New Apple Lust Objects

In some respects, it's way worse -- like rich text controls. Google Talk doesn't work with it either.

bah, not if you know how to configure ff properly, or just dl FasterFox

It is on the Mac on newer hardware. For a lot of stuff, Firefox is faster on everything other than startup speed on older mac hardware.

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BTW, both the newer version of Firefox and the newer Safari have greatly improved text rendering and other assorted stuff.

They're gonna bundle it with iTunes I bet. that's bullshit.

yeah the google talk not working on safari thing is ridiculous

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It already is, in effect, how do you think the iTunes store works on windows?

surely there's something more than the iPhone to talk about

They don't have to bundle, they just make it an option on that Apple Software Update they rolled out to everyone who installs iTunes or Quicktime now.

Yeh, but not as an end-user app. There was mumping about not being able to dl standalone Quicktime easily when they bundled it with iTunes, adding Safari would just have made it worse (if it was happening, which it looks like it isn't)
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In some respects, it's way worse -- like rich text controls. Google Talk doesn't work with it either.

HAVE YOU TRIED WEBKIT?

Freestanding quicktime has always been there, just not very obviously.

I expected that on the iPhone front. Widgets, essentially.

Haha, I feel better about buying a new nokia last month... no actual developer API, just write web pages! Hopefully you can have multiple browser sessions open on the iPhone.

HAVE YOU TRIED WEBKIT?
Yes. and it crashed and didn't work with keychain. And I didn't care enough to wait for the next build.

xp they'll have them like dashboard widgets, with icons on the launcher etc.

Safari for Windows == anyone can test their web app for iPhone compatability regardless of PC platform.

TOMBOT:APPLE = ME:NOKIA

Safari for Windows is also a cheap swipe at MSIE's marketshare.

I thought you used to have a Nokia? I'm iffy on the memory and speed but I like the N73 so far.

"Head of Apple iPhone software had some trouble typing with the iPhone on-screen keyboard."

Yes, I am eagerly anticipating Americans' fat fingers on the iPhone screen.

BTW, are they seriously demoing an old-fashioned web app that's just calling a remote page that sends back results of an LDAP query? WTF.

firefox on windows is a buggy, memory-hogging mess, maybe safari will be better, I doubt it though

I tihnk the point is to show you being able to dial out from the app and get address with maps app etc xpost

If they have some API for letting webapps do stuff offline, I can get behind AJAXy iPhone.

ok that was a hefty yawn of a keynote. why even bother closign apple store?

haha, no shit, maybe it uses the yet unreleased GOOGLE GEARS FOR SAFARI, wait, that would assume they're as coordinated with Google as the conspiracy nuts think

I tihnk the point is to show you being able to dial out from the app and get address with maps app etc xpost

otm... I wonder if they have a special url spec for this?

Of course, now to pour over connect.apple.com when it reopens

I wonder if "looks just like built-in apps" means they won't mind if I jack all their webpage graphics, or if they're going to release them for free/restricted use

ooh safari betas for mac and pc are up

http://www.apple.com/safari/

just appeared

(er x-post obv)

safari beta link takes me to the downloader for Safari 1.2

ha ha, the sidebar on it isn't rendering properly (on my safari that is)

fixed now

How does that work then? The last keynote they were wanging on about how Live Find used Core Animation and depended on Leopard etc

http://www.apple.com/safari/download/ options:

Safari for Mac OS X v10.4.9 or later
Safari+QuickTime for Windows XP or Vista
Safari for Windows XP or Vista

http://www.apple.com/safari/download/plugins.html

wait that's fucking it?

I don't get the Windows download option yet, either. I think Apple's server farm is halfway through the page rollout and is shitting a brick.

ha ha i see the dock 3d effect. it's like a shelf that the dock icons sit on. teh funny

yay

CalDAV in iCal!

Safari 3 froze up on being opened for the first time. Nice.

finder sidebar organised like itunes sidebar. part of the slow convergence on metadata model there.

mac or pc? xpost

desktop demo shows that the new dock is a FUCKING WET LOOK FLOOR. stacks looks nice tho!

xp - Mac

Works fine now, I guess. Only some drop down menus that halfway worked with Safari 2 now don't work at all.

Draggable tabs, great
Nixed Acid search, not great

Shit, it'll nix Inquisitor too then, and that's a fucking great plugin.

Bit worried about Acid search as the guy has not updated since 2005, any other good search plugins?

Inquisitor, definitely. It used to be pay-for, is now free, but the guy is updating it. It pulls Google results as you type, so you can get to the top three hits w/out ever seeing google.