THE REAL SCARFACE ALBUMS POLL, VOTE IN THIS IF YOU ARE NOT A POSEUR

there's probably an argument to be made for outkast but actually their 00's output kinda sucked

I know you didn't just say that about Stankonia.

stankonia is brilliant but that's turn of the decade and then..........

truth be told I like Idlewild.

truth be told I wanna rhyme like Common Sense.

did any other rapper manage the transition from the 90s to the 00's so well? probably helps that, like you said upthread a bit, he has always positioned himself as this veteran reflecting on street life. in some respects he's been making "old map rap" his entire career. xxp

― i feed these skreets (tpp), Sunday, September 19, 2010 12:42 PM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

not sure if artistically but jay didn't really become a superstar until the 00s....

also, e-40 has done good, quik, sean price, prodigy (to an extent)

― rawkan the chief (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, September 19, 2010 12:46 PM (9 hours ago)

nas, ghostface, ugk, etc

nas..really? ugk is a good call

i kinda always love nas being nas, like manny being manny

00s Nas > 90s Nas by a longshot

last real challopser alive, that's official^

haha if you take out illmatic it's close but yeah dude's been pretty consistent

90s: One dope album, three unlistenable shit albums
00s: Five pretty solid albums in a row

see i love it was written a TON (my challops is i like it almost as much as illmatic)

i personally can't stand a lot of nas' 00's output in particular that pseudo-historical/intellectual bullshit thing he does

yea but he mostly does that on his s/t and Stillmatic, and even then on the latter it doesn't comprise the entire album. Besides, even if he's misguided on many things, I admire him for at least reaching beyond the standard base rap topics.

(I still LOL at him for thinking William Cooper was some kind of martyr and not just a complete lunatic).

I haven't heard Nastradamus or I am, but I like It was Written a lot. Still, though, God's Son and Stillmatic are top notch for me, and I really like all of his 00's output, to varying degrees.

so I'd say it was a valid point.

his verse on 'in between us' is totally classic actually

iww is better than any album he's released since

It is underrated, that's for sure. I mean it did get critical recognition but gets hated on in way too many circles.

arguing about which of nas' albums post-illmatic is the least shit is a rap nerd argument that's gonna be going on when all of us are dead, isn't it?

this thread is bonkers.

agree w/100%:
I think Scarface's voice is at its most powerful on Diary

basically listened to the untouchable all weekend. the subtle production on it really reminds me of the angle chronic 2001 works. it's so smooth and laid back that it's easy to gloss over the details at first. but there's a lot of depth there and I feel like I hear new things each time I spin it. and it just sounds fucking classy as hell.

90s: One dope album, three unlistenable shit albums
00s: Five pretty solid albums in a row

― the perry bubble fell-off-ship (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, September 20, 2010 11:25 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is challop b.s.

it was written & i am >>>> anything in the 00s

I love it was written

alright it's hard to even call out deej when I think jordan is implying that nas hasn't had a good album since illmatic

one hot album every ten year average iirc

I've got this killer up inside of me
I can't talk to my mother, so I talk to my diary

face is so goth

i love it

alright it's hard to even call out deej when I think jordan is implying that nas hasn't had a good album since illmatic

― kellspolaris (k3vin k.), Monday, September 20, 2010 4:55 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark

um no i'm just tired of reading arguments about which nas albums are actually the bad ones

Last of a Dying Breed is sooooooooooo slept on.

yeah totally. obviously there's a high baseline of quality for pretty much all of his albums, but i think conventional wisdom about their relative quality could really stand to be reevaluated. The World Is Yours and The Untouchable are probably my favorites, Last of a Dying Breed totally doesn't deserve to be forgotten like it has, and The Diary kinda leaves me cold.

man Bun B guest in his prime.....miss that Bun

diary picks up something it needed in the s+c version, the regular one always seems a little too bright-sounding

poll results OTM

http://www.harpercollins.com/9780062302632/diary-of-a-madman

About the Book

From Geto Boys legend and renowned storyteller Scarface, comes a passionate memoir about how hip-hop changed the life of a kid from the south side of Houston, and how he rose to the top-and ushered in a new generation of rap dominance. 
Scarface is the celebrated rapper whose hits include "On My Block," "Mind Playing Tricks on Me" and "Damn It Feels Good to be a Gangsta" (made famous in the cult film Office Space). The former president of Def Jam South, he's collaborated with everyone from Kanye West, Ice Cube and Nas, and had many solo hits such as "Guess Who's Back" feat. Jay-Z and "Smile" feat. Tupac. But before that, he was a kid from Houston in love with rock-and-roll, listening to AC/DC and KISS.


In Diary of a Madman, Scarface shares how his world changed when he heard Run DMC for the first time; how he dropped out of school in the ninth grade and started selling crack; and how he began rapping as the new form of music made its way out of New York and across the country. It is the account of his rise to the heights of the rap world, as well as his battles with his own demons and depression. Passionately exploring and explaining the roots and influences of rap culture, Diary of a Madman is the story of hip-hop-the music, the business, the streets, and life on the south side Houston, Texas.



Cool, deej, I'll junp on board your "mixtapes ARE albums" bandwagon once we start letting them have a critical shelf life of longer than nine months unless it's lil wayne.

― kenanpolaris (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 18 September 2010 20:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

Lol

man the hissy fit in the middle of this thread is lol

scarface was on the nightly show the other night and he was ... odd. made a left-field analogy comparing the Baltimore water company and residents who can't pay their bills to hawks/squirrels, then refused to answer the "keep it 100" question. also wore a backpack the entire time.

<3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Czdg8e8UX4

jumping between reading "Diary of a Madman" and Dylan "Chronicles"

interesting that Face also considers the Fix his best album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8WQvmEjjN0

such a thrill in this day and age to suddenly stumble on an unexpected scarface guest verse

Scarface recently came very close to winning a Houston City Council seat, sadly losing in the runoff election.

face/run/off