago) link
eurgh
nasdaq is down 47% this year
― _/(o_o)/¯ (deej), Wednesday, 19 November 2008 21:19 (fifteen years ago) link
I would gladly trade up to "just-pissed-on" from "just-pissed-puked-shat-and-menstruated-on".
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 21:19 (fifteen years ago) link
NASA has a solution.
― Kerm, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 21:38 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't know what this means but it looks crazy.
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/adj-and-req-reserves.png
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 20 November 2008 18:16 (fifteen years ago) link
haha thats my feeling about 90% of graphs i see on this thread
― :) Mrs Edward Cullen XD (max), Thursday, 20 November 2008 18:17 (fifteen years ago) link
o no where are those lines going!
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 20 November 2008 18:21 (fifteen years ago) link
come back we need u!
i bought more berkshire
http://i37.tinypic.com/124wz79.jpg
― bnw, Thursday, 20 November 2008 20:59 (fifteen years ago) link
The Dow Jones industrial average (INDU) lost 350 points or over 3% with less than 30 minutes left in the session.
The Standard & Poor's 500 (SPX) index lost 4.3% and the Nasdaq composite (COMP) lost almost 3%.
While there's no sense of panic at the moment, there's also no eagerness to step in and buy, said Tom Schrader, managing director at Stifel Nicolaus.
"The wealth destruction is phenomenal," Schrader said.
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 20 November 2008 21:12 (fifteen years ago) link
"wealth destruction!" they should call it "dream destruction" so people would realize what's really at stake here
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 20 November 2008 21:13 (fifteen years ago) link