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Yeah, I guess exploitative and colonialist (is that the right word?) more than captial-R RACIST, but still like; who does a video treatment that;'s like "OK, you're hugging black kids for four minutes"

obv the answer is "the dude who directed the new Kings of Leon video, whose name somehow has not yet made it to the bits of the Internet you can hit within 5 minutes of using Google"

(that more than anything else is making me lol, like whoever this was basically went "I'll do this for you and it will be awesome! I don't want any credit tho" *waits for shitstorm*)

juggalo iglesias (HI DERE), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

carles is slippin -- passion pit already did the "hire a choir of underprivileged minority youths" thing

J0rdan S., Monday, 20 September 2010 19:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

he's not even listed on the mtv site, which is usually v good about putting directors up in there

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

gonna lol if it was Hype Williams

juggalo iglesias (HI DERE), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

the video and song are both unmentionably terrible w/ stupid and retrograde notions about race but i don't think they are simply ~racist~

Chinedu "Edu" Obasi Ogbuke (nakhchivan), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Sophie Muller directed it.

Kerm, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

more offensive for not being funny

bnw, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 01:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

that was a fake

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

but it was racist because someone realized that they could spell "nigger" by a video game and they set up a soccer video game and took a photo of it and sent it all over the internet

so yes, racist

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

this isn't a thread for lol racism, fyi. keep that shit to "encyclopedia of racist products" or, like, 4chan

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

strictly concern trolling in here.

Kerm, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

I figured it was some soccer thing. Wouldn't have been surprised if it had been real.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

take it to i love footy

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 04:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

love the gawker update where they act like they understood the joke from the beginning

jeff, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

barf

http://i55.tinypic.com/25oxf7k.png

maybe LJ is right about ilx being the smartest message board

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://hipsterhitler.com/

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

gawker isnt a message board

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

ilx is my favorite blog

markers, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

MIXMASTER
RACE

EASTSIDE
WESTSIDE
GENOCIDE

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

is anti-semitism racist or not, because this guy at the bar I frequent is convinced that Birth Of A Nation was produced by Jews & that the Jews control the media etc etc

I know it sucks either way just wanted 2 know ur opinions

4 my muthafuckin mods (crüt), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

Of course anti-semitism is racism. It's just that racism against Jews has acquired a term of its own, probably because discriminating them has been so prominent historically.

Where it gets tricky is when anti-Israel or anti-Zionist statements are equated with anti-semitism; of course some anti-Israel/anti-Zionist people are also anti-semitists/racists, but many of them aren't. But your case is pretty obviously racist because the target is Jews as a whole, not Israeli politics or anything.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

are the finns a race?

mookieproof, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ca. 300 Finnish Jews fought in the War alongside the German Army[3][4]. The field synagogue operated by the Finnish army was probably a unique phenomenon in Europe.

Guess they didn't have Google then either.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

take it to i love footy

― p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3),

jesus way to zing an entire bord of innocents wtf

i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

Subtle "Americans don't like soocer and aren't racist" undertones there

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah really i'm getting some prety bad vibes offa this zorn character. bet he's norwegian/icelandic thor worshipper

i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

zorn smash

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 15:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

is this chorus racist?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4s6H4ku6ZY&ob=av3n

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 18:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

?

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://dasracist.net/

am0n, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

idk singing about sippin syrup like three 6 and getting "slizzered"

it's a bit 3oh3 minstrel

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

i can def see that

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

Man, if it's wrong to make fun of people who drink cough syrup to get high, I don't wanna get high.

doobieborther, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

How does all the lol ghetto retard stuff on lamebook.com fit into this thread? Not sure if I'd rather it be real or fake.

zomg_bong.mp3 (Kerm), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

i think a bunch of well-off white people looking at it on their MacBook Pros and laughing at it through a mouthful of Whole Foods salad bar is pretty racist

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

glad I'm broke, on a dell, and had chili for lunch then.

zomg_bong.mp3 (Kerm), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

black people eat Whole Foods salad bar, too

sarahel, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

so like, on a pitchfork scale of 0.0 to 10.0, where 10.0 is a lynching, and 0.0 is Martin Luther King Jr. enjoying a cup of coffee while making breakfast, in his pajamas, humming a soft song to himself, where would the MacBook Pro thing fall? where does this comment fall?

I think this thread, while started with the noblest of intentions, has been a failure. And the reason I believe it has failed is that we (as a society) are so resigned to simply declaring something racist or not, as if it's binary, instead of attempting to quantify exactly how racist something really is, using numerical scales.

del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

that scene from Louie where the school bus breaks down in Harlem and he reassigns the black kids the window seats: greater than 1.2?

*folds hands, rests elbows on desk, places chin on fingertips, looks up and slightly to the left, thinks*

del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

i think you've anticipated an exciting new direction for Pitchfork Reviews Reviews

sarahel, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

God, this fucking thread. Is this racist? Is it? Well? I need something to be outraged about, fuckin' tell me!!! Ugh.

SourPatchCorpse, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

i dont think anyone is really all that outraged tbh

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

Was Dr. King's morning coffee fair trade or unregulated?

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

Exactly, this thread isn't about being outraged at these things, it's about discussing them, and learning from them, and analyzing peoples motivations, gaining valuable insight into contemporary race relations, and proposing solutions for a more equitable society. Which is why it is essentially ineffectual, and why we should focus on merely assigning submitted material a score.

del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

we can't be sure, can we, so let's kick it up to 0.8

('_') (omar little), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

xp that is not for me, as a MacBook Pro owner, to say

del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

jk i don't really own one of those racist fuckin computers ;p

del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

venti frap all over the keyboard

jeff, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 20:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

I originally misread that as the city trying to give confederate names to streets that don't currently have them which sadly seems totally plausible

joygoat, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 21:53 (four months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

http://reallifemag.com/what-was-the-nerd/

This article is really interesting.

I have had a working thesis for the past year-and-a-half that "all memes, not just overtly alt-right memes, feed into the proliferation of alt-right psychological thought patterns". That thought pattern, essentially, can be boiled down to this: “nobody will ever let go of the fantasy that they themselves are the most victimized"

Meme-sharing not only encourages ironic detachment, but in many cases, especially Dat Boi and Harambe, see usually-white usually-nerds accessorizing (and thus exerting authority over) edgy-but-not-quite-racist content.

fgti, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 15:53 (one month ago) Permalink

lmao that most of the examples in that story are Megan McCain

sic And Mordy’s worst fans don’t deserve sic And Mordy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:27 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah, I noticed that too

Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:28 (one month ago) Permalink

Thought about that Teen Vogue piece a lot since reading, as someone who has posted GIFs featuring a black person's reaction (but where potentially part of the problem is also that I don't actually know who they are tho they're always figures of admiration - if that makes sense? I feel like almost all black reaction GIFs I see are in that 'positive' vein) a handful of times. Dammit I really love Smart Guy though :(

nashwan, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:43 (one month ago) Permalink

What's the ILX verdict on whether or not this gif is racist?

https://imgur.com/GDU2xh8

sic And Mordy’s worst fans don’t deserve sic And Mordy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:50 (one month ago) Permalink

I can see compelling arguments both for and against

sic And Mordy’s worst fans don’t deserve sic And Mordy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:51 (one month ago) Permalink

that's a poorly formed gif

sarahell, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:22 (one month ago) Permalink

Ah, tone-deaf usage of AAVE gifs is the most easily identifiable "white gays are the worst" kind of racism

fgti, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:24 (one month ago) Permalink

part of me would like to hear your argument for why it isn't racist but it's probably better if I don't chew directly through my cheek while suppressing rage

Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:25 (one month ago) Permalink

well, that answers my question!

sic And Mordy’s worst fans don’t deserve sic And Mordy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:26 (one month ago) Permalink

Even more nuanced well-researched "well, AAVE and polare were borne out of the same cultural community so one can argue that the similarities between dragspeak and 'girl bye' belong equally to the black community and the gay white community" are still holey and reaching and dumb

fgti, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:27 (one month ago) Permalink

I'm in no position to tell Meghan McCain how or what she can do obv but on behalf of some of my idiotic gay friends please let me apologize

wrt Harambe memes and Dat Boi tho, and the article I posted, it's more about nerds-accessorizing-vaguely-racist-stuff (as a corollary to 'nerds' feeling themselves like an Oppressed People who edge into that sweet spot of racist-enough-to-be-edgy-but-not-racist-enough-to-be-racist content) (WGW, this is for you, this is what you were talking about when you were asking if 'doge' was yellowface and it's not but the effect is the same, maybe?)...

...than it is white-women-and-white-gays-posting-Rihanna-gifs-because-they-feel-like-accessorizing-black-culture-somehow-brings-them-closer-to-the-community-that-the-economic-model-they-profit-off-of-isn't-built-upon-anti-blackness

fgti, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:35 (one month ago) Permalink

I feel like almost all black reaction GIFs I see are in that 'positive' vein

yeahhhh .... but .... idk, a lot of the time when I see them used by white people, I think of racially insensitive halloween costumes. It's dressing up as a person that has been historically (and is still) oppressed by your people. It makes me uncomfortable.

sarahell, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:36 (one month ago) Permalink

blackface reaction gifs are so utterly ughhhh, especially when used by white folks. However, a group text I’m involved in frequently deployed drag performer reaction gifs, and that *also* bums me out, even though two of the members of the group text identify as trans and drag performers themselves. Sometimes they don’t bother me, though. On the occasions they DON’T bother me, it’s usually because source is a general pop-cultural reference -as opposed to, like, a meme or a particularly humiliating loop from Top Model

rb (soda), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:39 (one month ago) Permalink

it's "positive" in the sense that white people perceive (or project) some quality in blackness that they want to momentarily have for themselves and then discard again. It's not directly mocking black people in a cruel way but it's still using them as a mask. I mean, this is kind of pervasive, so it's hard to disentangle what's "problematic" from what's not sometimes -- isn't a lot of white hip-hop fandom partly about projecting a fantasy onto black people/using black people to live out desires one doesn't otherwise want to express?

I mean I generally feel grossed out by those reaction gifs but I'm just trying to examine the deeper phenomenon they represent.

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:40 (one month ago) Permalink

fgti has been reaching some level of internet consciousness that is going to be increasingly out of sync with the binary thinking the internet encourages

"the fgti incident?" (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:41 (one month ago) Permalink

wrt Harambe memes and Dat Boi tho, and the article I posted, it's more about nerds-accessorizing-vaguely-racist-stuff (as a corollary to 'nerds' feeling themselves like an Oppressed People who edge into that sweet spot of racist-enough-to-be-edgy-but-not-racist-enough-to-be-racist content) (WGW, this is for you, this is what you were talking about when you were asking if 'doge' was yellowface and it's not but the effect is the same, maybe?)...

...than it is white-women-and-white-gays-posting-Rihanna-gifs-because-they-feel-like-accessorizing-black-culture-somehow-brings-them-closer-to-the-community-that-the-economic-model-they-profit-off-of-isn't-built-upon-anti-blackness

I think the article you posted has some very good analysis and insights mixed in with some glaring overreach and assumptions that muddy the argument. In particular, holding up Animal House as an ur-propaganda piece misses its genesis as the synthesis of the writers' experiences as frat members at Dartmouth/final club members at Harvard; due to the privilege circle in which they were operating, the archetypes at play when they put together the movie read very differently than when broadcast out into the wider culture and I think the interpretation of intent put forward by the piece is distorted as a result. (I wouldn't argue against the conclusion re: that movie's affect on the wider culture but it's also worth pointing out that the handling of race is about 500 times more sophisticated than the examples put forward in Sixteen Candles and Weird Science.)

Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:43 (one month ago) Permalink

I wouldn’t use either, but IME there’s a difference between posting a picture that silly fake fro The Rock wore in “Central Intelligence” and a reddit meme of, like, a grinning hobo with wheat stuck in hair.

rb (soda), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:43 (one month ago) Permalink

Ooh, the reaction gif thing has always bothered me. Solution: white ppl should be limited to Seinfeld reaction gifs only.

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:44 (one month ago) Permalink

*Seinfeld bass*

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:45 (one month ago) Permalink

@ soda and man alive, I'll say it again: white gays (and white women) use those reaction gifs, as drag performers use the language, in order to accessorize black culture, as an attempt to bring these white people closer in proximity, culturally, to a community that they profit off of, economically.

My bff Prof. Muhly is always using "my hair is layed out like Jessye Norman" on his blog updates and it really doesn't work for me and I've told him so

fgti, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:47 (one month ago) Permalink

@ DJP yeah, I was waiting for the article to leave the frame of John Hughes movies and get into 90s and 00s nerddom, but not today I guess

fgti, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:48 (one month ago) Permalink

WGW, this is for you, this is what you were talking about when you were asking if 'doge' was yellowface and it's not but the effect is the same, maybe?

oh man, that thread :/

it is totally derived from Engrish, but because it's a dog, and not a person it's abstracted a bit from basic "Supplies!" yellowface, and it's more palatable. Also, cute dog.

It's kinda like instead of "sassy black woman" reaction gif, someone posted this (sorry WGW)

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/96/35/8a/96358a7ced999ede3d5e6998f7feb6ff--happy-birthday-mom-animal-kingdom.jpg

sarahell, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:57 (one month ago) Permalink

@ soda and man alive, I'll say it again: white gays (and white women) use those reaction gifs, as drag performers use the language, in order to accessorize black culture, as an attempt to bring these white people closer in proximity, culturally, to a community that they profit off of, economically.

That might explain why it seemed like it was so prevalent among democratic party surrogates.

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:58 (one month ago) Permalink

and of course, there is this:

https://i.imgflip.com/e23l9.jpg

sarahell, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 18:01 (one month ago) Permalink

Some of these things also have a way of melting into the cultural landscape so we forget their origins, e.g. "Bitch, please" when not expressly tied to a black woman. Nowadays when I listen to 70s rock music for example, I'm almost shocked at how much quasi-blackface there seems to be in it. But listening to it growing up, I had no idea what the origins were, I just thought that was "rock n roll."

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 18:05 (one month ago) Permalink

@ sarahell I think my heart just stopped, I can't think about this any more

fgti, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 18:37 (one month ago) Permalink

So I referred to it as 'smart guy' meme above but you google that and among the top results are https://imgflip.com/memegenerator/92444781/Thinking-black-guy or https://memegenerator.net/Thinking-Black-Guy and ugh is there no escape.

nashwan, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 19:27 (one month ago) Permalink

idk if I was looking for that particular meme I'd type in "thinking black guy"

frogbs, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 19:29 (one month ago) Permalink


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