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― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Q: Do you see any reason for hope?A: I just saw (former Pink Floyd leader) Roger Waters’ “The Wall” tour last night and it’s really beautiful. It had images of the war I Iraq and was updated to a modern context that made it timely. This guy is still out there and doing it. What the (expletive) are we doing? That’s what my heroes are supposed to do -- stick their boots up my (behind), and say: “What the (expletive) are you doing?I have to figure out how to do it my own way. I don’t want to do it the way somebody else has. What’s an appropriate artistic response (to today’s problems)? Talk about an underwhelming generation. If you want to be really clear, once Kurt Cobain killed himself (in 1994), our generation has been lost trying to find anybody willing to be a point person. Who has stepped up from my generation and meant anything, to anybody other than themselves? I can’t think of anybody. I’ve tried many times but failed. I’m not impressed with my generation. What started off like a good idea turned into a joke. At least I have enough pride to go out and make something. But what the (expletive) happened? Sitting and watching “The Wall,” in hindsight, this appears to be a master work , especially when you see it staged. It has been 30 years since “The Wall” (debuted) and what has anybody done since then that’s been close to this as a cultural critique?
A: I just saw (former Pink Floyd leader) Roger Waters’ “The Wall” tour last night and it’s really beautiful. It had images of the war I Iraq and was updated to a modern context that made it timely. This guy is still out there and doing it. What the (expletive) are we doing? That’s what my heroes are supposed to do -- stick their boots up my (behind), and say: “What the (expletive) are you doing?
I have to figure out how to do it my own way. I don’t want to do it the way somebody else has. What’s an appropriate artistic response (to today’s problems)? Talk about an underwhelming generation. If you want to be really clear, once Kurt Cobain killed himself (in 1994), our generation has been lost trying to find anybody willing to be a point person. Who has stepped up from my generation and meant anything, to anybody other than themselves? I can’t think of anybody. I’ve tried many times but failed.
I’m not impressed with my generation. What started off like a good idea turned into a joke. At least I have enough pride to go out and make something.
But what the (expletive) happened? Sitting and watching “The Wall,” in hindsight, this appears to be a master work , especially when you see it staged. It has been 30 years since “The Wall” (debuted) and what has anybody done since then that’s been close to this as a cultural critique?
How about Melon Collie and the Infinite Sadness a/k/a The Wall for Generation X? Dude has such a fricking Wall thing. What an awful album. I'm so glad his band doesn't sound anything like Pink Floyd.
― people for the slutty/common/american way (kkvgz), Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:23 (thirteen years ago) link
I like The Wall!
― lookin qwyte (crüt), Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:24 (thirteen years ago) link
The Wall is over admired, sure, but it still stands up as a pretty great album.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Sorry dudes. For me, the Wall is one of those double-albums that I could reduce to a maxi-single
― people for the slutty/common/american way (kkvgz), Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:31 (thirteen years ago) link
A task made even more difficult because much of the best material is overplayed, e.g. Run Like Hell is an awesome song, but I have absolutely no need to hear it again, such has it been seared into my brain.
― people for the slutty/common/american way (kkvgz), Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:33 (thirteen years ago) link
It has been 30 years since “The Wall” (debuted) and what has anybody done since then that’s been close to this as a cultural critique?
Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Finally Pumpkins news I was curious about, reissue campaign starts later this year with unreleased stuff and continues through 2013. Most exciting parts - unreleased stuff from the vaults, hints at the last Metro show, remastered and (possibly) remixed Machina all as one big set, among other things.
Video here.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 29 April 2011 04:22 (thirteen years ago) link
WARNING: Must sit through 4 minutes of Corgan talking at you.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 29 April 2011 04:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Which is why I'm not clicking on that link.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 April 2011 04:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Reasons to still enjoy the Smashing Pumpkins:1. "Glynis"2. "Home" from Machina 23. The enduringly lovely and heartfelt "Whir." I fell in love with this song at age 12, and am almost 28 now. Some of the verses only hit home now, and I guess that's natural. It perfectly captures the spirit that I suppose we associate with Generation X now...but it's really just a song about being scared about responsibility and growing up.
― Sam Weller
Yes on "Glynis" and "Whir" they're one of the best things they ever did. Haven't heard "home" yet... I kind of lost interest by then. I'd add "set the ray to jerry" and several parts of the gish album on this list.
― Moka, Friday, 29 April 2011 08:11 (thirteen years ago) link
v v v glad to see Whir get so much love; I always feel like it gets overlooked or unfairly bashed, but I def think it's one of their best...I'd probably add Shame, Obscured, and Mayonnaise to the list
― Dr. Suggestban, or How I Learned to Stop etc. (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 29 April 2011 12:25 (thirteen years ago) link
also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pebJN-4qnLw
You know, this is almost par for the course now.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 19:00 (twelve years ago) link
Whoa, Kareem Abdul Jabar is 64 already?!
― Frogbs Day Afternoon (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
if i could get kareem abdul jabaar to promote something i did, i would! WE ALL WOULD. billy is just living our dreams.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
This is mad long and disjointed and repetitive, but I'm happy to count this as one more reason to illegally download Corgan's music if I feel that I need it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhVpCARW1iI&feature=player_embedded
― kkvgz, Friday, 26 August 2011 13:39 (twelve years ago) link
Hmmm. I've happily not given Corgan any money since Zeitgeist despite being a huge, huge Pumpkins fan from about 1992-2000. It would be very easy to continue, but these upcoming reissues are super tempting. I'm really tired of his asshattery though and wish he would just retire for good.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 26 August 2011 13:41 (twelve years ago) link
I stopped with the solo album (which I liked v. much, of course!). But then he revived the name and I thought, "Yeah, that was dumb."
That said the clip kkvgz linked to is another reason to let him wander off into the wilderness.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 August 2011 14:22 (twelve years ago) link
Some further context here, via A/V Club. What an asshole.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 26 August 2011 14:27 (twelve years ago) link
See, I still don't have the complete back catalog from the good years and they're actually a band that I like well enough to listen to their records from time to time.
― kkvgz, Friday, 26 August 2011 14:28 (twelve years ago) link
huh
― strident gumrakers (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 26 August 2011 14:48 (twelve years ago) link
I've said yes to photographing the Smashing Pumpkins gig in Glasgow tonight - I'm hoping that they can do some kind of justice to my teenage love of them.
― only NWOFHM! is real (krakow), Sunday, 13 November 2011 12:50 (twelve years ago) link
That Corgan is an almost insufferable ass is a given, but, if they can still deliver musically, then I may walk away happy. What is the line-up nowadays even? Anyone seen them live recently?
― only NWOFHM! is real (krakow), Sunday, 13 November 2011 12:59 (twelve years ago) link
I'd shake your hopes of them doing justice to your teenage love tbh, I think you'll be bitterly disappointed. It's not the Smashing Pumpkins anymore, it's the Billy Corgan show.
Not seen them recently. Was a huge fan up until Adore, still cherish all those albums, but everything after that is a bag of self-indulgent shite. Expect nothing and you might get something out of it :)
― Y Kant Lou Reed (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 13 November 2011 13:32 (twelve years ago) link
Wise words.
I saw them in 2008 or so, whenever Chamberlin was back on board for a while, and actually really enjoyed it, at least the older songs.
― only NWOFHM! is real (krakow), Sunday, 13 November 2011 13:40 (twelve years ago) link
it bears reposting:
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― Obama's metrosexual cool (crüt), Sunday, 13 November 2011 13:47 (twelve years ago) link
Haha!
― only NWOFHM! is real (krakow), Sunday, 13 November 2011 13:48 (twelve years ago) link
when i saw them last year, it was a decent show, with Billy on his best behavior and a handful of peak era songs ("Hummer" sounded great that night), but that new kid on drums is just not up to filling Jimmy's shoes. i was just talking to a friend who saw them more recently and it sounded like a bit more of a drag, only like three big singles from the old days.
― some dude, Sunday, 13 November 2011 14:21 (twelve years ago) link
Recent setlists look pretty good: http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/the-smashing-pumpkins/2011/o2-apollo-manchester-manchester-england-53d18721.html
I'm well up for hearing old but non-singles tracks like Frail & Bedazzled, Silverfuck, Thru The Eyes Of Ruby and such.
― only NWOFHM! is real (krakow), Sunday, 13 November 2011 14:25 (twelve years ago) link
yeah holy shit that setlist looks great
― Obama's metrosexual cool (crüt), Sunday, 13 November 2011 14:26 (twelve years ago) link
I actually have to agree when I start thinking about those older songs. I was so pleased with the older album tracks & oddities that they played in 2008. I remember Drown being rather great.
― only NWOFHM! is real (krakow), Sunday, 13 November 2011 14:33 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i heard "Drown" on the radio yesterday and i never get tired of that song
actually looking at the setlist from the show my friend saw they are playing a lot of great oldies, he just doesn't know their albums well enough to recognize all of them.
still, listening to their new drummer try to play stuff like "Cherub Rock" is just kinda sad.
― some dude, Sunday, 13 November 2011 14:36 (twelve years ago) link
Apparently the sets are >2hrs, so hoping for some good jamming on Silverfuck et al.
Manchester videos sound decent - tagging the 'I Am One' riff onto the end of 'Thru The Eyes Of Ruby' is cool...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynaaopfBdzI
― only NWOFHM! is real (krakow), Sunday, 13 November 2011 14:40 (twelve years ago) link
OK banter at the start of the encore even, though apparently it was literally the only time anyone spoke at all... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bjvbLJ2w1U
― only NWOFHM! is real (krakow), Sunday, 13 November 2011 14:48 (twelve years ago) link
locutus of corg was very chatty at the show i saw, like he was really trying to prove he had a sense of humor
― some dude, Sunday, 13 November 2011 15:00 (twelve years ago) link
Those first three Pumpkins albums are absolutely superb, IMO. I can't take 'Adore' and 'MACHINA' in one sitting, but there's more than a handful of songs that I love on each. I haven't heard anything that Corgan has done since resurrecting the Pumpkins name, though - the Zwan album was the last thing he was responsible for that I purchased, which I thought had its moments but very rarely gets dug out for a spin.
― Turrican, Sunday, 13 November 2011 16:04 (twelve years ago) link
It was actually really great! I had a brilliant time!
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― only NWOFHM! is real (krakow), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:57 (twelve years ago) link
Great! :)
― Y Kant Lou Reed (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 14 November 2011 07:23 (twelve years ago) link
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EMI Label Services/Caroline Distribution has announced that it has entered into an exclusive agreement with Martha’s Music to release the highly anticipated album from THE SMASHING PUMPKINS entitled OCEANIA on June 19th, 2012. The agreement covers the world excluding Canada, Brazil and Australia.
Produced by THE SMASHING PUMPKINS’ frontman Billy Corgan, OCEANIA is an intense and dynamic offering that will appeal to new and existing fans of THE SMASHING PUMPKINS alike. OCEANIA, the band’s 7th studio record, is “an album within an album,” part of their 44-song work-in-progress TEARGARDEN BY KALEIDYSCOPE.
Peter Katsis, manager of SMASHING PUMPKINS for Prospect Park, added: “The Smashing Pumpkins created Oceania as an album experience, and it is intended for the process of the release to follow a path of inclusion, so that best efforts are made for all the fans hear it at the same time as press or radio. We were excited to find partners in EMI Label Services that were equally passionate about the plan for the album release as well as being huge fans of the Pumpkins.”
in other words, this is likely a steaming pile of shit and we don't want to let reviews come out ahead of release date
― stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 00:44 (twelve years ago) link
lmao I didn't realize his new band was just a bunch of younger doppelgangers of the old Pumpkins
― Hungry4Games (crüt), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 00:55 (twelve years ago) link
p much
― stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 00:59 (twelve years ago) link
except the chamberlain looking dude is the guitarist
oh my gawd
― ilxor, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 01:36 (twelve years ago) link
While I enjoyed seeing them live last year, I cannot recall any of the new songs in the slightest and I can't help but be very pessimistic about this new album.
― brain (krakow), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 07:05 (twelve years ago) link
TEARGARDEN BY KALEIDYSCOPE
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 07:18 (twelve years ago) link
their 44-song work-in-progress TEARGARDEN BY KALEIDYSCOPE
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 07:19 (twelve years ago) link
I'd listen to the nu-Pumpkins if they sounded like Tear Garden.
― Hungry4Games (crüt), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 07:20 (twelve years ago) link
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― Mad God 40/40 (Z S), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 13:56 (eleven years ago) link
I've heard many reports that this thing is actually really good and their best since Adore. Which, y'know, very low bar, but its enough to have me interested again.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 13:58 (eleven years ago) link