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yeah the guy who played caesar was really great, good death scene too

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 18:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Ciaran Hinds has been good in almost everything I've seen him in.

― M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link

He always reminds me of John Cale.

― M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link

chris you wouldn't've been interested if the 'powerplays and backstabbin' (which is now what all hbo dramas are about now) hadn't been handled clumsily or at least better than say general hospital level?

No, that sort of thing I generally find sad and tedious (which means I've found it somewhat difficult to get excited about Rome the actual historical empire, which was after all all about that sort of shenanigans). If it's done in the service of a cleverly turned out plot (P.G. Wodehouse/"Scott Tenerman Must Die" style) then I'll put up with it.

In general hour-long tv shows haven't interested me.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 19:51 (eighteen years ago) link

i've forgotten now how servillia knew vorenus and the real father of niobe's baby. ???? and what happened to niobe's lover? for some reason I had a hard time getting minor characters like him straight.

anyway, pretty good, I was hoping ceaser would be around for longer though. bring on cleopatra I say.

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 00:40 (eighteen years ago) link

i've forgotten now how servillia knew vorenus and the real father of niobe's baby.
When she lezzed up with Octavian's sister, who had made him tell her a secret (hoping to discover Caesar's seizures, instead getting baby-daddy drama) right before fucking his little brains out.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 01:02 (eighteen years ago) link

no Rome, no Entourage, no Deadwood, no 6FU - there's absolutely nothing worth watching on HBO now. Is there another season of the Wire coming?

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 01:05 (eighteen years ago) link

As it stands, Deadwood has been pushed back from March to June 2006 on HBO. Sopranos is still coming back in March. Entourage should be coming back with Deadwood in June. The Wire Season 4 doesn't start until September, and (assuming there is a new series) Rome in 2007.

― Gukbe (lokar), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 01:09 (eighteen years ago) link

there's some new show with chloe sevigny, jeanne tripplehorn, and bill paxton but i don't think it's a drama.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 01:15 (eighteen years ago) link

it's called "Big Love", and it reeks of Dramedy. It's about mormons, so it must be vaguely amusing.

― Gukbe (lokar), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 01:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Does Sevigny blow anybody?

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 01:28 (eighteen years ago) link

hey if they have the Mac song as the theme ima watch it.

― geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 01:36 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...

UK viewers, any chance of a précis of what happened in last week's episode (that is, penultimate episode of Series 1)? Christmas and stupid BBC scheduling of the repeat meant I missed it.

Comedy replies are OK as long as I get a serious one too. Thanks in advance.

― zebedee (zebedee), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 11:25 (eighteen years ago) link

try this zeb:

http://www.hbo.com/rome/episode/season1/episode10.html

― mason storm (mason storm), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 11:38 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Imperial landing strips ahoy, starting Sunday.

― milo z (mlp), Friday, 12 January 2007 01:40 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

So this has got to be the first time Belgium has ever been cited as an extreme of violence and savagery, right?

― Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Monday, 29 January 2007 14:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Luc Sante to thread

― The Redd And The Blecch (Ken L), Monday, 29 January 2007 14:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I dunno, the whole thing was a little too Raging Bull last night for my taste.

― The Redd And The Blecch (Ken L), Monday, 29 January 2007 14:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I was positive that Antony was going to make a force Cicero into a toast after whizzing on the plant (and likely big C's cup.)

― Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Monday, 29 January 2007 17:21 (seventeen years ago) link

so have we seen the last of Max Pirkis?

this series is really chugging along. i wish it had more seasons to come, as this series really should have ended with Phillipa, and the third would be all about the triumvirate falling apart, ending with the Cleopatra fiasco.

i don't want to see cicero killed.

― The Ultimate Conclusion (lokar), Monday, 29 January 2007 17:31 (seventeen years ago) link

imdb says he has one more episode coming up. Pirkis/Octavian I mean.

― Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Monday, 29 January 2007 17:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Here's the proof that HBO doesn't give a shit about Rome: they are showing a new episode tomorrow.

― Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Sunday, 4 February 2007 06:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Great episode, but they could just dispense with Atia's doings and follow Pullo around for all I care.

― milo z (mlp), Monday, 5 February 2007 07:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I'm not so keen on Atia v Servilla at the moment either. Nice to see Timon get some screen time/development I guess.

Phillipi is still two episodes off. Hope next week is more than just build up, though presumably a helluvalot has to happen.

Not so sure about Simon Woods. More Posca and Cicero, please.

― The Ultimate Conclusion (lokar), Monday, 5 February 2007 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't understand why they thought they had to change actors for Octavian. The new guy doesn't look much older for one, and for another, I don't get the idea that all that much time has passed. Unless he's supposed to be a kagemusha style body double or some wierd shit like that.

Hell yeah more Posca and Cicero!

― Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Monday, 5 February 2007 15:52 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

****SPOILER****
OMG they killed Cicero!

― James Redd and the Blecchs, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Why the hell did Cicero not have bodyguards? That was the most casual political assasination ever .

― Bill Magill, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Perhaps he wanted to die a martyr to the Republic.

― Michael White, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

that last episode was so good, and so bloody! cicero's neck omg!

also, killing rich merchants to pay the army? whoa
i've been thinking and talking a lot lately about (the failed/ongoing project of) democracy, and this show keeps coming up. interesting.

― rrrobyn, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:48 (seventeen years ago) link

The proto-fascism of the late republic/early empire has always fascinated. Read Monesquieu's 'The Spirit of Laws', rrobyn.

― Michael White, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

thanks!
(and thanks internet - http://www.constitution.org/cm/sol-02.htm)
a friend of mine actually brought this up when the first season was on, but i forgot about it. totally interesting!

― rrrobyn, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I think Phillipi explains why this series is only ten episodes.

― Gukbe, Thursday, 22 February 2007 18:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm two weeks behind, so I can't contribute much (except my undying love of Titus Pullo, and some confusion re: all the "Attia can't act" stuff), but where is the love for the Town Crier (or whatever he actually's called)!?!?! I live for his oratorial semaphore!

― David R., Friday, 23 February 2007 15:36 (seventeen years ago) link

On IMDB they call him the News Reader.

I enjoyed the super goriness of the most recent episode.

― accentmonkey, Friday, 23 February 2007 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link

i didn't realize my love for titus pullo was so strong until this season, but damn...
and lookit him, aw

http://www.serialseries.ch/mm/Rome_stevenson.jpg

― rrrobyn, Friday, 23 February 2007 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I had a dream one night that I was running away from him. He wasn't lovely then, let me tell you.

― accentmonkey, Friday, 23 February 2007 16:19 (seventeen years ago) link

SPOILERS ABOUND!

Titus Pullo and Sayid (Lost) are pretty much dreamy.
This last episode of Rome bothered me because...I am supposed to believe that Cicero is killed by Pullo and the last words he wrote were made into a hat for Vorenus' kids?
let's put history into a neatly wrapped up newspaper!
It's typical in television - and it's weird that we know they (HBO) cancelled the series. But, please.
Does everything have to be a link to another story?

Brutus' death was amazing.
The last stand was amazing.
The warriors going forth on command was amazing.
And i liked Vorenus and the kids being happy in the country.
I don't like it when it gets contrived.

― aimurchie, Friday, 23 February 2007 16:40 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Wish they hadn't killed Eirenne like they did.

I'm digging the Aventine stuff, which surprises me slightly.

and OMG, Posca married!

I liked Octavian's "oh, just so ya know" talk to Livia re: beating you from time to time for sexual pleasure.

― Gukbe, Monday, 12 March 2007 14:39 (seventeen years ago) link

You mean OMG PULLO MAN TONGUE!

Did HBO actually cancel the series, or was it supposed to be short-lived? I can't see the series being worth much once Anthony gets dispatched, unless they're going to play that clip of Purefoy calling Octavian "BOY" in every episode of the 3rd season.

― David R., Monday, 12 March 2007 14:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Pullo as head of the Aventine will be interesting since much of the rest of the plot is foreseeable.

― Michael White, Monday, 12 March 2007 14:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Also (thinking on that awesome hoe-down in the Aventine), I can't think of any character's death in the series that has seemed cheap or cheesy. Sparta would've been proud (especially of Servilia & her servant)!

― David R., Monday, 12 March 2007 14:49 (seventeen years ago) link

The initial estimates due to budget/set building of how long the show would need to run to get their money back/be profitable/whatever was 5 seasons. After the disappointing first series ratings/critical acclaim, the Italian investors amongst others decided they didn't want to go for anymore than 2.

I think it would have been great to have five seasons, as I'm sure they could have taken their time with certain things (a season ending with Phillipi, more development of Lepidus and his death in the East, more development of Livia, etc...), but I'm happy with what we've got. I figured ten episodes to get from death of Caeser to Death of Antony was going to feel really rushed, but it is working out fine at the moment.

― Gukbe, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:00 (seventeen years ago) link

http://members.aol.com/paulspage/private/sorry.gif
Tony's gonna die!

― James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 12 March 2007 18:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I did love the understated (and underdressed) Anthony and Cleopatra meeting. It was very DO YOU SEE, but in a good way.

Now that Mister Monkey has told me all about Livia, I too am sorry there will not be more of her.

Nice to see Titus Pullo back swedging again.

― accentmonkey, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:26 (seventeen years ago) link

He always reminds me of John Cale.
Was this every otm'ed? It should have been.

― James Redd and the Blecchs, Sunday, 18 March 2007 23:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Tonights episode delivered, for me at least. So what are we gonna do when it's all over? (Re)read Tacitus, Suetonius, Gibbon and Graves, as mentioned on the other thread? Rent Trainspotting and Small Faces and have a Kevin McKidd film festival?

― James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 19 March 2007 03:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Mark Antony, Mountain Man >>>> Mark Antony, New Wave Egyptian - really missing the beard, but his continued loyalty to Vorenus is great. The sole chink in Antony's suit of hedonist solipsism.

Skanky Jane Wiedlin makes for a good Cleopatra.

― milo z, Monday, 19 March 2007 03:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I would have sex with all of this Cleopatra. They sure packed a lot of cool shit into one episode. The look on nu-Octavian's face when Posca revealed the A&C will made me like him as an actor. It was a perfect "I want to do backflips around the room and then blow you but I must maintain some sense of decorum" look.

― marmotwolof, Monday, 19 March 2007 05:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I have completely changed my mind about nu-Octavian and now think he is the greatest thing in it. Lord Blakeney would merely have looked peevish while getting smacked across the gob during sex. I will miss this show so much when it finishes.

― accentmonkey, Monday, 19 March 2007 14:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm already missing it. And we're not gonna get the second season of Life On Mars over here until who knows when, assuming it's worth watching.

― James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 20:39 (seventeen years ago) link

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