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That Pitchfork thing made Teenage Riot sound awful, but, you know what? It's actually fantastic. Your it!

I know, right?, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 02:32 (fifteen years ago) link

Hah, this is like when k3vin k3ll3r wondered how anyone could possibly dislike Belle and Sebastian

ha, i suppose the angle i was going for was that the music is rather pleasant, rather than good (which a lot of it is, imo)
i like "k3vin k3ll3r" though

Kevin Keller, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 02:35 (fifteen years ago) link

glad you do

I know, right?, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 02:40 (fifteen years ago) link

still, yeah, evol bmr and sister are all definitely better than this, hell murray st and dirty are better than this, i think goo is too....

I know, right?, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 02:40 (fifteen years ago) link

i really love kool thing tho

I know, right?, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 02:45 (fifteen years ago) link

murray street, sister and perhaps nurse could be better than this--- wait what am i doing

sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 03:13 (fifteen years ago) link

let's be friends

I know, right?, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 03:18 (fifteen years ago) link

Dunno if i'd give it a perfect rating ala p*fork, but in general this one is rated about right, methinks (i.e. it really is a goddam masterpiece and probably the best SY album. It has the highest highs, at least IMO)

Sugar hiccup, Makes a pig soar and swoon (Pillbox), Wednesday, 19 November 2008 03:19 (fifteen years ago) link

There are several better SY albums than this one. One need not look too far. That said, it definitely has its moments.

Chunk o' Funk (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Wednesday, 19 November 2008 03:25 (fifteen years ago) link

Sundar: so you agree, that liking this record is part of the definition of being an 'indie fan'? Maybe it is - I guess I'm not an indie fan anymore, if I ever was. But as I said, it is not something that I have ever heard mooted or implied as a criterion.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 12:09 (fifteen years ago) link

Ha, well, I'm not sure I am either. And I guess you're right that it certainly doesn't seem to be a requirement.;) Just in my own experience, there are many people whom I would call indie fans who don't listen to it. I'll grant that then.

Sundar, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 12:38 (fifteen years ago) link

But by the same token are there any "indie" albums that define being an indie fan? Wasn't it just a rhetorical device used by the reviewer?

Neil S, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 12:56 (fifteen years ago) link

no of course not, indie is the one genre that does not have any sort of established critical canon

With a little bit of gold and a Peja (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 19 November 2008 15:42 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

was quite a bit of DN talk on the recent "best of the 80s" thread, but that's faded out, so i thought i'd post here.

picked up a copy of the "deluxe" 4 lp box the other day, after meaning to for a couple years. listened to it several times since, though just the first two discs, the album proper. and it's been a while, probably 10 years since i owned a physical copy. it's one of those records that i loved absolutely to DEATH, in an obsessive, "this band changed my life!" sense for many years - but then kinda got tired of. or rather just didn't need to hear anymore...

anyway, i find that i still love it to death, though not as much as i once did, and that it seems narrower and tamer than it did in it's moment (in my mental version of its moment, anyway). less like a revolution and more like a rock record. i suppose that's to the band's credit, as it reflects how much they altered the landscape of the world by their presence, eventually molding it into something that might comfortably accommodate them. it's also probably a product of my growing up, the glum accumulation of smallifying perspective.

i also picked up a copy of ciccone youth's whitey album, really a sort of DN companion piece, as they were released just weeks apart. it's amazing how much brilliant material they were spinning off at that point, and with what seemingly offhand casualness. i find that i now enjoy the whitey album a great deal more than DN, probably due to its variety, experimentation and humor. DN comes across as a manifesto of sorts, as this fully developed STATEMENT, and as such it can seem a bit one-dimensional. i mean, it's a big dimension, but it's still just the one.

and that observation makes me think of evol and sister, the two records that preceded DN, and to which it inevitably gets compared by people (like me sometimes) who want to take a swing at DN's indie-canonical primacy. the main difference between DN and those two records is textural. evol's feel matches its back cover: a smeary pinkish watercolor with scrawled handwriting and a bedheaded picture of the terrifyingly young-looking band cut into the shape of a crude heart. it's hazy, gauzy, smeary and raw. it feels homemade, hacked out, almost aimless and catastrophically stoned. achy bruised like waking up the morning after a hundred drinks & smokes the night before. in some ways it's similar to DN - especially in that it maintains a darkly menacing tone throughout - but its haphazard roughness is at odds with DN's purposefulness and sleekness.

sister changed this game up by presenting a patchwork of contrasting textures. it's mock punk here, almost pop there, much more aggressive overall, but it's still got evol's gnarly, raw & tender squall as a sort of glue to hold everything together. i guess you could say that it, too, matches its cover art: an assortment of seemingly unrelated snapshots, mashed together in a psychedelic collage. most crucially to me, as a fan, it lifted the veil of cryptic gloom so that you could see a variety of contrasting personalities through the murk. it was funny, scary, ramshackle, ambitious but unfocused, dumb, smart and often all these things at once.

DN is neither wildly varied and experimental, like sister (i guess they saved the experiments & jokes for the whitey album and master-dik), nor intimate and haunting like evol. instead, it's towering, impenetrable, and very tightly controlled. the songs only wander when they intend to make a point of their wandering, the band lyrics only occasionally crack a smile, and it's very hard to tell quite what it's all about. it's easy enough to catch a few seemingly key phrases in each song, but they're slippery and oblique. the lyrics seem to be talking to themselves, rather than to you. this approach isn't alienating, in fact it's inviting in its mystery, but it does make the record seem a bit impersonal. in the liner notes, byron coley waxes mystified (and perhaps a bit conceited) about how no one ever gets the real meaning behind most of the songs - but come on dude, it's not like they were giving us much to go on.

the relative directness and humor of side 4 go a long way towards personalizing the album, and so side 4 does give lie to my earlier claim about the album's one-dimensionality, but i sometimes that feel that it's too little too late. while i love daydream nation, no question, sides 1-3 have a tendency to go by in a steel-gray blur (leftfield moments like total trash, rain king and providence excepted).

anyway, it's a magnificent album, but i can see why i've listened to it so infrequently over the past few years. it's more about the totality than the niches, implications and wanderings, so maybe when you get it, you've just got it.

a dimension that can only be accessed through self-immolation (contenderizer), Monday, 7 December 2009 09:26 (fourteen years ago) link

i kinda hinted at another big textural difference between DN & what came before in that talk about "evol's gnarly, raw & tender squall". there's a weird kind of agonized-yet-narcotized hurt present in their earlier work that DN almost entirely excises. on evol and sister, to a lesser extent, there's this weird sort of bleary, self-comforting self-laceration, like poking at a bruise to see how it's coming along, or curling into a fetal position to mitigate pain.

at the same time, evol and sister are druggy as hell, with lots of cryptic wanderings and dead-eyed psychedelic drool. that too gets scaled way back on DN, becoming more an element in the background than a real front & center focus. the devolution of total trash being the album's only real drool-out, and even that feels a bit methodical in comparison to the random scuzzed guitar hairballs that litter the previous records.

and again, the cover art is a dead giveaway for this fairly dramatic shift in focus.

a dimension that can only be accessed through self-immolation (contenderizer), Monday, 7 December 2009 19:03 (fourteen years ago) link

how can byron conley still be waxing mystified about he's the only guy who gets something? sad to hear that's still his schtick, you'd think he's have outgrown it by now.

anyway sorry to focus on that - really nice writing - this really makes me want to listen to evol again more than anything.

Brio, Monday, 7 December 2009 19:17 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

holy shit this looks bad

http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/independent/daydreamnation/

dude's name is thurston. and that quote from variety. "Juno as reimagined by david lynch or a funnier, sunnier donnie darko" barf

jaxon, Monday, 9 May 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link

this movie is sure to be . . . a riot

markers, Monday, 9 May 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link

it's going to go to the top of the box office charts like a goddamn silver rocket, i tell ya!

tylerw, Monday, 9 May 2011 21:51 (twelve years ago) link

Would actually be kinda cool if it was about mike watt trying to help thurston find his shit

Z S, Monday, 9 May 2011 22:23 (twelve years ago) link

Thurston and Watt Go To Providence
i'd buy a ticket

tylerw, Monday, 9 May 2011 22:24 (twelve years ago) link

That movie is sure to be total trash

kornrulez6969, Monday, 9 May 2011 22:25 (twelve years ago) link

four years pass...

DN is neither wildly varied and experimental, like sister (i guess they saved the experiments & jokes for the whitey album and master-dik), nor intimate and haunting like evol. instead, it's towering, impenetrable, and very tightly controlled. the songs only wander when they intend to make a point of their wandering, the band lyrics only occasionally crack a smile, and it's very hard to tell quite what it's all about. it's easy enough to catch a few seemingly key phrases in each song, but they're slippery and oblique. the lyrics seem to be talking to themselves, rather than to you. this approach isn't alienating, in fact it's inviting in its mystery, but it does make the record seem a bit impersonal. in the liner notes, byron coley waxes mystified (and perhaps a bit conceited) about how no one ever gets the real meaning behind most of the songs - but come on dude, it's not like they were giving us much to go on.

yeah weird i don't exactly follow lyrics and it ain't like thurston lee kim exactly reward lyrical attention anyway but a record like dirty, i feel like i do fundamentally get the record on a feels level and well enough on a words level

this one, couldn't really tell ya, it's just ||\\/\/\/\||//\\/\/\/|||/\/\/\/\/\/\||||||||>

j., Saturday, 28 November 2015 23:46 (eight years ago) link

The poor boy, rich boy part of the trilogy is about Robert Chambers.

Iago Galdston, Saturday, 28 November 2015 23:51 (eight years ago) link

nine months pass...

it beeetter work ouuuut

j., Thursday, 1 September 2016 16:35 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

THURSTON

WATT

THURSTON

brimstead, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 20:24 (seven years ago) link

You gotta lay off the mota; your memory goes out the fuckin' window!

spastic heritage, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 21:05 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...
five months pass...

kim's bass on 'teenage riot' starting around 5:08 so great

harm'n'killabro (rip van wanko), Monday, 5 November 2018 17:03 (five years ago) link


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