― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 14 August 2005 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 14 August 2005 20:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 14 August 2005 20:13 (eighteen years ago) link
it also seems kind of snide and condescending, like altman wanted to make a renoir-style ensemble film but completely lacked renoir's wit and generosity.
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 14 August 2005 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Sunday, 14 August 2005 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 14 August 2005 20:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tom May (Tom May), Sunday, 14 August 2005 22:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― Phil Dellio (j.j. hunsecker), Sunday, 14 August 2005 22:49 (eighteen years ago) link
>The President's Analyst
late '60s.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 15 August 2005 13:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Phil Dellio (j.j. hunsecker), Monday, 15 August 2005 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 17:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 16 August 2005 21:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 23:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jimmy_tango, Wednesday, 17 August 2005 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 00:02 (eighteen years ago) link
(Network is my #6.)
― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 00:09 (eighteen years ago) link
Yeah, this is one of my favorite movies.
― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 00:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 00:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 00:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 00:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 00:22 (eighteen years ago) link
The speculative fiction line i totally agree w/ also, though it's brilliant (to me) b/c it never verges on impossibility or the territory that sci-fi works with...honestly, i am again and again hard-pressed to come up with a smarter screenplay ever written (hyperbole, but you get the idea).
― Jimmy_tango, Wednesday, 17 August 2005 01:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 02:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Phil Dellio (j.j. hunsecker), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 03:55 (eighteen years ago) link
Yes, all the women in the first "Godfather" -- Kay, Mama, the topless Sicilian bride -- are pretty much stick figures, which is one reason men love the movie so much.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 12:32 (eighteen years ago) link
Because ppl were just so damn shallow til Reagan was elected?
>long before we had a disdain for TV news<
Sorry, TV news was held in contempt by many literate folk loooong before Network.
Jonathan Rosenbaum hits about the right median, I think, esp re its misogyny:
Good campy fun from the combined talents of Paddy Chayefsky and Sidney Lumet; Chayefsky was apparently serious about much of this shrill, self-important 1976 satire about television, interlaced with bile about radicals and pushy career women, and so were some critics at the time.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 12:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― Phil Dellio (j.j. hunsecker), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 14:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 14:58 (eighteen years ago) link
1970M*A*S*HTristanaWalkabout
1971Death in VeniceThe Last Picture Show
1972Aguirre, Wrath of GodCabaretDeliveranceThe Discreet Charm of the BourgeoisieThe GodfatherSolarisViskningar och Rop
1973BadlandsDay for NightDon’t Look NowMean Streets
1974ChinatownThe Enigma of Kaspar HauserThe Godfather Part IILacombe, Lucien
1975One Flew over the Cuckoo’s NestPicnic at Hanging Rock
1976All the President’s MenNetworkTaxi Driver
1977Annie HallStar Wars
1978The Chant of Jimmie BlacksmithDays of HeavenThe DriverThe Marriage of Maria Braun
1979AlienBeing ThereManhattanThe Tin Drum
― >myjobsworth, Wednesday, 17 August 2005 15:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pete Scholtes, Wednesday, 17 August 2005 15:12 (eighteen years ago) link
Quite an idiosyncratic list there -- the only Altman being MASH? (which is a dumb football comedy for most of its last third)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 15:20 (eighteen years ago) link
i don't want to privilege the CW too much, but when you're contrarian about the most C of the CW and without any attendant explanatory content, you appear to disrespect criticism and audience.
I think Rosenbaum is usually otm (though I'm not quite in the same place as him politically or aesthetically), and I don't completely discount the criticisms of Network - an adolescent favorite that I never regarded as taking itself more seriously than it does on its face (hello? "sybil the soothsayer"?) - but those who are quick to criticize its misogyny I think are missing that 1) Faye Dunaway's gender is not the second or even the third most important element of her character (but what, they should add another man to the cast? and write out the love interest?), and 2) the movie spends a fair amount of time viewing her through the eyes of an older man with whom it does not entirely sympathize
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 19:16 (eighteen years ago) link
he's the most annoying film critic in america. i can't think of anyone else who's so utterly humorless about the movies he doesn't like.
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 20:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Phil Dellio (j.j. hunsecker), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 20:08 (eighteen years ago) link
Basically, Kay is just The Girl. All the women get more spine in II (FFC even turns 'his' sister into a Borgia by III), but Molly Haskell remarked on the movie's chavinist appeal at the time.
Critics who are offended by films that are mistaken for good / great impress me. (Another disser of The Godfather: Stanley Kauffmann.)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Phil Dellio (j.j. hunsecker), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 21:23 (eighteen years ago) link
"When The Godfather measured its grand finale of murder against the liturgy of baptism, Coppola seemed mesmerized by the trick, and its nihilism. A Bunuel, by contrast, might have made that sequence ironic and hilarious. But Coppola is not long on those qualities and he could not extricate himself from the engineering of scenes. The identiication with Michael was complete and stricken."
― Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 18 August 2005 00:52 (eighteen years ago) link
The baptism/slaughter sequence is sledgehammer-obvious, but brilliantly edited. If you're looking for irony (tho not Bunuelian), that's where "Goodfellas" comes in.
Kauffmann was particularly dismissive of Brando tho ("pudding in his cheeks... moves stiffly... hailed as great acting").
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:58 (eighteen years ago) link
Anyway, I don't think of multi-Oscared movies like these when I think of '70s cinema (Godfather II aside).
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 August 2005 14:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― Phil Dellio (j.j. hunsecker), Thursday, 18 August 2005 16:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 18 August 2005 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― älänbänänä (alanbanana), Saturday, 20 August 2005 01:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 20 August 2005 16:43 (eighteen years ago) link
1. The Creeping Flesh (dir. Freddie Francis, 1973)2. The Optimists of Nine Elms (dir. Anthony Simmons, 1974)3. Chinatown (dir. Roman Polanski, 1974)4. House of Mortal Sin (dir. Pete Walker, 1975)5. Radio On (dir. Christopher Petit, 1979)6. The Shout (dir. Jerzy Skolimowski, 1978)7. The Wicker Man (dir. Robin Hardy, 1973)8. Breaking Away (dir. Peter Yates, 1979)9. Death Line (dir. Gary Sherman, 1972)10. Get Carter (dir. Mike Hodges, 1971)11. Picnic at Hanging Rock (dir. Peter Weir, 1975)12. O Lucky Man! (dir. Lindsay Anderson, 1973)13. Eskimo Nell (dir. Martin Campbell, 1974)14. Sweeney! (dir. David Wickes, 1976)15. Jubilee (dir. Derek Jarman, 1977)16. 10 Rillington Place (dir. Richard Fleischer, 1970)17. Walkabout (dir. Nicolas Roeg, 1971)18. House of Whipcord (dir. Pete Walker, 1974)19. The Conversation (dir. Francis Ford Coppola, 1974)20. Eraserhead (dir. David Lynch, 1977)
You will note something of an anglocentric bias (I am at the moment working on a dissertation on British cinema of the seventies), and an attempt to broaden the sort of films getting in. It's more of a favourite than necessarily a 'best' list, but certainly strongly felt. There are some very underrated films, awaiting rediscovery, in this decade... and plenty of emphasis in the twenty above upon corruption and collapse. The 'devil's decade', indeed. Something of an Indian Summer for British horror, I would argue... which very sadly petered out mid-way through the 1970s.
― Tom May (Tom May), Sunday, 21 August 2005 13:27 (eighteen years ago) link
"Network"... good film, certainly, but rather flawed. I mainly remember it for Peter Finch, who is marvellous; reminds me, I need to see "Sunday Bloody Sunday".
― Tom May (Tom May), Sunday, 21 August 2005 13:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 21 August 2005 14:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 21 August 2005 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link