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rip rolls royce

buzza, Thursday, 23 September 2010 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link

so glad that we've moved on to debating whether or not a blogger is a sock puppet to the crucial issue of how rich Karen O is/was

keep on elevatin the discourse guys

pay to the order of Iron Balls McGinty, $1 and 9 cents (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 23 September 2010 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link

to from debating

pay to the order of Iron Balls McGinty, $1 and 9 cents (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 23 September 2010 21:52 (thirteen years ago) link

xp - dude, i just wanted to know when this chick was at Oberlin because i have friends who went there -

sarahel, Thursday, 23 September 2010 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link

she was class of '63 i think

no one was protesting when this happened to (history mayne), Thursday, 23 September 2010 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link

"keep on elevatin the discourse guys"

Wait you are posting here for the elevated discourse? Wow did you make a wrong turn somewhere.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 23 September 2010 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link

knew I shoulda taken that left turn at Albuquerque

pay to the order of Iron Balls McGinty, $1 and 9 cents (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 23 September 2010 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link

love how much this guy enrages u guys

congrats, you figured out it's a shtick. so what?

glengarry glen "ross from friends" (s1ocki), Thursday, 23 September 2010 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.optimiced.com/wp-uploads/2007/02/minuscule-tv-spider.jpg

cee-oh-tee-tee, Thursday, 23 September 2010 23:20 (thirteen years ago) link

means... something...

glengarry glen "ross from friends" (s1ocki), Thursday, 23 September 2010 23:23 (thirteen years ago) link

shtick and voice aren't the same thing. i'd never argue that the PRR guy is as entirely sincere and naively guileless as the character he seems to adopt in his writing, but that doesn't necessarily make his authorial voice fake or a shtick. rather, i think he's probably using this somewhat affected voice to honestly present (and yeah, to stylize) his own point of view. nothing necessarily wrong with this...

i will concede that i've cut the guy too much slack. i don't love his writing. the little lost elf-boy style is sometimes gratingly coy. it's an awfully tired indie trope at this point, and it tends to soft-pedal the obviousness of some of his insights (as dorianlynskey notes). but when he's writing about something that he really seems to care about, as in the lil' wayne piece, his enthusiasm and depth of feeling are both convincing and appealing. i like the way he combines the details of his own inner and outer lives with his music writing, to produce something that reads more like fiction. and i don't think it's great fiction or anything, but i have enjoyed reading it from time to time.

having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Friday, 24 September 2010 00:32 (thirteen years ago) link

and i don't know, maybe i'm just gullible...

having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Friday, 24 September 2010 00:32 (thirteen years ago) link

your search for "gullible + dictionary" = 0 results

sarahel, Friday, 24 September 2010 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link

Honest truth: I thought his Awl piece was one of the best things he's written, just as a piece of writing. Yeah, his tone's incredibly stylized, and he uses a bunch of weirdly transparent conceits, like acting guileless in order to get across a perspective. (That's sort of a clever choice for talking about music, an area that's ripe with everyone having totally different levels of guile.) But in terms of how he uses detail and pace and constructs a piece of writing ... I mean, look, on some level I would have really preferred not to think he's a good writer, you know? But he knows how to put something like this together really well, and to be honest with you he's one of very few people who have even much tried to find a way to write NARRATIVE pieces about music.

oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Friday, 24 September 2010 01:13 (thirteen years ago) link

^

sean gramophone, Friday, 24 September 2010 05:44 (thirteen years ago) link

I mean, look, on some level I would have really preferred not to think he's a good writer, you know?

this, especially

having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Friday, 24 September 2010 06:02 (thirteen years ago) link

wait, i'm enraged?

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 24 September 2010 13:52 (thirteen years ago) link

because i thought i was enjoying a trainwreck that happens to have some vague connection to one of my professional outlets.

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 24 September 2010 13:54 (thirteen years ago) link

you are the hulk, according to your user name - hulk only exists when bruce banner is enraged

glengarry glen "ross from friends" (s1ocki), Friday, 24 September 2010 14:35 (thirteen years ago) link

we've been doing couples counseling. it's been going okay.

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 24 September 2010 14:51 (thirteen years ago) link

the awl piece was the first thing of his i've read that i was actually able to get through from beginning to end and it's decently constructed, but his "point" in re cool bands of yore regaining their coolness or still being cool or whatever is shoot-me-in-the-face trite bullshit.

call all destroyer, Friday, 24 September 2010 15:07 (thirteen years ago) link

^ trigger-happy

glengarry glen "ross from friends" (s1ocki), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:09 (thirteen years ago) link

We're really lowering the bar here: writer with nothing interesting to say builds up to his nothing interesting in a nicely paced way. I've read worse writers but they're not pretending to offer ingenuous "wisdom".

Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:22 (thirteen years ago) link

Nor do they make their name with a website passing judgement on other, usually better writers.

Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:23 (thirteen years ago) link

*shoots self in face*

glengarry glen "ross from friends" (s1ocki), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:23 (thirteen years ago) link

congrats on generating interest in a terrible writer, guys

bang (HI DERE), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:25 (thirteen years ago) link

haha wow i always assumed that prr was an elaborate and not very funny joke..??! his writing hurts my head like a hundred dogs.

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link

this guy is a horrible writer

Mr. Que, Friday, 24 September 2010 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link

But he is interestingly terrible. If you can't write properly, consciously making yourself the post-Pitchfork Forrest Gump ("indie rock's like a box of chocolates - you never know what you're going to get"), and getting lots of attention out of it, is at least a novel solution.

Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:32 (thirteen years ago) link

did u ever read the one about how he used to be really fat before he got into music? it was really good!

glengarry glen "ross from friends" (s1ocki), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:32 (thirteen years ago) link

the saddest part about that post is that he's too young to know he'll probably get fat again once he's old and jaded. u_u

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 24 September 2010 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link

just can't take the breathless no punctuation style it's grating and annoying and it just doesn't click with me if i want long endless sentences i'll pick up some thomas bernhard and not some dork-o with a music blog

Mr. Que, Friday, 24 September 2010 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link

he does use punctuation is the thing...?

more than u do tbh

glengarry glen "ross from friends" (s1ocki), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link

well maybe he does, sometimes, cool, thanks slocks

Mr. Que, Friday, 24 September 2010 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link

.

glengarry glen "ross from friends" (s1ocki), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link

;)

Mr. Que, Friday, 24 September 2010 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link

lol guess what day it is

http://www.nationalpunctuationday.com/

Mr. Que, Friday, 24 September 2010 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link

*moment of silence*

glengarry glen "ross from friends" (s1ocki), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:41 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.nationalpunctuationday.com/images/QuestionMarkNormaSMALL.jpg

4 u

Mr. Que, Friday, 24 September 2010 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link

i can't tell if that's a couple of pounds of uncooked sausage, a tumor, or a french bread pizza.

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 24 September 2010 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link

sometimes you really have to stare at a goofy internet photo for a long time to penetrate the veil of mystery

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 24 September 2010 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link

it's a meat loaf shaped like a question mark, strongo.

Mr. Que, Friday, 24 September 2010 15:48 (thirteen years ago) link

DUH

Mr. Que, Friday, 24 September 2010 15:48 (thirteen years ago) link

I think his thing is not punctuating at the ends of paragraphs, but he does it elsewhere.

jaymc, Friday, 24 September 2010 15:49 (thirteen years ago) link

He's good and thoughtful in a diaristic sense but this is not the kind of stuff I would want to read in a magazine proper! It's too personal.

The Rich Man's 8-Track (u s steel), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link

And too internetty, and secretly assumes certain knowledge on your part to get what he's doing. And yeah, I think some of it is problematic if you read about music to really get information about music. But if you want to talk about magazines proper, I mean ... the more you get toward normal general-audience readers/listeners, the more people totally go for being narrative, or first-person, or "personal." E.g., Chuck Klosterman writing personal essays that happened to be about music a lot of the time -- and if you gave a bunch of young people a "name one music critic" survey, he'd probably come out on top. Not saying I get much out of his music essays, but "personal" and "narrative" are SO not sticking points for the vast majority of potential readers, you know?

oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Friday, 24 September 2010 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link

can I point out that if you gave a bunch of young people a "name one music critic" survey, you'd probably get Gene Shallit as top answer?

Monkeys? Um, no. (HI DERE), Friday, 24 September 2010 18:27 (thirteen years ago) link

Shalit's rap reviews are hot

"There's only one word for Gucci Mane: burriliant! When life gave him lemons, he made 'Lemonade!' No matter what 'state' you live in, I 'appeal' to you to buy this album!"

oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Friday, 24 September 2010 18:56 (thirteen years ago) link

just wait until the inevitable book deal

markers, Friday, 24 September 2010 19:15 (thirteen years ago) link

when I sang with the BSO, we would periodically see Shalit out around town in the Berkshires wearing a child's sailor hat

Monkeys? Um, no. (HI DERE), Friday, 24 September 2010 19:19 (thirteen years ago) link


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